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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 06:45 AM
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1943 tax data -- how much did the wealthy used to pay?
Back in 1943, with friends of the fortunate in Congress doing their best to ease the war-time tax burden on America’s wealthy, FDR asked the IRS to research how many taxpayers were making over $67,000, about $1 million in today's dollars.

The IRS would go ahead and compile the list FDR wanted. But the IRS did more than just identity the 2,090 taxpayers who collected income over $1 million, inflation adjusted, in 1941. The IRS list also indicated how much of each wealthy taxpayer's reported income had gone to federal income tax...

The newly released 1943 data make for absolutely stunning reading. We have simply never had clearer evidence of just how much America used to expect out of individual wealthy Americans — and just how little, by comparison, we expect out of our wealthy today.

We learn, for instance, that 1941's top executive at IBM, Thomas Watson, collected $517,221 in compensation that year, about $7.7 million in current dollars. Watson paid 69 percent of his total 1941 income in federal income tax.

Last year, today's chief exec at IBM, Sam Palmisano, took home $24.3 million for his executive labors. We don’t know how much income above that sum Palmisano reported in 2009, or exactly how much of that total he paid in taxes.

But we do know that the 13,374 Americans who reported incomes over $10 million in 2008, the latest year with IRS stats available, paid an average 24.1 percent of their taxable incomes in federal income tax....Watson in 1941 paid almost three times more of his income in federal income taxes than Palmisano likely paid in 2009.

Democracy cannot be safe, President Franklin Roosevelt warned Congress in 1938, “if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself.”

The richest 1.5 percent of Americans, FDR would go on to note in that 1938 message, were raking in as much income as everyone in America’s bottom 47 percent combined.

Our contemporary super rich, research from Berkeley economist Emmanuel Saez documents, are actually taking home a substantially higher share of America's income than their counterparts back in FDR's time.

Americans of FDR's time worried deeply about the concentration of economic power. Today, 70 years later, we have cause for concern even greater.

http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010124805/tax-rich-lesson-finally-goes-public








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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 06:48 AM
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1. k&r nt
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 06:59 AM
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2. Recommend
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 07:00 AM
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3. Duped myself. Nt
Edited on Thu Dec-09-10 07:01 AM by xchrom
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 07:09 AM
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4. i fear we have reached a point where we the little people cannot stop it.
they have overtaken our political system, clogging it with cronies all the way through the system. judges, representatives, media.... you name it. it feels like our last voice, the internet will soon be overtaken too if net neutrality is not made a reality. you try to explain to people but they just don't see it. do they not care?!?! they are going to care when they are living in their car because the rich decided they make too much again. and then it will be too late.
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 08:33 AM
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9. George Carlin was not exaggerating.
George Carlin - The Owners of This Country

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXWzSwZ_wPs
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 08:37 AM
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10. +1
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 07:10 AM
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5. What did they pay in 1913?
:shrug:
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 07:25 AM
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6. 7%. But ONLY the wealthy paid.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 01:04 AM
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13. Extraordinarily low tax rate followed by the crash
When the rich began paying their fare share the country prospered. Oh yeah, and they created tons of jobs while being taxed at the much higher rate.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 08:23 AM
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7. k&r
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 08:28 AM
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 12:51 AM
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 12:57 AM
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 01:27 AM
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14. wow
but I wish I had data from the 1970s - pre Reagan. The current conventional wisdom is that even though the top rate was 70% that people did not pay that much because of all the loopholes. My thinking is that if you made $1 million in those days that you were probably already taking advantage of all the loopholes there were, meaning that if you got another million, that you would pay $700,000 in taxes. Creating a disincentive for higher salaries. Although $7.7 million does not really sound low to me.
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