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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:50 AM
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Where you stand has much to do with where you are sitting.
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 10:09 AM by kentuck
If you are dependent upon your unemployment benefits, then you probably look at the taxcut bill a little different than someone who has a job or a steady income flow.

If you are very wealthy and are looking to pass on your billions of dollars to your worthless bloodline, then you are probably very interested in the debate over the estate tax in the tax bill. Who says you can't take it with you?

If you are making $25,000 per year, you may support the taxcut bill because you need that $8-$10 per week. That is real money to you. However, you will be disappointed if you have to pay it back at tax time.

If the taxcut means millions of dollars more for your investment portfolio, then it probably is very important to you.

Also, if you believe in a social safety net for all the people, including Social Security, and believe that we are giving away too much of our national wealth to the very rich and it is short-sighted to look at this in any way except a long lens, then you may be opposed.

It depends on where you are presently sitting.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:55 AM
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1. If you are retired and receiving SS and Medicare you
get nothing from this and you are worrying about how much more they will cut your benefits when it comes to pay for almost another trillion in debt.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:57 AM
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2. Unemployment compensation is not a concern for me personally.
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 10:32 AM by RandomThoughts
Me personally, it does not help. Nor does tax cuts or tax raises. None of that effects me. Although I can think on what parts are better or worse, and do think on concepts, but unemployment compensation for me is not the correction. Although I do go out and throw out any money that ends up in my hands by unemployment compensation, it does not change, nor correct any of the situation that needs correcting in my situation, especially after so many years.


I have not advocated for unemployment compensation for me, nor worry about it, it is not what is due to me either. After so many years, what is due to me is far beyond, unemployment compensation, and that can not set things correct, also why I do not believe or think justice and compassion have been restored by an unemployment check, when I do get some unemployment compensation that does not correct the situation.

I do think unemployment compensation for many people is a good idea, for those that are bridging a period of unemployment, I am not doing that. I am trying to reestablish justice and compassion, or not accept lack of justice and lack of compassion, so that correction can not be through a temporary payment in my situation.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:59 AM
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3. Very random.
Indeed.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 10:01 AM
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4. He Or She Seems Nice Enough But Isn't Clarity The Goal Not Randomness
Oh, unemployment insurance is not the dole. It's what it's name say it is.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 10:07 AM
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5. Corrected that, you are correct it is not a dole.
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 10:08 AM by RandomThoughts
I guess I am saying that any thought of correction also requires payment of legal fees, punitive damages, and payment for pain and suffering. Although that is a different topic then what I have been thinking on for last decade, on that other issue that is how I think of it.

Basically when talking about the correction for what was done years ago, some think that the correction for false accusation is to just say whoops, and walk away, I don't see that as correction, nor would that be rebuilding of justice and compassion.

Some say the payment is the years of learning, however that came from the side that helped me to stand in that day. So it is inaccurate to say my learning is payment, I make the claim that if anything, payment would be for them to begin to teach through transparency and better education.
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 11:19 AM
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6. At present, I'm sitting in front of the "puter. When it breaks, I won't
be able to afford another; in a bit, I will head off to my PT job where I will shuffle around the work product so some can reap the benefits of belonging to their "club" that I am not eligible to join. I probably could search for a FT slot in another club, though being of a certain chronological status, my application to join will probably end up in a circular file. (An applicant I know was only recently told the employer was looking for someone to stay "forever.") By the time I'm eligible to collect my "insurance" and the reduced benefits of a bloody insurance company, coverage will have been reduced to an amount that won't provide for my eventually terminal needs. So, kiss off being an informed aware citizen, it won't matter.

Still breathing, should I lean on my children, a government dole, or some dupe who will hire me into a low-skilled position out of empathy and compassion (or is it they will get a tax break, charitable or not?) for the uncertified skills I've used for the past 40 years (I afforded a 2-yr degree without school loan debt, and that's another story in futility of effort.) while they slowly stole my ability to be an independent contributing gainfully employed citizen who once owned a home, once had a decent FT job, managed to raise children who are employed and struggling with finding a way to avoid the burglars of their souls too. Shall I ditch my not-always loving spouse at some point to move forward alone in this struggle; change your lover/change your life?

I have contemplated self-sacrifice on their altar of greed, but I can't say that would change things. Should we organize and gather, all the better to become targets for shipping to their institutions much as Holocust victims were forced to self-identify and congregate, or hide out below their scrutinous Orwellian surveillance?

When they're done with us, the real "eaters" will come for the lowest level left or those they can villify into less than humans.

I say, just shoot me (us) now and get it over with; let the carnage move higher - the outrage will last a whole 20 minutes - then business as usual.

I hear your angish in planning a path for the remainder of your life; I'm having the same trouble.

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