Sherrod Brown debunks "hostage" metaphor on Rachel

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

The Dems present extending UI every day and let the Republicans say no, while Obama makes trips to states with Republican Senators who are up for election in 2012.

That's the gist of it. Someone else can elaborate.

Look for the reair of TRMS, or find the interview on her website. It's excellent :thumbsup:

[phleshdef]

1. And how are the people waiting for their benefits suppose to get by while they play that game?

[Bluerthanblue]

3. they don't seem to matter to the purists.

They matter to me.

They matter to the President.

:shrug:

[frylock]

10. more hostage taking..

thanks.

[Donnachaidh]

5. perhaps they could talk to a 99er

yes, I'm being sarcastic. But I find all this pearl-clutching about people waiting for benefits more than a little disengenuous when 4 million have already lost their benefits and not a freaking peep about that from anyone in the WH.

The *concern* for those people are suddenly now a big thing? But the 99ers can go sleep under a bridge -- they've been disappeared.

Smacks to high heavens of using the ui as cover for allowing tax breaks. :shrug:

[phleshdef]

6. I feel for the 99ers. But we have to have a limit somewhere to substain the program.

I wouldn't oppose raising the cap on it to be more than 99 weeks, but if it wasn't the 99ers, then it would be the 150ers that we are talking about or something like that. We can't do everything.

[Donnachaidh]

11. too bad there isn't a *limit* on what this admin will do for Wall Street.

I find it obscene that ANYONE here on DU is willing to *draw limits* on the working class and the poor. Especially in this economy. But it's fitting -- it seems that empathy is lacking in a percentage of our country. And that is WHY we won't pull out of this for a very long time.

[Liberalynn]

14. I totally agree with you.

[laughingliberal]

21. +1000 nt

[mod mom]

15. How about a limit on outsourcing jobs oversea to increase profit

margins for the obscenely rich? These workers lost their jobs due to Washington policy. Can't do everything? Should we become a real 3rd world country with beggars and thieves scrambling for survival? Have you checked to see if you have a heartbeat recently?

[Donnachaidh]

16. that's already happening

Here in Atlanta beggars are on all major thoroughfares, no matter what the weather. And thieves are stealing everything they can that is metal - including important fire department connectors to apartment sprinkler systems. It's bein played in the news that these folks are the bad guys -- but it's a sign of the desperation out there.

We got a guy who promised the moon to get into the WH -- who is now backing the play of the people who caused this meltdown.

[mod mom]

17. I would love to see a Bernie Sanders challenge Obama.

I just don't understand how cold hearted folks can be. "They've got theirs" mentality will be the downfall of this country. Shameful.

I've been keeping singles in my purse for years to distribute. It is unbelievably heart breaking. :(

[Donnachaidh]

18. I'd love that too - but we NEED him in the Senate

I'd like to see Grayson primary Obama. That might surprise lots of people.

[Little Star]

19. Limit the outsourcing of jobs!

Now that would be a policy I could get behind. Why aren't Dem's pushing for this?

[glitch]

7. +4,000,000. nt

[JamesA1102]

9. Exactly.

A lot of these people rather stand on principle to make themselves feel good while regular people wind up being the victims.

[bullwinkle428]

2. I just posted a thread at nearly the same moment -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9719005

:toast:

[Cant trust em]

4. Let's see if the democrats filibuster then.

Let's see if they're all talk or not.

[Duer 157099]

8. Fact is, they've pass the UI extension many times in the past

They do it EVERY time, and they would have done it again. We just needed to keep pressing the issue hard, not just take one vote and then meekly slink away and capitulate to their every demand.

NO QUESTION they would have passed it, even without ANY concession. None. At. All. Otherwise, they'd all have hell to pay back home over the holidays, and they KNOW that.

[BzaDem]

13. They would have passed it for a month.

Then in January, we would only have 53 Senators, plus Snowe and Collins. That's not enough to extend them for a day. They would get through the holidays, and then they would expire.

Keep in mind Republicans killed unemployment benefits for weeks in the summer. The only two that ever supported it were Snowe and Collins.

[BzaDem]

12. Sherrod Brown is naive. He said the same stuff about the public option, how Lieberman "wouldn't

tell 56 Democrats that they couldn't get their policy," etc. He is always wrong in these predictions.

[Supersedeas]

20. the Hostage metaphor revisted -- terrorism...even the threat of terrorism works

Following the President's metaphor, the Republicans are holding the American people hostage for the sake tax cuts for the superwealthy.

During the hostage crisis, principaled Democrats demanded that the Republican be forced to vote on single issues of unemployment benefits prior to Christmas break, to vote on the single issue of tax breaks for the middle class prior to the Christmas break, to vote on Start prior to the break, to vote on the repeal of DADT prior to the break.

Loud narrow-minded Republican responded by THREATENING to filibuster anything and everything that did not have a super-tax cut for the superwealthy.

What should a person in charge do when faced with this hostage scenario?

On the ground, at the hostage scene, a few Republicans are threating, threatening the unemployed, the middleclass, and foreign treaties, and everything with a filibuster. On the ground, at the hostage scene, principaled Democrats radio the President about the threat---a few Republicans are wearing trench coats and threatening to shoot the hostages.

What should the person in charge order the principal soldiers to do in response to a few Republicans in trench coats...negotiate, press forward, attack, risk the lives of those held hostage? The principal soldiers on the ground demand that we press forward and make the hostage takers show us whether they are even armed--will they really shoot the unemployed before Christmas...to they even have any weapons hidden in their trench coats.

What should a person in charge do when faced with this hostage scenario when a few trench coat draped terrorist are threatening innocent people with trench coats for the benefit of the super wealth?

Well, I think we should force the small band of trench coats to at least show us that they are armed.

But instead, the President cedes to the threat of a few trench coats, capitulates to the demands of the terrorist, who may not have been armed in the first place, then...and here is the kicker...THEN

turns the guns and the propoganda against those who had the NERVE to demand that the trench coats show us their arms. Instead of confronting the trench coats, the President and his fan boys are assaulting the principaled soldiers who were there at the hostage scene staring down the small band of terrorists.

And the fragging continues in the Corp Media, from the White House podium, and right in...in DU.

So much for principal.

[ddeclue]

22. That's called the Johnson Treatment as in LBJ...

of course Obama doesn't know anything about it.