I will never regret having voted for the Democrat in the 2008 Presidential election

[WatchWhatISay]

But I now regret that I voted for the wrong candidate in the 2008 Democratic primary.

I cannot believe I'm having to say this.

[dennis4868]

1. so you are saying that...

another dem president could have overcome a DEFINITE repub fillubuster in the senate for any increase in taxes on the wealthy....

[Toucano]

6. Obama empowered the Republicans when he let the Bush 6 walk free.

There are consequences to allowing criminals to go free. It tells their cohorts that you're not going to stop them either.

[dennis4868]

8. Just imagine Obama prosecuting Bush and his thugs...

NOTHING WOULD GET DONE IN CONGRESS AT A TIME WHEN THE COUNTRY WAS FALLING APART ECONOMICALLY (700,000 jobs lost a month at the end of 2008 and into 2009).....

[Toucano]

40. Bullshit.

That's an absurd assumption.

The government is capable of doing more than one thing at a time.

It happens every single day.

[sudopod]

10. they could have taken it to the media and the streets

and made the hateful motherfuckers actually filibuster instead of threatening. Also, they could have done it before the last goddamn minute.

So yeah, it's possible.

[dennis4868]

15. first of all.....

the media has never helped the dems...so what r u talkinf about. And taking it to the streets....we did not take it to the streets when Bush sent troops to die for a lie in Iraq....plus, repubs don't give a shit what the people want, they want power and to do this they obstruct in congress NO MATTER WHO THE PRESIDENT IS.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. I truly imagined the millions in the streets

If you are going to lie, at least don't lie about THAT.

[dennis4868]

19. I did not lie....

I am just saying no matter who would be the dem president people would not take to the streets and even if it did it WOULD NOT CHANGE THE REPUBS MIND NO TO FILLUBUSTER....like I said, they don't give a shit about what the people want and they would, withiut a doubt, continue to fillubuster Obama's plan to cut taxes on the middle class only...NO MATTER WHO WOULD BE PRESIDENT NOW - IT WOULD MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS LONG AS THE DENATE ALLOWS A FILLUBUSTER....

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. Yes you did....

And taking it to the streets....we did not take it to the streets when Bush sent troops to die for a lie in Iraq.

That is what you posted.

As to the repubs, don't worry this time they just took six million hostage... soon will be 300.... let's see how this hostage negotiator deals with THAT.

[sudopod]

24. THANK you!

for everything you do! nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. It is all of us who are needed

and we shall need to take to the streets soon again. Tomorrow I am manning phone lines AGAIN, in the hope of getting through.

[dennis4868]

36. I never saw MILLIONS taking to the STREETS

Yes, there were protests but never saw one single protest where millions were there in the streets like you now see in Europe....so I did not lie....by the way, to prove I am lying you have to show more than a mistake on my part....how could you know I am lying.... Are you in my head?

[sudopod]

38. *facepalm* nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. So I imagined the over two million in New York?

Or was that York in the UK and CNN was confused when reporting this high concentration of people down a steel canyon?

Look even CNN reported on that...

By the way the demonstration in Los Angeles was CLOSE to a million... or was that Puebla de los Angeles in Mexico that they were showing me with English signs and everything?



You are going out of your way to spread a LATTER media meme... and none of us who were there are buying the bullshit.

For the record I wasn't there, since I was in Honolulu HI, where there were over 10K in the streets. If you bother to look up the population of the state you will realize why that *IS* a high number for Hawaii.

Now perhaps my math is faulty but that IS millions

[demwing]

21. Definite Bullshit

But now we'll never know how long it would have lasted, if it ever began at all

[tinrobot]

26. The other Dem candidate's husband faced a similar dilemma

He let the GOP shut down the government and used the situation to turn public opinion against them. He got his way in the end.

She probably would have done something similar.

[hlthe2b]

2. In all fairness (while defending no one, I am just asking....)....

why do you think Clinton would have been significantly different in policies? While my kneejerk assumption is that she would have been a tougher opponent to the RW, she'd spent her Senatorial time reaching across the aisle, so, she might well have had a tendency to (overly) reach out as well.

[aquart]

4. But her reaching out was to make them come over to her side.

[dennis4868]

7. hahaha...

repubs will never come to the side of a dem president....they learned their lesson in the 1990s....NO MATTER WHO THE DEM PRESIDENT IS - THE REPUBS WILL FILLUBUSTER 24/7 IF THE LEGISLATION WILL HELP THE COUNTRY....

[aquart]

29. I agree. ANY president would have been treated this way.

The difference, of course, would have been how that president reacted.

Obama becomes spaghetti.

[dennis4868]

37. I think any dem president....

Would have reacted the same because it's not Democratic to ignore the millions who need unemployment insurance. Obama is taking a political hit now because of the millions he is looking after who have no job and are probably in the process of losing their home.....Obama is simply a very special person but I think other dem presidents would have compromised and not allow the 10% tax bracket go up to 15% in January....that would ne a disaster....

[aquart]

42. A "special person"?

Seriously?

[MindandSoul]

3. I do think that Hillary has more balls than President Obama

And that makes me sad. . .I did like Hillary. . .I even supported her in the primary
But, I was totally happy with President Obama being elected.

Today, I'm just sad, and angry
And I'm afraid it's just the beginning!

[somone]

9. Hillary is a tough cookie

She would not have given away the store - time after time - for no good reason - like Obama

[tinrobot]

27. She at least knew where the bodies were buried.

[BlueCheese]

5. Yeah, I fell for that whole Gravelanche thing too.

Just kidding around.

[napi21]

11. I voted for Obama & I dont regret it one minute! I had this discussion

with a Dem cousin of mine a few weeks ago. Do you really believe Hillary wuld have gotten any less opposition? They hate him because he's basck, they'd hate her because she's a woman. The Pubs HATE ALL DEMS! Understand that nd work a way to smash the Pubs, not the Dem. Prez. I question if HIllary wou;dn't have been worse BECAUSE she's a woman & the Pubs wouldn't have to pretend guilt feelings for being racist. We'll never know for sure but I don't think there would have been any diff. in the outcome. We'd still be in the samne situation s we are now and always will be because Pubs are simply nasty, mean, hateful people, nd that kind of action is not in a Dem DNA.

[donheld]

18. "Hillary wuld have gotten any less opposition?"

It would be worth giving it a shot. Plus I'd hope she'd have fought republicans as hard as she fought Obama. We all know she fought him tooth and nail.

[napi21]

28. Remember Bill C. and how he triangulated. Do you really think Bill

wouldn't have coached her in her decisions as Pres? Comon, give me a break. I know any decision I have to make I ask my husband what he thiks, and HIllary would too. I honestly don't believe there would be any difference in how the pubs tread ANY Dem. Prez. They'd try to bury whoever it was.

[donheld]

31. When you're as disappointed as I am you look at past options.

Obama has disappointed in ways I never thought possible. I very much doubt Hillary would have been as cowardly as Obama is. And, no I was not a Hillary supporter in the primary. Very much the opposite.

[napi21]

12. Delete

[napi21]

13. Delete

[davidinalameda]

14. Hillary might have reached across the aisle more but that's not a bad thing

she built relationships that Obama never had and will never have

I don't think that we would have lost the House if Hillary was president

[UrbScotty]

16. Want to switch places? I didn't get to vote for him! (I'm in Michigan)

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. While I understand the sentiment

and I sent this precise message to him today in a packet...

There is a logic of Empire and it really does not matter who is elected. That logic drives all at this point and it will get much worst.

Yes, this means that any change will have to happen through MOVEMENT politics and realize that as the Empire falls apart... things will get much worst.

Go ahead, call me cynical... but it is the same way as when I was an 18 year old voting for the first time in Mexico. It really don't matter anymore.

Now that does not mean that I will vote for a Republican, but reality is I don't expect hope or change from a democrat. In fact, I have no fucking clue what this party stands for anymore.

[VMI Dem]

23. I'm proud to say I didn't vote for him in the primary.

[emilyg]

30. That makes two of us.

[AndrewP]

39. I was happy to vote for Hillary Clinton

Still am

[AtomicKitten]

32. LOL.

[hfojvt]

33. I don't think Hillary would have been any better

I did not see a lot of concern for poor people in her campaign, and I remember all too well how often Bill Clinton betrayed the left as well.

Remember, remember the tax cuts of 1997. In 1995, the tax rate om the richest 400 people (the Fab 400) in America was 29.93% by 1998 it had fallen to 22.02% saving those ultra-rich people an average of $8.74 million.

I still like Edwards, and in fact did vote for him in the caucus, in a symbolic vote, but if the affair had come out during the campaign it would have killed us.

[kath]

34. But WAS there actually a Democratic candidate in Nov. 2008?

Or just two Republicans?

We've been had.

[Liquorice]

35. I'll always be happy I voted for Hillary in the primary. She would have been a great president. nt

[dionysus]

41. ah, today's version of this post...