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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 06:24 AM
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40,000 factories in the last decade.. People used to WORK there
40,000 factories...think of that... If a "factory" is even employing 100 people, do the math... When factories support OTHER factories, though manufacturing things they buy from each other, and the "chain" breaks, whole communities crumble....killing off other businesses (not factories, but places the former factory-workers USED to frequent).

Remember when we used to MAKE textiles here? Were people unable to afford socks, sheets, towels, blankets, underwear?

When did we suddenly lose the "recipe" for socks?..or when did the public start clamoring for 79-cent socks, instead of 99-cent socks?

Remember when we used to make shoes here? Were people going barefoot because American shoes cost too much?

Remember when tires were made here?
Radios?
TVs?
Sewing machines?
Bicycles?

The people who worked in those factories supported families with those wages..they supported barber shops, restaurants, theaters, clothing stores, furniture stores, they bought houses, paid rent, bought cars.. It all "worked".

Factory owners made money, drove fancy cars, lived in nice homes, sent their kids to the top-notch colleges.. It worked for them too.

I think that a LOT of factory owners operated on "deferred maintenance" and eventually it all started catching up to them. Instead of FIXING what may have been wrong with their "process" or their buildings/labor practices, they took the passive-aggressive route and sold out/off-shored/merged/etc.


Morici: 8/10/10: Trade Deficit Causes Jobless Recoveillegal codemakeRemote('duboard.php?az=html_table')ry

http://www.tradereform.org/2010/08/morici-81010-trade-deficit-causes-jobless-recovery/

The following article was written by Peter Morici, a professor at the Smith School of Business, University of Maryland School, and former economist at the U.S. International Trade Commission. Wednesday, analysts expect the Commerce Department to report the deficit on international trade in goods and services was $41.5 billion in June or 3.4 percent of GDP. The trade deficit is a huge drag on economic recovery and jobs creation.

In the second quarter overall, the imports grew so much more rapidly than exports that the growing trade gap subtracted 2.8 percent from growth. But for the increase in the trade gap, GDP would have grown 5.2 percent instead of 2.4 percent. At that pace, unemployment would fall by 2013 to less than 5 percent, the level accomplished the two years prior to the Great Recession

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In the modern theory of comparative advantage taught in graduate schools of economics, the gains from free trade based are premised on approximately balanced trade. Countries increase foreign purchases in industries where they are relatively less productive, and specialize in what they do best. The United States is doing too much buying but not enough selling. Oil and consumer goods from China account for nearly the entire trade deficit, and without a dramatic change in energy and trade policies, the U.S. economy faces unemployment around 10 percent indefinitely. President Obama’s efforts to halt offshore drilling and otherwise curtail conventional energy supplies—premised on false assumptions about the immediate potential of electric cars and alternative energy sources—threaten to make the United States even more dependent on imported oil. Detroit can build many more attractive and efficient gasoline-powered vehicles now, and national policy to accelerate the replacement of the existing fleet would reduce imports, spur growth and create jobs.

To keep Chinese products artificially inexpensive on U.S. store shelves and discourage U.S. exports into China, Beijing undervalues the yuan by 40 percent. It accomplishes this by printing yuan and selling those for dollars to augment the private supply of yuan and private demand for dollars. In 2009, those purchases were about $450 billion or 10 percent of China’s GDP, and about 35 percent of its exports of goods and services.

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China recognizes President Obama is not likely to counter Chinese mercantilism with strong, effective actions; hence, it offers token gestures and cultivates political support among U.S. businesses like General Motors profiting from investments in China. President Obama should impose a tax on dollar-yuan conversions in an amount equal to China’s currency market intervention divided by its exports—in 2009 that was about 35 percent. For imports, at least, that would offset Chinese subsidies that harm U.S. businesses and workers.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 06:35 AM
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1. simple... WE did not want 79cent socks
the people who pocketed the profits did
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 06:35 AM
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2. More tax cuts for the rich, anyone? (So that they can "invest" overseas)
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 06:43 AM
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3. SCD: I worked as a factory planning draftsman for many years...Once, I worked
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 06:44 AM by old mark
as part of a team designing the most efficient IC chip production clean room on earth. We got it perfected, photographed it and wrapped it all up and sent it to Singapore. The company I worked for then that designed and built that room is no longer in business, nor are several of the other companies I worked for.

We have been sending our jobs overseas since after WWII, and I am sure that many of the people currently unemployed will never find a job again, certainly not in manufacturing, at any rate.

The jobs are all gone and are not going to come back.

mark
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 06:47 AM
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4. My son just returned from his THIRD trip to Singapore (prepping for the business to go there)
He has NO intention of moving there (an he has not been asked to), but for over a year now, he has been told to "release" about 14 of the people he supervised, and is now spending most of his time "wrapping things up".:(

He has options, and will land on his feet, but I'm sure his next position will not allow him to work from home (which he dearly loves).

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 06:48 AM
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5. Recommend
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 06:50 AM
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Those factories are where our kids used to work after they graduated high school
Now we ship them off to Iraq and Afghanistan.

Mission Accomplished!

Don
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 06:50 AM
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6. Several years ago on DU, I remarked that outsourcing was not only
an economic disaster for the nation but a national security one as well and was soundly rebuked by some DUer with free market sensibilities who told me that it didn't matter where stuff was produced because the consumer would get the best market price for the doodads he/she wants to buy. I didn't engage because what does a country bumpkin like me know about market models and the rarified air of the economic stratosphere. Some bridge was likely missing its troll that day.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 06:53 AM
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8. As we have now discovered you were right
I doubt you will get many people here to admit they were wrong now though. Even after it has been proven they were.

Hard heads.

Don
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 07:01 AM
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10. and a lot of younger people who only ever saw things get better and better
they may have heard the "stories" from parents/grandparents, but chose to not believe them..
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 06:50 AM
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7. That massive "sucking sound", thanks to NAFTA, GAT, CAFTA, and WTO!
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 06:53 AM
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9. We sacrificed our National economy for individual profit.
Because the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 07:04 AM
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11. Socal-do you mind if I use a version of this for my next ed?
it is an excellent subject-especially here in Texas,which has lost so many jobs and has SO many "Free-market" fans who are struggling to feed a family.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 07:05 AM
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12. use it any way you can
with my blessing
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SmileyRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 07:07 AM
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13. Walmart
America did indeed price themselves out of a job to save 20 cents. The spending power of most people's wages has either been stegnant or dropped in the last 30 years. Yet so many people own so much stuff we've taken to building a "U Store It" places every few miles to hold everyone's extra crap.

Union workers BEGGED people in the late 70's to BUY AMERICAN instead of cheap imports and predicted this very scenario in our future. Not enough Americans believed or cared.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 07:34 AM
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14. Never heard about any cuts in SS or Medicare or our government employees pay or pensions back then
On the contrary. Those programs and services were being expanded when we had the industrial workers paying the withheld taxes to pay for it all. Never heard about cutting them like we do now.

We sure are smart, aren't we?

Don
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 07:51 AM
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15. The sad thing...not ALL suffered because of this
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era veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:13 AM
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16. My hometown lost 4200 jobs one day in the 90's
By the time Fruit of the Loom closed it was a total of about 6500 jobs. Population of city around 10,000. Of course Amazon. Com came in and provided some forklift/ warehouse jobs at a very reduced wages and numbers. Moved the company to Central America where they immediately could not produce contract products. The 'factory' had been there since 1952 and had been the largest underwear factory in the world. Thanks for nothing " Union Underwear".
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:48 AM
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17. The vast majority of my students
tell me they want to go to college. There are a handful that, even in middle school, are looking ahead to the military, which breaks my heart. The rest? They ALL say "college." Even those that hate reading and can't understand why I'm so picky about grammar and spelling. Even those that can't do a simple sum in their heads, reaching for a calculator for something that takes me less time to compute in my head than it does for them to punch in the numbers. Even those that hate writing.

Even those that don't value literacy or intellect; I have a lot of those, serving a small, rural, anti-government, anti-intellectual community.

Some of my students need trade schools. They need factories to work in. That's the kind of work they WANT to do. Those jobs ought to be there for them.

As it is, "college," for most of my students, turns out to be the local community college, getting a two-year degree in something that doesn't necessarily lead to a career.

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:54 AM
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18. In their heads, the probably see "college" based on movies they watch
and are not really thinking of the debt that goes along with it, and the work that will be required to pay it all off..

Community colleges are fine, BUT without real jobs to GO to, is college the answer?

Supposedly health care is the "booming industry" of the future...but what if you are not interested in medical jobs? what happens when people can no longer afford medical care?

We have lost equilibrium, and there is no longer a stable community of work.. By the time one trains for a job/career, the fat cats have figured out a way to outsource/trivialize it so that there is no longer a monetary advantage to the people training to do that job.



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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:19 AM
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22. Sadly, your points are all good.
What hope, really, do most of our young people have?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:58 AM
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19. Rec'd
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:58 AM
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20. This is infuriating and heartbreaking. The "buy American" list posted here recently
had almost nothing on it.

We don't make anything anymore. We do service jobs now. We are a dependent nation.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:00 AM
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21. you do my hair & I'll do your nails
:(
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