So In The End... Obama's Deal Sells Out Half The Unemployed So The Rich Get Their Way ???

[WillyT]

Do I have that right???

Link: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6090804/even_with_unemployment_extensions_4.html?cat=3

:puke:

[KILL THE WISE ONE]

1. yup .... the unemployment extension does not even last as long as the tax cut

[WillyT]

2. So How Was Obama Held Hostage Over The Unemployed ???

If he was gonna screw 'em over anyway, why not fight the bastards?

:shrug:

[jefferson_dem]

3. Nope. You don't have that right. Curious: What do you say about those who want to sell out ...

the unemployed IN FULL...by opposing this deal and, therefore, ensuring there will be no UI extension at all?

[WillyT]

7. Ok... Ya Got Me... They Save UI For 2 Million (for 13 months), And Let 4 Million Go Homeless...

There... is that better?

:shrug:

[glitch]

12. Slasher kabuki.

A new genre for a new uniquely american century.

[JamesA1102]

28. No Unemployment benefits were extended for over 6 Million

[WillyT]

30. I'm Not Exactly Sure What You Mean, But No...

That chart goes with this story, and it's entitled:

4 Million Americans Set To Lose Unemployment Benefits Even If Congress Passes Extension (CHART)

Chart here:



Story here:

Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/03/unemployment-benefits-99ers-obama_n_791682.html

:shrug:

[JamesA1102]

31. But 6.7 million have it extended for a year.

You were claiming that the extention only benefited 2 million.

[WillyT]

34. No Man (Not Trying To BAD Here), But...

Listen to the President's remarks... he spoke of 2 Million of the Unemployed getting Benefits for the next 13 months. That takes us into 2012.

The people on the chart, are those that will lose their benefits over 2011:

A senior administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said the White House is now focused on trying to persuade Congress to reauthorize the existing emergency unemployment program, which would protect 6.7 million unemployed workers from losing their checks over the next year. (See the below chart from the CEA's report.)



Given that even this goal is now uncertain, seeking yet another program for the four million jobless people at risk of exhausting emergency assistance seems futile, the official said.

That's why I kept thinking, "Huh?" every time he mentioned 2 Million Unemployed. I thought, that number's not right. Now I understand.

:shrug:

[JamesA1102]

36. I don't remember what the President said

but the chart seems pretty clear and goes through November of 2011. And since we're still in 2010 a 13 month extention only goes to January of 2012.

[LooseWilly]

11. I say make the Republicans Do It On National TV.

Plenty of the unemployed are Republicans.

And: If they Do do it, use the increased revenue from the rich to just fucking hire them working for the Federal Government... it's a better use of the money anyway.

There, I developed a better set of policies and contingencies in five minutes than the White House... You're Welcome. ;)

[JamesA1102]

26. Well said nt

[whatchamacallit]

4. The crisis for this "compromise" has bipartisan engineering written all over it. (nt)

[glitch]

10. Bipartisan implies working with Dems too.

We're past that now.

[lonestarnot]

15. bwwwwwwwwwa ha ha ha ha

:rofl:

[LooseWilly]

5. That would be a yes- you are correct.

Obama is selling out the budget to save some of the unemployed... which will probably be a good thing for all the government employees that he will have to fire to finance the extension of tax cuts for the rich.

It's known as a win-win, in foldy-town. :)

[FrenchieCat]

6. SO in the end, WillyT,

Were you willing to sell out the unemployed at full force,
just so the rich didn't get their way?
Was that the way your priority was ordered?

And if so, why is your "full sell out" a better position?

Are you now "Concerned" about the deficit, like the Republicans?

[WillyT]

13. Let Me Tell You About Numbers And Principle...

A guy says to an attractive lady, "Would you sleep with me for 10 million dollars?

The lady frowns, but says, "I don't know... I'd have to think about that."

Then the guy says, "Would you sleep with me for 10 dollars?"

The lady, visibly upset says, "Sir, what kind of a woman do you take me for ?"

The man then says, "I know what kind of a woman you are, we're just negotiating price."

So... It would have been OK with you if he had saved 500,000 Unemployed, but let 5.5 million go?

I mean c'mon... he saved UI for 500,000 !!!

See how that works... or doesn't?

:shrug:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. deleted

i'm too tired to fashion a cogent response.

[WillyT]

27. Well Then... You Have Principles...

Congratulations!

:shrug:

[LooseWilly]

14. The extension for tax cuts for the rich will cost more than the unemployment... so

how about Obama gets creative, calls the Republicans, and then— if they DO cut the unemployment... Obama can just open an executive department Office of Hiring the Unemployed... and let those culled from the unemployment rolls come and apply for jobs... ?? Batta Boom, Botta Bing— unemployed still get their monies and the Federal Budget winds up in better shape than before.

Problem solved. ;)

(Or, Captain Capitulation can carry on his campaign of Crumblation...)

[WillyT]

20. I Like That One A Lot !!!

Take the money from the expired tax cuts and use it to fund Direct Government Jobs.

That would TOTALLY piss off the GOP... and make me a happy man, while providing good paying well-benefited jobs, and stimulating the economy.

Genius!

:hi:

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

8. So in thirteen months, the Republicans will say...

...in exchange for privatizing SS, we will let you eat cake.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

9. So in thirteen months, the Republicans will say...

...in exchange for privatizing SS, we will let you eat cake.

[ProSense]

16. So people are advocating for and against the deal?

If this deal is killed the other half are sold out too. If this gets push to the next Congress, the Republican-controlled House will have no problem leaving unemployment benefits by the wayside.

Can't have it both ways. The deal isn't done yet, and maybe the House and Senate can expand on the terms.

[LooseWilly]

17. I'm sure you will be all for the deal, whatever its terms may be.

Whatever it may be, it will be the best that it could ever have been, so it will be worth supporting, because it is as good as it gets, because that's all it is, or ever could have been...?

Wow, you will be right when it is time to be right, as you are always right, because to be other than right is to be disloyal... and that you are not, because it would not be right.

Right?

[Greyhound]

21. Nailed that one, for sure. n/t

[ProSense]

35. I'm for it now,

good guess. The tax cuts for the rich suck, but unless Democrats can get a better package through the Senate, these are the breaks.

[WCGreen]

18. They are getting a 13 month extension...

[WillyT]

19. Not The 99ers That Expired Nov. 30th... Just The 2 Million Currently In Extension...

:shrug:

[treestar]

22. No.

[Statistical]

23. Nope. You don't have it right. n/t

[WillyT]

24. Really... What About The 99ers ???

:shrug:

[Individualist]

29. Yes, you have it right.

[neverforget]

32. And best of all, we get to do this shit AGAIN in 2 years!!!!

But the UE people, you only get 1 year. Who knows what the Republicans will extort from Obama and the Dems next year and the year after.

[PufPuf23]

33. Arithmatic.

$1.4 trillion ($700 billion per year) tax relief for the wealthiest in return for $18 billion over one year for some of the the long term unemployed. The tax savings will be hoarded and used to buy distressed assets under rational management.

Great deal. Sarcasm smilie here.

I have never received unemployment, social security, etc in 58 years but have no work and my health is not good and insurance for me has not been affordable since a 2001 divorce. At least I have little debt -- only a payment system for a unexpected hospitalization Spring 2010 without insurance -- because my business bank called my credit line (with nothing in arrears but causing cascading credit problems)in 2007 and I cashed out my stable business in response to get to zero debt.

Obama's economic policies are for Wall Street, Globalists, and the safely wealthy.