How gullible is this guy? "These tax cut will expire in two years"

[KansasVoter]

And in two years, we will be sitting here PISSED again because either Obama extended them again (if he wins) or Palin extended them FOREVER.

Why does he honestly think these are temporary???

[Fresh_Start]

1. The reason he sounds so sincere...

is he believes his own words.

[Bluerthanblue]

14. that isn't sounding sincere, it's BEING sincere.

If he said the words but didn't believe them he'd be deceitful.

I don't believe he is trying to deceive anyone.

[Bluerthanblue]

2. because they will.

Unless people are stupid enough to elect a republican out of spite.

Pres.O would have no reason or desire to extend them in 2yrs.

[KansasVoter]

9. ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION??? They will make some deal in 2 years and do.....

The same thing. There will be blackmail of Obama again.

[Bluerthanblue]

23. I'm paying attention. The only way that you can be sure what you say

will happen happens is if you work to help it happen.

I intend to work to be sure it doesn't. For as long as I am able.

:hi:

[originalpckelly]

10. Unless the Republicans only send him bills with tax cuts for both again.

They're going to be in control of the House, and practically in control in the Senate. They'll be able to filibuster, so they'll have leverage. I bet you that the only thing to come out of the House will be tax cuts for both the rich and the rest.

[tekisui]

32. How in the world can you say that with a straight face?

"Pres.O would have no reason or desire to extend them in 2yrs."

He'll have just as 'valid' a reason as he has now.

[Bluerthanblue]

34. how in the world can you

possibly know that?

How can you continue to live if you don't believe that things can improve?

If you honestly believe what you say, if you are SO certain as many people on DU seem to be- that all we have to look towards is bad and worse, why go on at all?

Why not just quit everything?

Holding onto the belief that things can be better tomorrow, and doing whatever I'm able, to make that happen is critical. Without that I'm dead. Literally.

[tekisui]

41. The Bush/Obama tax cuts aren't the be all end all of my life.

I have absolutely no reason to believe Obama can or will be able to get rid of them in another two years. He and the Dems failed.

It is actually much easier to go on when you accept realities and let go of delusions. Of course things can get better. Of course I'll do what I can to make things better. But, I won't put much faith in our elected reps.

[Statistical]

3. Don't worry the original Bush tax cuts were temporary and we saw how ....

er wait. Yeah thats not good.

[KansasVoter]

15. LOL

[yourout]

4. If they are going to extend them they should do it as a seperate bill for those over 250k.

That way when they come up for renewal if will force people to go on record as voting for tax breaks for the rich.

[ProSense]

5. They expire by the end of 2012

The economic case for extending the tax cuts will no longer exist. They'll expire.

It will be easier to just let them expire.

[msongs]

11. it is far easier to let them expire now and then reintroduce middle class cuts only but.... nt

[ProSense]

18. No.

When they expire, Republicans take control of the House.

[Cant trust em]

22. But what?

Sorry, the thought seems to hang. What's the conclusion?

[gateley]

13. I think they'll come up with another reason - they always seem to. nt

[Cant trust em]

17. Sorry, Charlie. That's barely the rationale that's being used now.

The economic stimulus argument isn't what's the deciding factor. I guarantee it has to do with the fact that he promised that no one who made under $250K a year would see an increase. He knows as well as I do that if he increased middle class taxes he'd be up shit creek. There is no big picture for this, just people's pocket books.

[ProSense]

21. "He knows as well as I do that if he increased middle class taxes he'd be up shit creek. "

So you think allowing them to expire now would be less problematic?

[Cant trust em]

27. Nope. I think that the extension was a decently smart thing to do.

From a political calculation point at least. In 2012 he can emphasize it less on the campaign trail, so if they expire it won't be as big of a deal. I remember canvassing in Wisconsin in 2008 and I talked to a lot of independents whose support was pretty much conditioned on taxes. I have a pretty pessimistic view of American's ability to sacrifice for the common, long-term good.

[Mimosa]

35. Why not let the rich pay more?

The debt ridden middle class cannot afford higher taxes. The rich have gotten far richer over the past decade.

[Statistical]

20. Unemployment is projected to only fall about 1% a year for next 2 years.

That is the optomistic projection which means we likely are looking at 7.5% to 8.5% unemployment (U3) in 2012. Certainly economic reason (if you buy the BS that tax cuts on rich stimulate economy) to not "raise" taxes.

Just wait for it in 2012.

"Anyone wishing to raise taxes when we have over 7% unemployment doesn't care about the workers. This tax increase bill will be the death of American jobs. Does Obama and his cronies want to cause a double dip?"

Bookmark it. 2012 I guarantee you will see something similar being argued.

[ProSense]

25. With those numbers

it would be easier. People like Krugman are advocating that they be allowed to expire now.

[Cant trust em]

38. Bingo. nt

[tekisui]

33. Just like this time. That is comedy gold!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Blecht]

6. That's not the right question

It should be, "How gullible does he think we are?"

[Individualist]

28. Hear, hear!!

...or, how stupid does he think we are?

[CakeGrrl]

7. They will, and they are a talking point for 2012

When election time rolls around, who in their right mind would want the candidate who WANTS to keep them extended?

The President's statement today maintains that he has never wanted them nor does he want them now for the over $250,000+/year crowd.

[mmonk]

8. Sounds familiar.

[Cant trust em]

12. He doesn't think they're temporary. it's just posturing.

There's no way they let these expire in 2 years.

It's not gullibility, just a cover up.

[Bluerthanblue]

29. sounds like you are planning to make sure they don't.

Otherwise, you couldn't be so certain.

:shrug:

[Cant trust em]

31. I just don't like the odds of them expiring.

Do you really think that our political landscape will change so much in 2 years that politicians will have enough guts to hit the public with bitter medicine?

Seriously?

[Bluerthanblue]

36. yes actually I do. If people are really sincere about wanting to

get the deficit under control, there will be no excuse for giving a tax-cut to people who have more money than %97 percent of the rest of us.
The $700billion that it will be costing us over the next 10yrs. will be a hard one for the republicans to sell if they didn't have control of the White House for another 4yrs.

[Cant trust em]

37. I hope you're right. I guess time will tell.

On a policy level, I think that we could let the cuts expire for everyone and not have any real effect on consumption. However, I do see the political pitfall that doesn't work in democrats favor.

I think that prosense is right in that part of the argument won't be as strong in 2 years, but I still have a hard time seeing it going in our favor.

[Safetykitten]

16. Oh brother. They are now effectively forever. "It's in the game!"

[DearAbby]

19. Forest Gump gullible

or as Tom Hanks a very good actor... You know exactly what they are doing, they will wait till the last minute again this time making the tax cuts permanent. Being a Presidential election, and a GOP Controlled Congress, weak senate. Get used to the idea of selling our children and the lives of their children as slave laborers to pay for the 2% Tax increase. I don't need a oujia board, tarot cards, or Remote viewing to figure this sheeyit out.

[Iggo]

24. Not gullible at all. He's lying.

The question is, How gullible does he think WE are.

The answer is, Very.

[Bluerthanblue]

26. .

:thumbsdown:

[BlueCheese]

30. This sets a terrible precedent.

The longer something is around, the harder it is to get rid of it. Witness, for example, the designated hitter rule.

Why should we expect anything to be different next time around, when Republicans are almost certainly going to be in a stronger position? Heck, I bet they finagle the budget resolution to allow for reconciliation to be used too.

[Fla_Democrat]

39. Jerry, just remember. It's not a lie... if you believe it...

Jerry, just remember. It's not a lie... if you believe it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_PSJsl0LQ



:smoke:

[donco6]

40. No chance. They will be extended until they're made permanent.

The only question is how long that will take.