It's time to call them what they are, 'Obama's tax cuts for the rich'.

[Dawgs]

The bill does nothing for those that have jobs.
It does nothing for those that want jobs.
It does nothing for the working poor.
It hurts social security.
It increases our debt for no reason.
It makes Obama weaker.
It make the Republicans happy.
It demoralizes the left.
It does nothing for the 99ers.

All for getting unemployment insurance; which could have been gotten by not giving in to the evil Republicans.

It's just sad.

[jtown1123]

1. K&R. Here is an interesting article about how unemployment benefits were't really extended at all

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/all-bets-are-without-real-unemploymen

[Autumn]

2. I agree with every point you make.

but it's worse than sad.

[somone]

3. He is the president

[Poboy]

4. recommend

[quinnox]

5. I prefer Bush/Obama tax cuts for rich but Obama tax cuts for rich

work too. He does have responsibility for it after all if it passes.

[Bluerthanblue]

6. yes it IS just sad-

that you keep spreading lies and garbage.

[Bluerthanblue]

7. yes it IS just sad-

that you keep spreading lies and garbage.

[DirkGently]

8. Yep. It's a moral loser, a pragmatic loser, a political loser, & a precursor to slashing SS. Neato

[bobbolink]

9. It does NOTHING for those on disability.

It would be nice if we were included in all these complaints. Not everyone is able to work, you know.

[H2O Man]

10. Recommended.

Thank you.

[stopbush]

11. Middle & lower-class tax cuts account for $300-B in this bill.

Rich person cuts account for $140-B.

If the tax rates go back to Clinton-era rates, the poorest people who pay fed taxes will see their rate jump 50%, from 10% to 15%.

If tax cuts for the rich are the poison pill that needs to be swallowed to give continued relief to the poor and the middle class, then I think we need to swallow that pill.

Or do you think the poor should just suck it up and live with a 50% increase in their taxes starting Jan. 1?

BTW - how does the bill "do nothing for those with jobs" and the "working poor" when a person making, say, $20k a year will see his taxes go from $2,000 a year to $3,000 a year if the rates go back to the Clinton rates? The bill actually gives that person $1,000 more a year in their pocket than they'd have if the tax cuts expire.

There's also an increase in the Earned Income Tax Credit, a credit that actually sends a check to low-wage earners with children. They will be getting more $ back from the government under this bill.

[Dawgs]

26. In the long run things will be much worse.

Little relief now is not worth all of the pain and suffering we will see in 2+ years.

[Dawgs]

36. That poison pill has kept the poor down and eliminated the middle class.

Everything in this bill was tried by the Republicans for the past 30 years and it didn't work then.

Are you people no longer Democrats?

[Cant trust em]

12. You can call it when you want, but that would be a a lie.

The middle class keep their tax cut.

[Bandit]

24. Between my wife and myself we make just under forty thousand a year

We are going to see a Tax Increase with this plan......The billionaires get their huge tax cuts adding to the Deficit/Debt while I suffer an increase.. A real Democratic Bill this one is...:shrug:

[cottonseed]

13. Why are you trying to coin terms meant to weaken the President's standing?

Is this what you're spending your time on?

If you find it disappointing can't you just talk that through. Looking all the reasons why this happened. Why spend your time creating an anti-democratic talking point?

[Dawgs]

27. Ah, so it's my fault that Obama is keeping the tax cuts for the rich.

Do you think I'm happy about this? It's not my doing.

[jaxx]

14. Sad is not recognizing the help it will bring today

and the jobs tomorrow. But vision is a gift and some got out of line when it was passed out.

[Dawgs]

28. I don't need vision when I have facts.

We've already had 30 years have trickle down economics. It didn't work then, it won't work now.

The only people that continue to think it will work are Republicans. Are you a Republican?

[dennis4868]

15. And "Obama Tax Cuts for the Middle Class" and....

"the Obama progressive Payrol Tax for the middle class," and...."the Obama unemployment benefits," and "the Obama college tax credit for students," and....

[Dawgs]

35. Okay.

:eyes:

[Cant trust em]

16. If making Obama weaker is one of your cons for this deal, then I'd suggest...

that you stop writing one-liners for his enemies.

[Dawgs]

29. It's not me who made Obama weak.

:shrug:

[Cant trust em]

38. writing tag lines for his opposition continues the trend.

Your argument seems to be "I didn't make him weak, but I do want to make him weaker."

BTW, I think there's a big difference in maintaining criticism and coming up with ways to ensure his defeat. Be opposed to the policy, but coming up with zingers is even more counter-productive.

[Dawgs]

39. I don't WANT to make him weaker, he just is.

And my pointing out the fact that they are now Obama's tax cuts for the rich are exactly that, a fact.

[Cant trust em]

41. You're clearly not trying to be factual.

If that were the case, then your title would be Obama's federal income tax cuts for everyone, but also the elimination of 2% of payroll tax, Making Work Pay, increasing EITC....

He is weak and your misleading title is making it worse.

[Goldstein1984]

17. Lots of things that were Bush are now Obama

War...
Secrecy...
Denial of due process...
The security/police state...
Empire...

People who have been paying attention won't be surprised by one more Bush/Obama policy.

[young but wise]

18. The Repukes give in on unemployment, really?

They held unemployment insurance up for two months before. What will stop them for doing it even longer?:shrug:

[Dawgs]

32. They might if Obama and the Senate Democrats had a back bone.

:shrug:

[Still a Democrat]

19. Total $900 billion package, only $133 billion for GOP priorities

The Republicans priorities (extending the Bush tax cuts for the rich and cutting the estate tax), meanwhile, will cost $133 billion...

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/12/07/tax-priorities/

[bigtree]

21. right with a larger amount for the middle-income priorities of the President

. . . $214 billion for the President's priorities outside of what republicans wanted.

[Still a Democrat]

25. If folks here looked at the $900B package, they would probably agree with all but $133 billion

We're too focused on a relatively small part.

[Dawgs]

30. I am a Democrat. I think all of the tax cuts should expire.

The country can't afford this.

[Still a Democrat]

37. I sympathize - I really do

But two compelling things to me - one, unemployment benefits. Two, I also believe we need another infusion of cash into a fragile economy, this is a stimulus through tax breaks, primarily to lower and middle income people.

There are better ways to do it, but it's a reasonable deal.

[bigtree]

20. just ignore the larger portion of money that goes to MIDDLE-INCOME tax breaks

[Dawgs]

34. How am I ignoring that?

The middle-income tax breaks are a bad deal for this country. We don't need them.

[stray cat]

22. If you make more than 20,000 you are rich? Look at the SS provision

at least get your facts straight

[stray cat]

23. Jon Stewart was right - Real facts are important - you need to factcheck your post

I'm against the bill as is - but i know what the details are

[Dawgs]

33. Where am I wrong?

We are ALL fucked in the long run if this bill passes.

[wbcarlos2012]

31. Tax Cuts vs Healthcare Bill

If the tax cut compromise passes, will it nullify the amount that the healthcare bill was supposed to cut from the debt or atleast come close to it?

[amborin]

40. K&R