Anyone who calls out for Hillary now,

[RandySF]

was not around or old enough to remember 1995-2000. After we lost the Congress in the 1994 election, Bill Clinton got up before the country and said "the era of Big Government is over". We got welfare reform (which was not ALL bad), the Defense of Marriage Act, school uniforms and repeal of Glass-Steagall and the First Lady who so valiantly fought for health care reform in 1993 never uttered a single word about it until 2007. If you want to talk about the people serving in Obama's administration, I should mention that no less a corporate hack than Erskine Bowles served as Clinton's Deputy Chief of Staff. And of course, I do not need to mention Lloyd Bentsen and Robert Rubin. Now, I know that Bill's actions do not automatically predict what Hillary would have done, but if you think we would have found our progressive warrior in the person who used San Francisco against Obama in Ohio, I think we would have been just as disappointed.

[flvegan]

1. Who would argue one side of six of one, half dozen of another?

[Skittles]

2. well we will never know, will we?

[Radical Activist]

3. At least Obama is starting out from a left position before compromising. Not so with Clinton.

[Skittles]

4. LEFT?!!!!!!!

:rofl:

[laconicsax]

8. Left of Mussolini. n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. Bzzzt.

He CAMPAIGNED left - he has never governed left. He's started in governance at center-right, and compromised from there.

[Radical Activist]

9. More government regulation over every part of the economy, health care with a public option,

cap-and-trade. I'd be interested in knowing what center-right Republicans are fighting for these things. These were all strongly progressive issues before Obama introduced them.

[RaleighNCDUer]

12. Weak-assed regulation, written by the banksters - there is NO public option -

and cap-and-trade is a boondoggle which will make money for some industries while doing NOTHING to reduce carbon emissions.

So, what the fuck are you talking about?

[Radical Activist]

blah blah blah

More of the usual ass-whining about compromises forced by the Senate. Do you understand the difference between what Obama proposed (what my comment was about) and what the Senate passed? Are you aware that there's more than one branch of government?
The topic was about what Obama PROPOSED being liberal. By contrast, Clinton started out by proposing something conservative. Very different. Understand now?
And you don't know fuck about cap-and-trade.

[Individualist]

6. Surrounding himself with DLC as soon as he was elected is left?

:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:

[Radical Activist]

10. Is appointing people a policy position?

Last time I checked, keeping a Republican Defense Secretary didn't stop Gates from advocating the repeal of DADT and cuts in the defense budget. Two clearly progressive policy positions. So that tired old complaint doesn't have shit to do with his policies.

[Metric System]

7. Well, Clinton did start out from the left in 1993, dealing with gay rights and health care. The MSM,

the right and some within his own party (like Sam Nunn) worked against his agenda (a common argument was that the American people didn't give him a mandate for such sweeping change).

[Radical Activist]

11. He didn't choose when to deal with what became DADT and he handled it poorly.

Did Bill even propose a public option like Obama did? It doesn't appear so.
Then there was NAFTA and major budget cuts to social programs to balance the budget. '93 Clinton doesn't seem too liberal, especially compared to Obama, who just re-regulated the industries Clinton deregulated.

[FrenchieCat]

13. Don't forget the fucked up deregulation of Fucked up cable......

that was Clinton's great idea.
We've been paying a big price for that one
ever since.....and we continue to pay.
That's how Bush stole the election,
won re-election, started the wars,
fucked up or economy totally,
that we are now blaming the Black guy for.

Yeah, Clinton! and his wife!
She would have done so much better,
in nothing more than theory.

[Radical Activist]

15. Media deregulation was a crime we still pay for.

Clinton fucked us all over good.

[Liquorice]

14. I like Hillary and I'm old enough to remember the 90's. nt

[pansypoo53219]

16. i swear nobody remembers how it was in 94.

hope 96 gets repeated.
but the repuublikkklans are out in 2012.

[ddeclue]

17. Two wrongs don't make a right. I was around then and Clinton was wrong to do it then too.

He sold us out for a while but finally found his testicles somewhere and stood up to Gingrich and shut down the gov't. Obama will never do that because all he wants is the love of Republicans which he can never get.

[Radical Activist]

18. Well, somebody found Bill's testicles anyway.

Obama is fixing a lot of the messes left for us by Bill, like deregulation of banks, lending and the media. Since Obama is re-regulating those industries I'll take Obama's actions over Clinton's smooth speeches any day.