Some people here "DO NOT GET IT". We wanted the FIGHT to prevent more blackmail later!!!

[KansasVoter]

I am so sick of reading "Isn't it nice unemployment was extended, that is great news" and "We did not have the votes to overturn it so we made the best deal we could". Makes me want to vomit!!!

Folks, we don't even know if we would have lost the fight because we never DAMN TRIED to fight. Hell, if he would have fought just three weeks, and I mean a daily dressing down of the GOP on the MSM, and then lost, at least we would know. But now WE HAVE NO IDEA if it would of worked.

Folks, you think the GOP is mad about this deal? Or thrilled? Any negotiation should make both sides a little upset. The GOP got everything they wanted and more. They are laughing their asses off at this because they know it will continue for 2 more years! They have no respect for Obama and have no fear of him at all. Does that not bother anyone here?

They will do this for two more years. Weekly, monthly, etc. Nothing stopping them. No fear of a fight!

And the GOP Millionaire/Billionaire buddies will pour BILLIONS of dollars into the 2010 election now. Because we handed them $140 BILLION dollars that they can now use to put more GOP candidates into office.

Obama should have done the following......

Daily, show up at the White House press briefing, and say that he will VETO any bill not including tax cuts for the middle class and that does not raise taxes on the top 2%. Explain DAILY that the GOP is preventing 98% of Americans from getting a tax cut to help their Billionaire buddies make more money. And also point out that the GOP is preventing the Unemployed from getting the benefits they deserve.

The next day do the same thing, tell Bohener that he is welcome to the next days press briefing to debate the points he is making. Ask the GOP to explain why 98% of Americans should not get a Tax cut.

Go on the Senate floor daily and dress down the GOP about preventing the 98% from getting tax cuts that the GOP seems to love most of the time.

Do it daily until they cave. And they would cave.

It is always our damn problem, we never control the message, we chicken out first.

So THAT is why people are pissed. Because at some point you need to stand up to the bully, even if it means you might get your ass kicked. Because the bully will find someone else to pick on that will not fight back.

Obama is getting his ass kicked by the GOP. And some of us are sick of it.

[cbdo2007]

1. I think you do not get it.

This is all about the 2010 election and this has 100% taken taxes off the table for the 2010 election discussions. Obama lowered everyones taxes and no one can say he raised them for anyone. Obama had already lowered many peoples taxes and no one noticed - they'll notice this.

There are just a handful of issues that can hurt Obama in the election and pegging him as someone who "raised taxes" is one of them. They've pegged that issue on every Dem forever...but now they can't pin it on Obama. He lowered everyone's taxes, just like the Tea Party wants, rendering their arguments irrelevant and shooing himself easily to another win in 2010. This was all about strategy, not about money.

[Hello_Kitty]

7. They're NOT going to notice.

The only change for most people will be the reduction in SS withholding which most of them won't notice. And with all the pay cuts and furloughs going on people have smaller checks and are even less likely to notice small tax cuts.

[cbdo2007]

16. It made front page news all over the US yesterday and still is leading many news websites.

It isn't about the amount...that's why they didn't notice the $800 last year with "making work pay". It's about media coverage and making sure everyone in the country knows Obama lowered their taxes.

You noticed and you haven't even gotten a pay check yet. This was the problem before, is it was all hidden in a "Stimulus bill" so the tax cuts were over looked. This was a tax bill, so the cuts have to be covered and literally everyone in the country knows about them.

[Hello_Kitty]

27. I'm unemployed and don't qualify for UI. I'm not getting shit. eom

[cbdo2007]

39. Since when is this all about you?? It's about people noticing his tax cuts. You noticed them and

don't even benefit. YOu're proving my point exactly.

[Hello_Kitty]

43. Yeah, I knew you'd play the "selfish" card.

Oh yeah, I'm such a selfish bitch for thinking about myself.

Sorry, I'll just die quietly in the corner.

[cbdo2007]

49. Well we were talking about one thing and you completely switched topics

and made it about you not having a job. I just call it like I see it.

[Hello_Kitty]

45. Also, if you think Murkins are going to notice their tax cuts you're high.

Basically this maintains the status quo with a slight decrease due to the (stupid) payroll tax decrease.

[Codeine]

54. Why don't you qualify? nt

[derby378]

51. "It's not about results - it's about public perception"

That's basically what you just said. Me, I'm still waiting for results.

[shawn703]

10. You are delusional

If you think the teabaggers or the Republicans are going to vote for Obama in 2012. The only thing this is doing is angering his base enough so they will stay home.

[cbdo2007]

17. Where did I say teabaggers or Repubes would vote for Obama?

Sorry, did you respond to the wrong post again??

[tcaudilllg]

19. Raising taxes is OK when you've got a deficit the size of ours.

The American people want two things: jobs (by any means... they are not strict about capitalist methods) and a debt that doesn't put us at serious long term risk. Raise taxes, you get both.

If they had only raised the taxes on the $125,000+ crowd, the cost of the other cuts would have been cut in half.

But far be it for them to raise taxes on themselves! Obama comes out rather nicely from the deal.

[BlueCheese]

28. I assume you mean 2012.

Though trying to retroactively influence the 2010 elections sounds like a strategy that the current crop of Dems might try.

[cbdo2007]

40. You got me. 2010, 2012....whatever the next Pres election is. I'll have to look it up :)

[EstimatedProphet]

31. You really think that?

You really think this took taxes off the table for 2012? THIS PUT THEM SQUARELY ON THE TABLE. The tax cuts will now expire 2 months after the 2012 election! What do you think the repubs are going to be campaigning about?

[cbdo2007]

38. But what are they going to say?? "He'll raise taxes like he did...oh wait, he lowered them...

nevermind"

He set this up perfectly for the good ole "bait n switch". His record is that he has always lowered taxes, so they can't say he'll raise taxes. (well they can say it but no one will fall for it). Then when this set of tax cuts expire, they'll raise them. Here's the great part - the Repubes will have to raise them too. Eventually SOMEONE will HAVE TO raise taxes to pay off the deficit.

They are setting it up just like Bush did as a time bomb. Either Obama wins again on his record of being a tax lowerer and raises taxes, or Obama loses and the Repube has to raise taxes, negating his/her campaign promises, and they lose in 4 years just like Bush Sr. This may be brilliant.

[Hello_Kitty]

46. No, they'll say "Obama will raise taxes".

And how's he going to respond? "Only on the top 2%!" Which he just failed to do.

[cbdo2007]

48. He'll say, "Why do you say I'll raise taxes?? My record has always been to lower them and I intend

to keep taxes low. Tax rates under my administration are the lowest they've been under any other President, Democrat or Republican, over the past 60 years. For you to imply that I'll raise taxes and go against my record of lowering them for every American is presumptions and incorrect."

[EstimatedProphet]

57. Yes, that's exactly what they will say

And it will work, because EVERYONE KNOWS that Dems raise taxes. It doesn't make a bit of difference whether it is true or not - EVERYONE KNOWS it's true, so it's true. Denying it with the actual truth just means you're a shill for the Dems. Everyone will fall for it, as always. I know this because IT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW. The teabillies have been screaming their heads off about how Obama has raised their taxes, after he lowered their taxes, and you can point it out to them 100 different ways just to have them call you a liar because THEY KNOW OBAMA RAISED THEIR TAXES. The public hasn't paid attention to reality in years, and it's silly to think they will start paying attention now.

The only way we will ever be rid of these tax cuts is for them to expire. The repubs wanted this extension instead of permanent tax cuts because it sets them up perfectly in 2012.

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[cbdo2007]

36. Yes you will, everyone here who says they won't - will. Promise you. Take it to the bank.

[Winterblues]

37. That is certainly what the Administration believes

Just how low does one have to sink before they say enough? I can guarantee you I have reached bottom.

[GOTV]

41. What are you talking about? You know the 2010 elections are over don't you?

And you know, since it's a 2 year extension, they'll be coming up again right in time for his re-election.

[ibegurpard]

44. i don't give a shit about Obama's re-election

He fucked us

[frylock]

50. $20 a week for me..

whoop-de-freakin-do

[nashville_brook]

55. These cuts run out during the 2012 campaign - shitty timing, they'll have to renew them

Might as well make them permanent now and get it over with.

[midnight]

2. Obama ran as a Reagan Democrat. Reagan economics didn't

have a good impact on many families.....Somehow Obama sees this Republican President as a fiscal model... I don't think Obama is weak or caving...I think he believes this is good...

[DirkGently]

5. This is the greatest concern. Reagan is no model for anyone to follow for anything.

[NorthCarolina]

14. Unless you're a DLC Democrat. nt

[tcaudilllg]

21. We need to bring them down this time around.

[NorthCarolina]

25. I wish, but

Obama is a DLC Democrat.

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[Catherina]

3. Rec'd n/t

[hobbit709]

4. Once you give in to blackmail, the demands get bigger.

[DrDan]

6. and we had this (this REALLY REALLY p****s me off)

In an interview on CBS's "Face the Nation," the Ohio Republican said that he would support an extension of the Bush tax cuts just for those making under $250,000 a year if that was the only vote he'd get. His preference remained a full extension for all rates.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/12/boehner-tax-cuts-bush-obama_n_713664.html


What do we do with it? Capitulate.

[Supersedeas]

35. don't let the facts get in the way of the spin now in play for the Great Compromise of '10

[kath]

52. Yep - why the hell Obama and the "Democrats" didn't take that and run with it is mind-boggling.

Absofuckinlutely pathetic beyond words.

:banghead: :puke: :banghead: :puke:
:grr: :mad:

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. I get your argument

I just think you're wrong.

Have a good day.

:hi:

[maxpower]

9. Couldn't agree more

This administration is afraid of it's own shadow. Obama knows who butters his bread. So why are we surprised. I am pissed and frustrated but not surprised. The next two years are going to be hell. So sad. R.I.P. America.

Peace,
Max

[Boxerfan]

11. Totally agree...We are dealing with sociopath's-BULLIES

You give in they want more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more.


It just never works to compromise with bullies. Stand your ground & have your fight. It was the fight worth having-and frankly a no brainer.


Someimes I think of an old joke I made up. Republicans suck-but Democrats swallow.At times like these I wish there was a viable independent political party.

[tcaudilllg]

20. John Boehner -- the sociopath who tried to be good...

but just wasn't willing to sit down to read a decent book on the subject.

[Egnever]

13. You dont get it

letting this tax cut expire on the lower 95% would have done serious damage to the economy at a time when we need to be doing every thing we can to prop it up.

There was no choice in this fight that was the right one.

[KansasVoter]

33. Obama loves your blind support!

[Egnever]

34. And the republicans love your Ideological ignorance

I'll stick with Obama feel free to keep working for the pukes.

[KansasVoter]

42. LOL, for us or for the GOP, you sound like Bush now!

[Moondog]

15. As a result of this "deal" the raising taxes issue will be front and center in the '12 elections.

What a truly stupid move.

[Major Hogwash]

18. This is a pretty good analysis.

I think that what has caught Obama off guard is that the entire mainstream media is against him.
Even when the GOP lies, the MSM takes their side.

[Major Hogwash]

Plus the fact that Boehner would have brought up the tax cuts next month anyway.

And he would only have had one all-inclusive bill.
So it would have been a "all or nothing" proposition, and then the GOP would accuse Obama of raising taxes.

[Major Hogwash]

24. So we did it now in order to get the unemployment benefits renewed for a year.

Because Democrats actually care about unemployed people, unlike the GOP, who only care about the rich.

[Poboy]

22. recommend

[Ichingcarpenter]

23. It was not a COMpromise but a CONpromise.

Republicans........ yeah right.

I'm going compromise with Fascist Pigs.

I love how English describes things.

I officially have started a new word



CONpromise

Feel free to put in your new definitions of the new word.

[meow mix]

26. recommended

horrible president id like my money back

[BlueCheese]

29. Any minute now...

... we'll start hearing about how this is the greatest progressive legislation since the dawn of the republic, excepting possibly the health insurance bill.

Seriously--the Republicans went into this round of poker holding nothing at all. They practically told everyone that, and still got the Democrats to fold a full house.

[treestar]

30. So let's say the Democrats are in a minority in the Senate

But have more than 41.

If they filibuster, will it also be "blackmail" then?

You seem to have a problem with the system per se.

Do the Republicans owe us their votes? Explain. With a Republican President and a majority Republican Senate, our Dem Senators will owe them their votes, no? Why wouldn't that be blackmail?

[Luciferous]

47. You did a great job explaining it... K&R

[jtown1123]

53. THANK YOU a million times over

[cilla4progress]

56. I completely agree

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