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KingOfLostSouls Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 01:04 PM
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FACT!!! Most Of The Super Wealthy DO NOT Pay Top Rate
most, after deductions and loopholes figure in, do not even pay the top percentage.



they pay LESS. warren buffett pays about 14% or less.


and corporate tax rates? Goldman-Sachs had an effective tax rate of 1% in 2008.



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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 01:08 PM
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1. We pay approx 20%
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 01:32 PM
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2. They think everyone is where they are suppose to be.
Edited on Sat Dec-04-10 01:35 PM by RandomThoughts
In truth, people can be anywhere and find a way to contribute if they want. And any contribution can find a way to be done by someone. Although the degrees of hardship on people, individually and as groups can change. The great depression probably didn't need a dust bowl in the Midwest, and a world war to have some correction to it, but that was the path that ended up happening, I would guess it could have been corrected other ways with far less hardship. I also would guess that nuke development was added into Einstein to match that time frame, since if that tech had occurred during peace, the first use would have been many of them stockpiled.

Born into privileged is a self congratulatory delusion to justify status quo, really old concept, I proved it not true for myself by not being in some places that it was obvious I could have gone to, although the reasons were for self gain. And had the price of learning to be mean without any explanation.

I still end up doing something, not sure what it all means, but this is how I think of it.


Lets say to make something good happen, someone needs a meal given to them. Someone somewhere can be found to get that meal to that person, so if you are the person that does or doesn't help someone, it is still pretty easy to have it there, since there are many other people that can do that. I figure if some rich guy gets to some place, or some poor person, and they are able to do something, and willing, a way is found for them.

The question is did they get to that place to do something, or did they do it because they were in that place.

If anyone has noticed a pattern, and think it means each person was destine to be part of a pattern, maybe the pattern occurs with those willing to be in some place to help people. And if something bad has to happen, it is possible someone will be in that place, because they would be willing to do it, but would that mean they are doing God's work, or while they aren't, God can still find some use for them while there, it does not mean they know what his plan is, nor do they know if they are there because they are better, or because while there even if worse, they are able to do something.

In other words, it is really easy to excuse people with the 'everyone in their place' comment, but it might be that does not excuse what they choose to do. Or if you are mean, and that works into some bigger picture, it might be that it was known that is how you are, so you fit into that pattern, it does not mean it is an excuse for being that way. If you had chosen to be nice, some other pattern might have reached the same result.

In other words, there are millions of ways to assemble things that would have the same outcome, that is how the delusion of no free will is broken, and how fate and free will can exist at the same time. Although some don't see that and have difficulties with understanding that fate and free will coexist together.

Although the idea of delivering a meal to one person is a small victory, if nobody was found to do it, it might be that the fix would encompass a larger time line, to still end up with more people helped later. So if some system did pretty good at lessening hardship and education on those topics, it would do that, but if nobody would help some area, then it could require a compensating change that in short term adds difficulty, to make less difficulty in a longer frame of things.

But of coarse that is all guesses from observations, and there are lots of other possibilities. heh, other possibilities that would create the same result :)


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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 02:48 PM
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3. And the $250,000
they are saying is gross income - before deductions and loopholes.
Media keeps letting them get away with it.
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