WillyT
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Mon Dec-06-10 07:45 PM
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We Wanted FDR, We Got Neville Chamberlain |
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Peace in our time. Ah well... :shrug:
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Mon Dec-06-10 07:46 PM
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1. The analogy is apt, of course. |
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But a similar thread was deleted a bit ago, so I guess pointing out the obvious is verboten.
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Mon Dec-06-10 07:50 PM
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2. What good does it to to disappear threads? It doesn't make the sentiments go away. |
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I'm perplexed as to what that's supposed to accomplish. I think it's very dangerous not to let the Democratic Party staffers see how people feel.
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Mon Dec-06-10 07:53 PM
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4. And See, I Think It's Constructive To Point Out Our Displeasure... |
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Otherwise, how will they know their way back to forgiveness... and votes in 2012?
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Mon Dec-06-10 11:05 PM
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Yeep yeep uhuh. Seems pretty silly not to allow our disgust about this be seen. We need to let them know exactly how we feel, Here and on the phone, emails, letters.
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Mon Dec-06-10 07:53 PM
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Chamberlain was merely a fool.
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Mon Dec-06-10 08:24 PM
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Mon Dec-06-10 07:58 PM
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5. I have been saying that in private |
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Mon Dec-06-10 08:13 PM
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6. Nope, we wanted Superman |
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But we got Super Chicken instead!
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Mon Dec-06-10 08:17 PM
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7. No you wanted a liberal version of George W. Bush nt |
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Mon Dec-06-10 08:18 PM
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8. That Makes Absolutely NO Sense |
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Mon Dec-06-10 08:57 PM
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18. someone who went to the mat to advance their ideas and made the other guys compromise? |
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and Obama wouldn't have to go the extreme of breaking the law or committing war crimes to get there, just take some political risks, be willing to lose some issues, and play to the limit (but within) the rules.
Is that really so hard to understand?
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Mon Dec-06-10 10:51 PM
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28. Someone who would act like a dictator. nt |
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Mon Dec-06-10 08:57 PM
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17. We got the neo-liberal version. n/t |
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Mon Dec-06-10 08:18 PM
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9. Chamberlain didn't use |
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a Teleprompter.
Otherwise, I agree with you.
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Mon Dec-06-10 08:28 PM
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11. Because agreeing to a compromise regarding tax policy is JUST LIKE appeasing a genocidal dictator, |
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Mon Dec-06-10 08:29 PM
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12. No, but it's analogous. nt |
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Mon Dec-06-10 08:32 PM
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13. Not Too Familiar With The Evolution Of Fascism I See... |
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Mon Dec-06-10 08:40 PM
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14. Translation: "Course it's not, but the title is eye-catching & the Godwin thing is good for Recs." |
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Mon Dec-06-10 08:49 PM
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15. It IS Eye-Catching... Isn't It ??? |
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The evolution of Fascism has more to do with Mussolini that with Hitler.
But that wasn't your point was it?
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Mon Dec-06-10 08:55 PM
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16. Worse. Actually, Chamberlain had.... |
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no negotiating power. Germany had re-armed and the Brits were standing there in their skivvies.
Pres. Obama, on the other hand, has majorities and political capital.
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Mon Dec-06-10 09:00 PM
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19. We needed a Ulysses Grant and got a George B. McClellan |
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Grant only knew how to fight and move forward against his enemy. McClellan had too much sympathy for the Confederacy and wouldn't fight. I hope someday we get our Grant.
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Mon Dec-06-10 09:01 PM
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20. You wanted someone who interred 120,000 of your fellow Americans?... |
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How would that bit of "progressive" governing have gone over today?
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Mon Dec-06-10 09:07 PM
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21. Yeah, And Andrew Jackson Murdered Millions Of Native Americans, And Obama Is... |
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currently blowing the shit out of innocent Pakistanis and spying on, and threatening assassination of, Americans...
Your point?
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Disingenuous bullshit, and you know it.
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Mon Dec-06-10 09:27 PM
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22. FDR was very good at the art of compromise and of making deals |
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Mon Dec-06-10 09:33 PM
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23. There's a difference between compromise and capitulation. |
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Mon Dec-06-10 10:07 PM
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25. Depends on how one views the issue |
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Civil Rights leaders may well have thought that FDR capitulated on civil rights all together when he ignored the issue in order to retain the support of the Southern Democrats who controlled the Senate for his economic programs. For those who believed FDR's New Deal kept the nation from descending into anarchy, this may have been viewed as a distasteful but necessary compromise.
Others questioned FDR's signing off on the agreement to allow Stalin's Soviet Union to retain control of Eastern Europe which basically passed of the people of that region from the control of one murderous despot (Hitler) to another (Stalin). Others have pointed out though that such a deal kept Stalin with the Allies when he may have gone ahead and made a separate peace with Nazi Germany.
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Mon Dec-06-10 10:08 PM
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26. This was not compromise |
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it hasn't been about compromise.
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Mon Dec-06-10 10:48 PM
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Mon Dec-06-10 09:34 PM
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24. Couldn't agree more WillyT |
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I've said the same thing myself a few times... Though I'm starting to think Chamberlain may have had more of a spine.
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Tue Dec-07-10 02:46 PM
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30. More like FDR than we care to think about |
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FDR came to be seen as an enemy to the interests of the people who put him in power.
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