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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:52 PM
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Why can't Obama just say "I will VETO any bill that does not extend Middle Class Tax Cuts.....
and raises taxes on those making over $250,000 a year."

And then daily talk about how the GOP is preventing the middle class from getting tax cuts.

Why would that not work?



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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:55 PM
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1. It could work. Especially if he got the rest of the Dem leaders
to join. Put the repukes on the defensive.
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:56 PM
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4. This would require
both unity of purpose and intestinal fortitude from the White House and Congressional Democrats.

Next.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:55 PM
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2. that would require guts
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:56 PM
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3. and backbone, too.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:56 PM
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5. let's just say, it will never happen
:(
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:56 PM
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6. both of which seem to be in short supply in the WH
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Shining Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:58 PM
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7. +1 n/t
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 09:24 PM
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30. LOL !!!
Yep

:shrug:

:hi:
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potpolpilot Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:58 PM
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8. He's not that clever. He wants people to like him. But basically it's
apparent he doesn't have strong beliefs...about just about anything. Healthcare as a right...not really important...Illegal occupations of other countries...not that important...overt sexual orientation bias....not that important..
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knotwurstforware Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:00 PM
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9. I just dont understand
why Obama continues to play naively with a nest of vipers. The Republicans will continue to shit on him and yet he wants to try and shake their hands. Why?
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:02 PM
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10. That would require honesty and integrity!
The idea that was presented to us... " we will give up anything and bow to anyone to get "tax cuts" for the middle class" is and was always cover theatrics to give into the deal that was already a given...tax cuts for the wealthy. Our President sold out long ago. It is all theatrics.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:14 PM
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11. That would work. Americans would support that, somewhere I read here that most
Americans do not support the republican plan. This would be a winner for the Democrats.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:21 PM
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15. True. They don't like the GOP plan. But the plan they support least is what we would get...
Edited on Sun Dec-05-10 08:23 PM by jefferson_dem
if Obama draws that phony line in the sand - that is, no extension at all...tax cuts increasing for the middle class. That would be devastaing in terms of policy and politics.

See this -

http://www.gallup.com/poll/144989/vast-majority-wants-aspect-bush-tax-cuts-extended.aspx
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:18 PM
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12. Because that shit wouldn't fly. Plus it would be counter-productive.
If this is a poker game, Obama/Dems are holding a pair of tens. Everybody knows that. Pretending he has a royal flush would be stupid. And nobody would buy the bluff. He/We would get nothing.
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:26 PM
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17. And what is the downside?
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:58 PM
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22. The Downside is Getting Blamed for Taxes Going Up, Resulting in Repiglickin Sweep in 2012
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 09:12 PM
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26. And extend them for the rich and lose the Dems also.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 11:55 PM
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33. That sounds like the same sort of "conventional wisdom" that has been getting us into trouble.
Call their bluff. The sky will not fall.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 09:17 PM
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27. Here.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:19 PM
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13. Because the rich get a tax cut too, for the first quarter of a million dollars they earn.
So, it's not really a "middle class" tax cut.
Everyone gets a tax cut under the Democrat's plan.

I think we should start taxing churches.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:19 PM
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14. Ahahahahahaha!!!!!
Oh, man. That's funny. Not the idea, I'm sure it would work. The very idea he'd do that. Lordy, that's a good one.
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:23 PM
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16. He ought to veto any bill that extends the middle class and wealthy tax cuts.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:26 PM
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18. Why would he need to say that?
Edited on Sun Dec-05-10 08:27 PM by ProSense
It's not like saying that is going to stop the Republicans from blocking the middle-class tax cuts. Democrats decided to have a vote on his middle-class tax cuts on Saturday, and it failed. Anything that reaches the President's desk now will likely be the compromise he worked out.

Some people, a minority, want all the tax cuts to expire. That is not the President's goal, and the majority of Americans seem to agree with him.


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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:28 PM
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19. Because he needs to make this a big deal! A major stand!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 09:03 PM
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23. What do you think is going to be the compromise?
What's he going to be threatening to veto?

Do you simply want him to make an empty threat?

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 09:06 PM
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24. OK, I read the OP wrong
It doesn't mention the tax cuts for the rich. I see you want him to issue the veto threat for the middle-class tax cuts.

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Travis_0004 Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:52 PM
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20. Imagine if a bill was passed extending tax cuts for everybody, and obama vetos it.
Then everybody would be pissed at Obama.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:55 PM
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21. Apparently. we have a deficit that MUST BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY
so, fuck it. Let all the cuts expire.

Enough, already.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 09:21 PM
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29. But only th emiddle class and the poor are being held accountable for that deficit.
Not anyone who could actually afford it....
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 11:54 PM
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32. That's what I'm saying.
If the GOP is going to have a conniption, fine. The cuts will expire automatically. Taxes will revert to Clinton era levels.

The economy did just fine under Clinton.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 09:10 PM
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25. Because republicans don't fucking care!
They are willing to screw over everybody for the sake of helping a few millionares, and couldn't care less about what damage they do to the economy or the lives of american citizens because in the end everyone will blame Obama. End of story.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 09:19 PM
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28. I would work.. It should have been done months ago..
I am at a loss to even begin to understand wtf is going on in the White House
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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 09:39 PM
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31. He CAN.
But he won't.
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