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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:42 AM
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The Rude Pundit: Another Day, Another Democratic Capitulation
Here we are again, at the edge of another great capitulation. If you liked the capitulations on health care and the stimulus, you're gonna love the one this time on tax cuts. President Barack Obama is about to compromise away allowing the tax cuts on the rich to expire in order to get shit done that should be done anyways, like the START treaty approval. At some point, at some goddamn ephemeral point in this awful time we're being forced to live through by the right, this rigged game of Texas hold 'em we're playing at gunpoint, you gotta stop folding every hand you have. You gotta at least ante up to see what the next cards are.

This time, the Democrats had a pair of aces, man. The polls back the rollback of tax rates to their 1990s level on income over $250,000. Fuck, a CNN poll had only 46% of Republicans supporting tax cuts for the wealthy. And the end of the tax cuts was one of the central tenets of Obama's campaign. To put it simply, it's one of the reasons he got elected: because he said that the only responsible thing to do for the economy was to allow the tax cuts to expire so that we can pay for shit that we need.

Here's speeches he made fucking everywhere on the matter:

November 3, 2008 in Jacksonville, Florida: "I will give a tax break to 95% of Americans who work every day and get taxes taken out of their paychecks every week. And I'll help pay for this by asking the folks who are making more than $250,000 a year to go back to the tax rate they were paying in the 1990s."

October 21, 2008 in Miami: "It's true that I want to roll back the Bush tax cuts on the wealthiest Americans and go back to the rate they paid under Bill Clinton. John McCain calls that socialism. What he forgets is that just a few years ago, he himself said those Bush tax cuts were irresponsible."

October 10, 2008 in Chillicothe, Ohio: I'll give a middle-class tax cut to 95% of all workers. And if you make less than $250,000 a year - which includes 98 percent of small business owners - you won't see your taxes increase one single dime."

October 5, 2008 in Asheville, North Carolina: "I'll cover that remaining cost with a portion of the money I'll save by ending George Bush's tax breaks for people making more than $250,000 a year. They'll go back to paying the kind of rates they paid when Bill Clinton was President. So we'll get this done responsibly without blowing a hole in our deficit."

September 18, 2008 in Espanola, New Mexico: "I will cut taxes - cut taxes - for 95% of all working families. My opponent doesn't want you to know this, but under my plan, tax rates will actually be less than they were under Ronald Reagan. If you make less than $250,000 a year, you will not see your taxes increase one single dime."

(To be fair, when that was his campaign line, he wasn't promising to let the Bush tax cuts expire on the wealthiest Americans' income over $250,000. But he was far more explicit before and after.)

July 30, 2008 in Springfield, Missouri: "I'll pay for my plan - by cutting wasteful spending, shutting corporate loopholes and tax havens, and rolling back the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans."

This may be one of the last chances the Democrats have to blame Bush successfully. Remember: Republicans voted to raise your taxes at the end of 2010. George W. Bush signed that into law. That's a fact. That's history. Anything that's done now is something new.

The President should call the Republicans' bluff. Say he'll veto anything that includes a tax cut for millionaires. And the Rude Pundit doesn't want to hear the bullshit about "What are you going to do about unemployment benefits?" If you make that argument, you are playing with the Republicans' loaded deck. They are the ones who tied the two together (and added in START and DADT). Make them hold up the extension of unemployment checks in order to secure tax cuts for Donald Trump. And, frankly, why should Democrats trust that Republicans would keep any word on a deal? Anyone who pretends that the GOP negotiates with honor or good will is a fucking idiot. Goddamnit, at the very least, make them have to decide whether or not to raise, check, or fold. Don't cede the pot on the deal every time.

(Note: The most pathetic thing? Even with the grand capitulation about to happen, the White House hasn't framed it right. The "Bush tax cuts" are over at the end of the month. Any tax cuts that the President signs on to ought to rightly be called the "Obama tax cuts." But even that slight bit of marketing eludes the messaging buffoons in this administration.)

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:44 AM
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1. It is sad that people just don't get how the system works
It has to be a consensus - it is not "capitulation" to come to a consensus. We have this system so that no one person will have all of the power.

This is sad, really, to keep calling not getting everything they want "capitulation." Only a king gets everything he wants. We've outgrown that.

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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:47 AM
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2. So it's "consensus" when the Radical RW gets everything THEY want?
Ahhh. That tells me a lot.

NGU.

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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:49 AM
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3. Ummmm. Are you missing
a sarcasm thing?
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:52 AM
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4. Then you are saying the Obama that campaigned was childish
and was quite unprepared for reality. Either way we did not get what we voted for...As a politician that actually worked in the US Senate, I believe Obama knew exactly what he was promising..He is now demonstrating his promises are meaningless..
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 03:17 PM
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18. Well said. nt
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:56 AM
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5. Excellent comment.
Edited on Mon Dec-06-10 12:34 PM by RandomThoughts
It is part of the progression, basically there is a saying that those that realize they can live in joy, without helping someone, have outgrown the need to help people. Because they figure if it should be done God will do it. From that they can feel like they can do what ever they want, then that leads to the world being in charge of the world, and if things are to get better some person must do something about it, since any concept of listening to anything spiritual is ignored.

For them, that is their view of destroying the ring of power, where concepts of after life become unknowable, so while not listening, people live as they think best based on who they are.

However bad can take advantage of that, and create survival of the fittest or do what ever you want, which is the doctrine of the 'evil' side (but that trap is that they think there is nothing evil or no shame from burning of conscious, not from feeling, 'a bag of bricks to be set down', in a movie, so they accept it.)(other side view of destroying ring of power), and where many that get advantage in positions of influence end up if they agree to not care and think everyone is where they should be, or if they think such things are not any of there concern, although knowing that it is easy to move those groups.

I heard that doctrine also, and it is after the false king stuff, never understood why someone would think themselves a king, there are levels beyond that, being alive for instance, I learned that in first few months years ago, and got past that part.

It is part of "what does God need with a space ship."

On a side note, why would someone ever want to be a king? Only if they can think some should be their peasants, so there has to be an explanation for that, something like the world running the world, and people if able to take it should have it, does that effectively, so concepts of world while ignoring everything of spirit, can create explanations of how people accept 'being a king', and why it is something many do not accept.

That is why some say God is dead, why aesthetic ideas were attached to my comments that were repeated on another site, because they feel they can steal without consequence. They believe if they can kill God in their hearts, the idea spoken about in many places, they can do what ever they want, and they think those that care will hurt, but they think they will not feel any hurt by being a burn out. The idea of complete burn out.

Although there is a paradox there also, that creates eternity of no correction, the paradox is based on is the burn out complete, can heaven let them end? To solve that paradox, that is done when you know a burn out does not exist, although very dangerous since many that are not burn outs some think they are burn outs.



Basically if you can ignore the spiritual, and thought of there being a consequence and conscious, and accept the world is not fair, you can be mean to people pretty easy, and use various things to justify it. It is burning of conscious, not creating conscious. And a complete burnout can only be lost if they do not exist, and if they have none of the spark left and are only an extension of something else then they don't exist,

and old soldiers fade away.

Hence how some can be lost without any lost. Or why it says the only one lost is the son of perdition or the one that kills Christ, because the killing of conscious and love in your heart, is the only way to stop existing, and all that do that are a single thing in a hierarchy, and does not exist as a person of life, but only an extension of something else.

Why also healing the soul, mind, body, and heart, brings them back up, it all fits together.





Although posted about all that stuff years ago, and not something I choose to do or be, hence why when behind enemy lines, not much beer and travel money.

And I am still due beer and travel money and many experiences :D Figure that part out, they will say it is where I am suppose to be.

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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:59 AM
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7. treestar...you are sad...
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 12:44 PM
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12. Capitulation is not concensus, true. This is capitulation.
You think this is that we're not getting "everything we want"? List all the things we are getting and how they will reduce the deficit?
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 12:47 PM
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13. bad leadership is sad too
were still under republican rule even with a majority but then some people think thats awsome.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 03:16 PM
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17. It's sad the way you are so willing to defend corruption and the greediest of Plutocrats
while pissing on the rest of us. In case you've yet to notice: your spin no longer works here.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 10:53 PM
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21. "Only a king gets everything he wants." Shrub was a king? n/t
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:59 AM
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6. Kick and Rec!
To the moon Alice.
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 12:03 PM
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8. Whiplash I tell you. nt
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 12:10 PM
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9. Same shit every day
"Happiness is surrender"
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 12:32 PM
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10. Where is the "Obama's only doing what he said on the campaign trail" chorus?
That chorus who claims -- if we'd but listened carefully -- he didn't really promise to be a "progressive" or an actual "reformer" or anything...

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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 12:40 PM
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11. This time they have a pair of aces? The public option was also a pair of aces ...
... and they folded then too.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 12:50 PM
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15. On most issues we're ace-rich. That's what's so damn infuriating.
NGU.

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 12:50 PM
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14. And, they wonder why 40% of the people no longer bother to vote.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:34 AM
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22. I'm wondering why I bother.
Same shit different initial.
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FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 01:10 PM
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16. "Anyone who pretends that the GOP negotiates...
...with honor or good will is a fucking idiot." Pitch-perfect. Thanks Rude.

:thumbsup:
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 10:46 PM
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19. +1
eom
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:39 AM
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25. I wonder who he could be talking about. I am not allowed to name him, but I wonder.
Hmmm...who could it be?
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 10:53 PM
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20. "Anyone who pretends that the GOP negotiates with good will or honor is a fucking idiot."
+1
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:37 AM
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23. recommend
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:38 AM
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24. The best part is when they try to sell it as a victory and say it's good for us.
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 07:37 PM
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26. kick
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