Any Obama supporters left here? I am one.

[panader0]

I've heard the "sky is falling". I've heard "I'm done." I've heard so much here tonight that I'm sure DU will have less than half it's members by tomorrow. I'm still a Democrat. I'm not happy with all the deals, but I don't think I know all of the difficulties in getting things done. Is Obama a wimp as so many here think? Or a just and intelligent man getting the best deal he can in a bad situation. The President doesn't do all this shit by his/her self. There are Senators and Reps that influence the deal. Do people here at DU really believe that Obama is a Manchurian/Republican President?

[jefferson_dem]

1. Sure.

:hi:

[panader0]

5. Well, that's one.

[Parker CA]

2. Very disappointed, but never giving up. There's no alternative at this point, so I'll move forward.

[applegrove]

48. +100

[Hello_Kitty]

3. Fair enough.

I just don't want to hear "the deficit" used as an excuse by any of you to defend future austerity measures pushed by this admin.

[MadMaddie]

4. Yep! Right there with you!

[Goldstein1984]

6. Not in this family

But he didn't disappoint me. He did what I've come to expect--compromised from an already compromised position.

[Ruby the Liberal]

7. Ask me in a week. Or February.

[TheWraith]

8. Right over here.

Wondering what I'm doing here, with the way DU is going, but very reluctant to be chased out by 15% of the party.

But yeah, what you say is true. Some people simply WANT to believe the worst: that Obama can do any damn thing he pleases, so therefore when we get kneecapped by the filibuster, or by must-pass unemployment benefits, that it's somehow all his fault, and he planned it this way, because he's a FUCKING EVIL GENIUS WIZARD.

Nevermind that even Bush, with lockstep Republican majorities for six years, didn't get even close to everything he wanted, over top of a lot less competent opposition.

[SharonRB]

9. I'm with you

Although I know we're in the minority around here.

[one_voice]

10. I'm here...

don't always agree with Obama. I get angry as well, but I still support him.

:hi:

[Monique1]

15. I support Obama but

I'm ready to hang up politics not because of Obama but because of those who are so negative here. I don't need to have all this negative in my life. There is nothing much positive or hope here.

[sammytko]

37. so agree with you. Some of these people blow big chunks of doodoo!

[CakeGrrl]

11. I'm here

And I'd bet more than a few DUers are comforting themselves by convincing themselves that Obama is a Republican plant. :crazy:

As for people being "done" with the President, I doubt that will stop those who have stated it over and over from continuing to post. They'll be back proclaiming their "doneness" and disgust every time the administration makes a move.

It's kind of like people announcing they're leaving a forum. I see it on just about every message board I've visited, and most times it never sticks - even when you really want them to make good on it. ;-)

Maybe things will become interesting if this massive coalescence around a mystery primary contender ever comes to fruition. So far, all I've seen is a lot of knocking on the doors of the favorite names, but those doors have already been closed.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

12. the other option sux

[msongs]

13. well he IS better than mcCain lol nt

[Kadie]

19. You can say that again.

;)

[LooseWilly]

40. Heh... for a second I mistook your "nt" for a "not" ...

Can one make Freudian slips while reading, as well as speaking?...

[msongs]

14. well he IS better than mcCain lol nt

[rhett o rick]

80. McIdiot was never really in the picture. He and Palin were token opponents to allow Obama to win.

This isnt that wild a strategy. Let the Democrats win and then prove how hapless they really are. America will welcome Jeb Bush in 2012 with open arms.

[TBF]

86. Much more effective than McCain in any event - I think TPTB got exactly who they wanted

and he is doing a bang up job for him. Unfortunately our interests don't jive with that of the billionaires running the show.

[msongs]

16. well he IS better than mcCain lol nt

[Amerigo Vespucci]

17. A supporter, but not an unconditional supporter.

He's the man, for the next two years. He could surprise everyone, he could keep going down the path he's on right now, he could do all kinds of things. But he's got the job, and as such, I support him.

I have a friend who agrees with your statement "The President doesn't do all this shit by his/her self." He voices that sentiment on a regular basis, although not in those exact words.

Part of the challenge I see is that many of the people who voted for Obama sold themselves on a version of the man that just does not reflect reality.

Of course, Obama himself helped sell that image...that's what got him elected.

So for the next four years, we can see the man behind the image or the image in front of the man...our choice.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

18. you can't keep recs with pro-Obama OPs here. too many freepers

[TexasObserver]

23. It's not freepers. It's lifelong Democrats.

Your denial notwithstanding.

[HuckleB]

60. I doubt it.

[TexasObserver]

71. Then you're in denial. Skinner has busted that myth.

[mitchtv]

27. long time liberal DEM

unrecc for childish freeper comment

[Catherina]

30. Fool yourself at your own risk n/t

[Mimosa]

34. "He could surprise everyone"..IF ONLY. This is what McCain would have done!

I wish I were surprised. Now we know what the McCain Presidency would have been like. Not much different.

No end to the wars, no significant regulations for banks, 'health care reform' = Romneycare, Republican'ts get what they want....

Anything more?

[Kaleva]

47. According to skinner, actual freepers are just a small problem here.

In another post he made in the Ask the Admin subforum, he says there are "jerks" who profess to have liberal Dem and/or progressive credentials but add nothing to constructive debate and that DU will be getting rid of those "jerks"

[Number23]

58. He also referred to "prigressives" which made me lmao.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=437&topic_id=1126&mesg_id=1134

He eventually changed it to "progressives" but I actually think that "prigressives" is far more apt for many, MANY posters here. :)

[Kaleva]

59. I got a chuckle out of that misspelling too!

[Le Taz Hot]

64. If I'm a freeper I've

done a damned fine job of hiding it for 9 years on DU. :shrug:

[Kadie]

20. Still here.

:)

[AsahinaKimi]

21. I would sooner

commit Seppuku then vote Republican.

[Kaleva]

22. Still here.

I'd have preferred an extension of the unemployment benefits and of allowing all the tax breaks to expire but that's just me. I have to get up in the morning and go to work regardless of what happens in Washington.

[galileoreloaded]

24. Lemme guess, you make over $250k a year? n/t

[JI7]

35. i support him and i'm not making any money

[panader0]

43. Naw, about 20 grand

[HuckleB]

61. -1,000,000,000,000,000

Extremely lame post.

[galileoreloaded]

69. Thank you, I try. n/t

[jaxx]

25. I'm an Obama supporter.

But the rants here tonight have given me a headache and they're redundant as all get out. People just don't like it when the President acts like a president. I saw some posts about letters to the President telling him he did the last straw bit, so I sent a letter too. Mine said thank you for fighting for the unemployed and the middle class. So I guess all this reading got something good done. :-)

[Imperialism Inc.]

26. I'm fine with the deal.

I think we should have seen some fight from Obama on several issues these last 2 years. On this one though there is no need. It just isn't worth it if a deal like the one announced goes through. Tax cuts for the wealthy are possibly the worst stimulus you can do but it is better than nothing. It isn't going to be allowed to go through any other way.

[madamesilverspurs]

28. Yup, still here.

And not going anywhere any time soon.

-

[Number23]

45. +1 on the first bit of your post, anyway

:)

[Proud Liberal Dem]

29. I'm a (100% unpaid) supporter of Obama

If he goes down, we all go down IMHO and, like Keith Ellison put it, I'm not going to help the Repubs take him down!

[TwilightGardener]

31. Yep.

[DefenseLawyer]

32. I'm now an Obama supporter in the same way I was a Clinton supporter

I tolerated Clinton, but I certainly didn't respect him. I certainly didn't trust him, and my expectation that he would stand up for me were zero. That's about where I am now.

[alittlelark]

39. +1

[Name removed]

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[KansasVoter]

36. Go to GDP, they love anything he does

[HipChick]

38. I support him like I supported Clinton...There is so much hate, I do wonder whether its the color of

of his skin

[JI7]

44. i know for a fact that is a big part of it

[madrchsod]

41. as "they say" he`s better than the other guys

we need to light a fire under his and the house and senate asses to make them aware that we might not be there for them in the primary.

[Atticus]

42. I'm sure some will dispute this, but I would like to be. I just don't want to answer

the question right now. I am too pissed.

I can say that I am sick of being called a freeper or told that I hate America because I voice sincere and reasonable criticisms of President Obama. That's the type of extremist nonsense that only serves to drive additional wedges into an already painful schism.

I want to do whatever will make this a better nation for my grandchildren to inherit. I am not certain just what that will entail, but I am open to discussing it with people who have more to offer than snark and cheerleading.

[knotwurstforware]

46. I believe Obama went in it with good intentions

He looks and acts overwhelmed. Sadly I think he wasn't up, politically speaking, for the job and he realizes this. His naivety thinking republicans are rational people hurts all of us.

[Codeine]

49. We're still here, just drowned out by the new cacophony. nt

[HuckleB]

56. +1

I don't have much hope for DU, anymore. Obama leaves me flummoxed today.

[treestar]

50. Not many.

Not here, anyway.

[Raschel]

51. I support him.

[Bluerthanblue]

52. I'm another-

I believe he's doing the best given the circumstances.
I'm not quitting.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

53. Yes.

[ddeclue]

54. For God's sake WHY? He keeps selling us out over and over again...

if I wanted President Lieberman I would have voted for him.

[HuckleB]

55. Obama did very well in his first year, as any real review of his record will show.

The second year has been a bit of a downhill slog, and the tax deal makes me feel like I'm reliving the Clinton years. Unfortunately, we're in a time where more of what Clinton offered will have much more severe consequences.

Ugh.

:(

[BzaDem]

57. Checking in. n/t

[Egnever]

62. Still thrilled with him!

Yup thats right i still think he is the best president of my lifetime hands down.

But then I understand how government works. I know that we never had 60 votes in the senate and because of that he has had to do a lot of compromising to get things done. Its the nature of the beast and the senate is and has been broken for years now. I am not sure I understand how people thought a congress with most of the same people it has had for over a decade would suddenly change its ways just because Obama was in office.
Its naive and reeks of a total ignorance of how our government works. Frankly I am amazed daily at how much he has gotten done.

I also haven't lost site of the fact that our media is not working for us. I am not sure why once Obama got into office everyone all of a sudden decided to swallow everything the media throws at them. One would have thought the bush years would have taught people they could not trust the media but apparently that mistrust only lasted as long as bush was in office. So today we get headlines posted here daily that are just completely spun propaganda and people never look past them to the details. Today is a perfect example the headlines are all Obama caved instead of Obama won many concessions. The difference in tone is everything. It is no wonder people are disillusioned i suppose they have been fed shit since Obama was elected nothing he does is ever right....I have never in my life seen so many things accomplished by a president that were just not good enough. Health care sucks cause there is no public option, yet millions of americans will be helped because of it my son among those millions. Credit card reform just didn't go far enough, yet I no longer get overdraft fees because my bank let me overdraw my account when their website claimed I had plenty of money in the bank to cover my purchase.

The list goes on and on.

People say he doesn't fight yet every day I hear him on cspan or other satellite channels doing just that, or buried in stories way below the fold you read about how he has been on the phone for days trying to bring congress people to his position.

I find the people bashing obama continuously to be mostly grossly misinformed or ignorant of the political process. Too many think he can wave some wand and force congress to his will. With no real understanding of the complexities of getting things done especially with a senate that requires 60 votes for anything to get through. The house has passed tons of great democratic legislation in the past two years only to have it die in the senate. Yet somehow its Obama fault that the senate is horribly broken.

Yup I love this president he has been a godsend after the last 8 years and I am quite sure when it comes time to judge him in the history books many of the idiots you see posting crap like they wish they hadn't voted for him will be clamoring to proclaim how proud they were to have helped get him elected.

The american public these days is horribly ignorant and most couldn't think critically if their life depended on it. Our nation is easily led by the nose.

So yup I still love our president he has already repaired much of the damage from the bush admin despite long odds against it. Sure theres more to do but unlike the permanently disappointed here the Obama keeps pushing ahead keeps working for progress even if its only an inch here and an inch here. I have no doubt that by the time his first term is over he will have made miles of progress.

[bushisanidiot]

73. [phone]

excellent post! I absolutely agree. President Obama is HANDS DOWN the best President of our life time. I'm damn proud of him. People act like his job must be easy. Arm chair quarterbacks are always the loudest whiners.

[lamp_shade]

63. Many of us are still here... but only to lurk. A few very brave souls still post.

[political_Dem]

65. Yes. I'm here.

:hi:

[MyNameGoesHere]

66. I support anyone that will help dismantle

America as we know it. So yeah keep it up Obama. Actually do more so the end will come quicker.

[tcaudilllg]

67. That SS payroll tax deduction

will be netting Obama a cool $8 grand.

How much will it be helping you?

[jtown1123]

79. It will destroy Social Security. This is a terrible idea. His Nixon Goes to China moment

• There’s no such thing as a “temporary” tax Cut. If Congress is unwilling to allow tax cuts for wealthy Americans to expire in the midst of economic crisis now, then why would it allow this so-called “holiday” to end in one year? The short answer–it wouldn’t. Americans should expect that when this tax “holiday” ends, restoring Social Security’s funding will be portrayed by those opposed to the program as a massive tax hike, rather than the legislated end of the “holiday”. That leaves Social Security permanently dependent on general fund revenues rather than worker contributions which have successfully funded the program for 75 years. If extended, this payroll tax cut would then double Social Security’s 75 year projected shortfall.

• This 2% payroll tax cut is the beginning of the end of Social Security as we know it. Worker contributions have successfully funded the program for 75 years and that critical linkage between contributions and benefits is what keeps Social Security a self-funded program. Proposals like this threaten the program’s independence, forcing Social Security to compete for limited federal dollars.

http://www.ncpssm.org/entitledtoknow/?p=1415

[hay rick]

81. Exactly.

Obama is trading short term pain relief for chronic, widespread poverty in the not so distant future. It's not stimulus, it's betrayal.

[jtown1123]

82. Thank You. This needs to be shared with as many Dems as possible.

[Rockholm]

68. Barely supporting at the present time.

Letting me down on DADT and marriage equality.
I believe Obama is being played over and over by the right wing and the media.
Giving in on the tax breaks is stupid. (Wonder where the tea party people are on this one?)

[uppityperson]

70. you are not alone. Some of us don't post much any more.

I am beyond dichotomous thinking. He doesn't have to be the savior or the evil one. I'm not happy with much of what is done but will not call him a repub or call him insulting names. Politics suck and you aren't alone here.

[NeoConsSuck]

72. Please let me have some of what you're smoking.

And yes, I really believe that Obama is a Manchurian/Republican President.

[dog_lovin_dem]

74. Definately

an Obama supporter here. I have attempted to recommend a few threads and am disappointed that the unrecs apparently outweigh my rec. VERY frustrated with DU right now.

[social_critic]

75. Big thumbs up for Obama

All of you leftist wonks need to relax, the guy has to get things done. You got to admit it, he did make some progress polishing up our image, and he has been a lot better than the Republican alternative.

[jtown1123]

76. I am a Democrat, but I can no longer support Obama. I think many others feel the same way.

[madokie]

77. Count me in

considering the pukes in congress and their party of no the man is doing one hell of a good job.
someone needs to castrate the pukes in congress, a few of them anyway to get the point across that we're tired of this shit, figuratively speaking that is.

[walldude]

78. Honest question here.

If you believe that Obama made the best deal he could given the situation, then please explain to me why he couldn't have just waited and forced a vote on the tax breaks. Why give something to the Republicans? What have they given? Name one compromise the Republicans have made in the last 2 years. Name one. There isn't one and there won't be one. This wasn't a negotiation it was blackmail. "If you don't give money to the wealthy we will put unemployed families out in the street". Obama compromised with criminal minds. Sorry, any support or sympathy I had left for Obama is gone.

[jtown1123]

84. Good point. When do the Republicans ever back down or give up something? They don't and we shouldn't

[bushisanidiot]

83. Count me in!

I've got President Obama's back.

Still as proud of him today as I was when I voted for him!

Fixing AWOL Bush's DISASTER of a presidency is no easy task. Especially when both sides of the aisle and the media are ALL ROOTING AGAINST YOU!

[hay rick]

85. Neither rec nor unrec.

I am a lifelong Democrat who is disgusted with Obama. I think the issues need to be discussed on their merits, not on whether we are prepared to stand by the man we elected through a rough patch. I think his proposed compromise on the Bush tax cuts is catastrophically bad.

1. He paid off the hostage-takers for a temporary respite. He demonstrated that he will whine and moan and lash out at members of his own party who disagree with him, but in the end he will cave into their demands without risking battle. They will be encouraged by his demonstrated lack of resolve and their own increased numbers in the upcoming congress. They will have further demands in 12 months, when the "tax holiday" on employee contributions to ss is due to expire. They will claim non-renewal is a tax hike. They will be back in 13 months when the latest extension of unemployment benefits are due to expire. They will be back in 2 years when Bush tax cuts are again set to expire. Taking a stand will only get harder and the price of their demands will escalate accordingly.

2. The 2% tax holiday is a too little, too late substitute for the large stimulus package that Obama did not get earlier. The obvious downside is that the holiday will be no more temporary than the Bush tax cuts- resulting in a depleted trust fund, increased deficits (curiously, the Republicans are taking THIS WEEK off on their deficit reduction campaign), and renewed and redoubled calls to slash Social Security and Medicare expenditures.

Add in the revenue foregone by extending tax cuts for the wealthy (which will clearly turn into an indefinite extension) and the short term benefits of this compromise will be dwarfed by the long term costs and misery it will inflict on the majority of Americans.