It's not about Obama

[blindpig]

The man is doing his job in a responsible manner, it's just that he doesn't answer to you, me, or the rest of the great unwashed. The President of the United States answers to the great capitalists and their corporations. If capital is showing it's fangs more in this post Cold War world it's not his fault but he's got a job to do, a job that he accepted after vetting by said capitalists and filling positions of responsibility with their lackeys. McCain would be doing much the same with minor differences of nuance, emphasis and style.

Quit your bellyaching about the President, he is a mere functionary of the real enemy, Capitalism. Until you come to that conclusion none of it makes any sense, after you do it's all clear as spring water. Set your sights on the real enemy.

[leftstreet]

1. K&R

[ProSense]

2. "McCain would be doing much the same with minor differences of nuance, emphasis and style."

Too bad Democrats didn't stay home and allow McCain win and continue Bush's policies. It would have also given us a little more time to ensure the death of the real enemy: "Capitalism."

[leftstreet]

3. What do you mean?

It would have also given us a little more time to ensure the death of the real enemy: "Capitalism."

??

[ProSense]

6. You don't think McCain would have continued Bush's policies?

What's so hard to understand?

[leftstreet]

8. Yes, of course he would. I asked what you meant about capitalism

:shrug:

[Catshrink]

4. Gawd that's getting old.

I think you missed the point of the OP.

[ProSense]

7. No, I didn't n/t

[Catshrink]

9. ?

:shrug:

[blindpig]

13. Bush's policies, Obama's policies, Capitalism's policies. n/t

[Catshrink]

5. Exactly.

I posted something similar yesterday in a thread that got locked.

[obxhead]

10. Until he stands with us against capitalism he is the enemy as well then.

[Odin2005]

11. Economic Power is Political Power.

Democracy and Capitalism are incompatible. The State is merely the tool of who controls the means of productions.

[bobbolink]

12. I am nicely washed, thankyouverymuch, but I agree it isn't just about Obama.

While I think he could have done better by us, the fact is that its pretty clear all presidents now will be mere puppets.

We're screwed, and by the time most people "get it", people like me will be long gone.

Does it matter?

[cilla4progress]

15. that's the ticket, i think

"all presidents now will be mere puppets." i'm sure the wall st. theocracy / oligarchy / banksters put the fear of god into him that if he didn't do what they commanded he would preside over the downfall of america...our free, capitalist way of life.

let it fall! sooner the better...then we can cleaning up!

[Angry Dragon]

17. +1000

And they all fall down

[CrispyQ]

16. Sadly, this is the state of American compassion today:

[cilla4progress]

20. Yes - and they aren't even

ASHAMED of it any more!

[bobbolink]

23. And "they" are also right here at DU and in the Congress with "D" behind their names.

[cilla4progress]

25. Manchin, Webb, Nelson, Lieberman?

[bobbolink]

27. Closer to home.

[bobbolink]

22. Being the recipient of this attitude, I am well aware of it.

However, it isn't just "them"... this is also a prominent attitude right here in River City.

Thanks for posting that.... It reminds me of Grayson.. saying it how it really is. It is time we say it bluntly. It gets us nailholes, but it is the only thing left to do.

[Starry Messenger]

14. Agreed.

Hard not to personalize it when it's your ox getting gored though. Some people are only just realizing that they don't have a special dispensation from fate to opt out of Capitalism's downside.

[CrispyQ]

18. Spot on post.

The dems throw us a few more crumbs than the repubs do, but they are still seated at the banquet & not about to fight for the little people if it jeopardizes their spot at the table. I believe the biggest difference between the dems & repubs is that the dems are happy to be at the table, even in the capacity of the 'opposition' party. The repubs want to be top dog all the time.

I would like to add, that I don't see how we can implement change through our compromised & corrupt electoral system. Obviously, too many of our elected representatives benefit from this system, so we can't count on them to address the issue. Also, the largest voting segment in the country is the non-voters. They don't give a shit about this issue. Where does that leave us?

k&r

[inna]

19. yep. obsessing about Obama is completely counterproductive.

it's so NOT about Obama that it's not even funny; the problem is clearly systemic; it's amazing that people get so distracted by meaningless personality politics.

[xchrom]

21. except that at this moment -- he is the vehicle of delivery.

his pen signs HIR into law, etc.

[Hannah Bell]

24. kr

[amborin]

26. agreed, except for the second paragraph

where you seem to subscribe to an apolitical, deterministic interpretation of Capitalism ( with a capital c, the inexorable force) that admits no contingences, no room for politics.

imho, Poulantzas and other Marxists who allowed for these contingencies, for the relative autonomy of the state and the relative autonomy of politics, more broadly, have it right;