"Yes, we can?" No, it turns out that we can't.

[Redstone]

I'm probably the last DUer who would be willing to criticize President Obama, but there you have it.

I weep for my country. My beloved America has devolved even further into the politics of greed than I had thought possible during the Dark Days of the you-know-who regime.

Mr Obama, you were our hope. We thought you to be the last bastion of courage, and you turned out to not be so.

Goodbye, my dream of America.

Redstone

[FiveGoodMen]

1. Yes we could have if we'd really wanted to

By "we" I mean those with the official power to do anything.

I won't mention any names, I'll just look at 1600 Penn Ave and whistle.

[Jackpine Radical]

2. Well, no, you're not the last.

I can think of at least 4 holdouts now.

[Redstone]

4. Talk to me, and name names, please. I think I know who you're referring to,

but I can't keep up completely. There are, yes, some courageous holdouts in the congress / senate, including my fellow Vermonter Bernie?

Redstone

[Jackpine Radical]

9. I meant holdouts on DU.

The names here are pretty obvious. I don't think it would be appropriate to name them. In fact several are people whom I respect and care for, although I think they're permitting their loyalty and deency to be abused.

[Mike 03]

3. I thought I was the last DU'er who could ever criticize Obama.

I am very unhappy with current developments. I know this man, President Obama, is brilliant and well-intended, but something is obviously not right.

And it is not just his fault; it is our own party, and it is the Repukes, and it is the general trend in the air towards implosion.

[Jackpine Radical]

10. The whole damn country is headed straight for the manure pit,

and nobody in power has the guts to point it out and grab the wheel to steer us away from a truly shitty future.

[Bluerthanblue]

14. your last line is the KEY. as is the first one in Redstone's-

everybody wants to pin this on Pres.Obama.


Where is the "we" in that?
This isn't a dictatorship, empire, or monarchy.

Why didn't congress take up the tax issue earlier if it was so simple?

What could anyone- any president you could imagine- honestly get accomplished given the circumstances?

I think we all need to back off and really look at the situation rationally.

Pres. Obama is taking all the shit for this, he isn't shying away, yet yesterday when he explained WHY he believed this was the best way to go many people balked- they don't have any alternative plan that has a ghost of a chance of working, and they don't like the reality, so they choose to pin it all on him. The mess we are in isn't his fault, it's everyones fault.

[martymar64]

17. It's our grave error that we nominated and elected him

He is clearly not up to the task.
He sucks as a negotiator.
He needs to resign and let Biden take over. At least he has a pair.

[Autumn]

5. Actually it turn out that "No we won't."

Big difference.

[Redstone]

15. Thank you for noting the difference- also to griffi94 for doing so.

Redstone

[Bluebear]

28. Indeed.

[griffi94]

6. or "no we won't"

either way the reality of president obama is certainly different than the hype of candidate obama.

[Ezlivin]

7. He's playing 11-dimensional chess on a board with fractal topology

with one hand.

Just wait until he gets the other hand in play. You just wait....

[ArcticFox]

8. Glad to hear even the strongest stalwart has realized it is hopeless

Now the question is what to do about it.

[Redstone]

12. What to do about it? All I can think of is to vote. That I did,

and it seemed to accomplish nothing.

Do you have any words of encouragement? Those would be welcome, indeed.

Redstone

[bobbolink]

24. I'm sorry for your sense of betrayal. I went through that during the Vietnam era, and I know how

painful it is. That is why some of us aren't saying "We told you so"---we know the pain involved.

However, there is MUCH MORE to do than "vote", and maybe that is your takeway in all of this mess.

What there is now is MOVEMENT POLITICS rather than PARTY POLITICS.

Harder, but more to the point.

[cottonseed]

11. America never dies. It just evolves. Things will change. Ebb and flow and all that.

That is why you'll be back here again and again and again mourning the death of America. A country and culture is a big thing. It doesn't just go away that easily. No matter what Keith may say.

[Redstone]

13. Wise words. Thank you for introducing the perspective.

Redstone

[martymar64]

18. America the continent and American people will still be here

The United States as a sovereign nation may be on it's way out, just like the Soviet Union, and the Third Reich.

It may be high time for us to break up as a country and at least salvage part of it for progressive values. The Red States can go rot in their Republican hellholes.
Hail Cascadia!

[donheld]

16. It's still yes we can

but no we won't

[jesus_of_suburbia]

19. "I'm probably the last DUer who would be willing to criticize President Obama"

:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:




Nope. You aren't even on the radar. I could give you a list (but I won't because it's against DU rules) of people who would never criticize him.... but you aren't one of them.

[bomberman]

20. Oh the drama!

I swear some of you would rather have people put on the streets than budge even a little.

[Redstone]

21. "...Some of you?" If we're "you," why are you here?

Redstone

[undeterred]

22. Well actually we Can, but we Won't.

[AuntPatsy]

23. You would be pleasantly surprised what "WE" could do if we took the time

And worked for it, the problem is not enough of "WE" care enough to do what obviously needs to be done, the days of expecting any elected official to do the right thing and follow through has been long gone like it or not, it is entirely up to "WE" the people if we honestly want the change we so desperately Need

[bobbolink]

25. You are exactly right on all counts.

Those of us who cut our political teeth during the Vietnam era know there is so much that can be done.

But, we are just useless boomers who need not be heard. :(

[Mike 03]

26. No, you are not the last person to criticize Obama.

I criticize him for the war in Afghanistan, which is pointless beyond belief. And other things as well.

[BlueIris]

27. I still can't agree that he was the last bastion of hope. I'm still very

resentful that we allowed the MSM (and the candidates, for that matter) to characterize him this way. The difficult part for me is that those Democrats I did have hope for have trashed up their own reputations pretty good by getting embroiled in this mess. That's going to make it difficult, if not impossible, for them to get anything done, let alone anything hopeful, in the future.