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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 08:21 PM
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How can we evaluate Obama fairly while ignoring right wing talk radio?
Edited on Thu Dec-09-10 08:29 PM by certainot
Every day for 20 years, since Reagan killed the Fairness Doctrine, the Right has been putting soapboxes on every corner and stump in the country to scream that liberals and our representatives are thieves and liars and traitors. And except for picking out a few comments by the main blowhards now and again the Left has been giving the Limbaugh gang a free speech free ride.

“Obama’s head needs to roll” said Rush Limbaugh on September 10, 2008. It might have been “It’s Obama’s head that needs to roll”, I’m not sure which one. His absurd pretext for saying that was that Obama should fire himself. I complained to my local Limbaugh station (one of about 600 in the US) and may have been the only one.

In their latest victory they successfully stopped a black man in the White House from ‘stealing’ billions from America's most important white citizens.

Whatever faults Obama has, if you think you're going to get a better president in the near future without recognizing and responding to the Right's most important political and media weapon you're crazy. Everything liberals/progressives/Democrats want to do is made significantly more difficult because they ignore the talk radio monopoly. And more specifically, because they ignore the local stations that constantly blast their communities with lies, racism, and hate.

We let them sell excuses for election theft and we didn't get in the streets. We let them put corporate lawyers and religious fundamentalists on the supreme court. We let them sell torture and phone tapping for fear of a few terrorists. We let them sell the deregulation that allowed syphoning trillions of dollars from hard working Americans. We let them swiftboat good people and destroy Acorn. Without complaint.

We let them convince large parts of the country that the people who use America's infrastructure and resources the most shouldn't have to pay for it because jobs will trickle down. We let them turn a failed silver spooned AWOL frat boy into commander in chief. We let them rationalize the Bush Cheney Rove crimes. We let them lie us into Iraq and equate single payer with communism. We let them threaten and push around our representatives. Without complaint.

Without complaint, students and faculty let their institutions of higher learning broadcast athletic events on radio stations that also broadcast racism and global warming denial on a daily basis. Our unions and progressive and environmental organizations protest at state capitols and get no press while the RW radio stations reach much larger audiences to insult the protesters and distort their message. For those outraged by US torture, how can you let Limbaugh sell his Club Gitmo T-shirts and coffee mugs from your local Limbaugh station without complaining to that station's local sponsors?

Without complaint. When the Left does complain it's often after it's already been pounded into the earholes of 50 MIL Americans and moved into another medium. The collective Left walks by those soapboxes with its fingers in its ears, turns the dial, slides in another CD.

Every day the right wing think tanks use their giant megaphone to feed coordinated and well-timed lies, distortions, and distractions to the rest of the media. They create their own reality so that made-to-order pro-corporate constituencies can scream 2+2=3 at town hall meetings. Irrational, hypocritical, and lying politicians become enabled and acceptable merely because they ride the same talking points bandwagon. Everything the GOP does depends on unchallenged talk radio power.

Obama doesn't have the bully pulpit. Forget trying to get Democrats to 'message' or frame better. If they get any real traction or get lucky with truth and common sense the think tanks notice and counter it. With their giant soapbox they can usually lie, distort, distract, and yell over it. Whether it takes a day or a month.

Whether you want a sports analogy or not, here it is. The Left is playing without a front line, doesn’t know it, and screams that their fallen quarterback is a wimp.
Forget media deregulation and election reform or any other major reform before we fix the radio. Forget bipartisanship or real democracy. Forget sane reactions in national emergencies.

It's too late and probably impossible to get some new Fairness Doctrine, whether you want it or not. And global warming won't wait for the Left to break through the well protected monopoly and get more progressive radio stations.

But Americans must stop giving right wing radio a free speech free ride, especially after the Citizens United ruling. It only works because it is essentially unchallenged, with the national talkers well protected by call screeners.

Protest, complain to local sponsors, and expose its carnival barkers as the liars they are. Give them the blame they deserve for selling us this disaster. Challenge their credibility on a national level. Recognize Limbaugh as the most powerful man in the GOP - there's no one they're more afraid of pissing off.

As long as the collective 'Left' ignores the radio problem it cannot fairly say it got its representatives' backs. Or Obama's. Neither can it fairly evaluate their performance.
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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 08:27 PM
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1. Oh. Hell. Yes. Thank you. n/t
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 08:30 PM
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2. It's not just the radio problem. It's the M$M problem, and
that in turn is the Gluttonous International Corporation problem. M$M and talk radio and most other media are the propaganda wing of the Corporate Hegemony.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 08:39 PM
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9. yeah but it starts with the radio- only radio can do the
groundwork repetition needed to 'catapult the propaganda'.

fox can't do that nor can it be done in print- paper or internet- there are too many choices, too easy to move on.

but in most parts of the country there are no alternatives for politics while driving or working.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:30 PM
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20. I don't think Rush has all that many listeners, at least
as a proportion of the voting population. Here's some data from about a year ago. I'm throwing in Hannity, Savage & Ingraham.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/06/AR2009030603435.html

Harrison's own calculation -- that Limbaugh typically attracts about 14.25 million listeners weekly -- is based on Arbitron figures from about 30 cities and spot checks of a similar number of stations. Harrison stands by his guess even though Limbaugh's program is heard on more than 600 stations across the country. "Once you get below the big markets, doesn't add up to critical mass," he said.

No matter the exact figure, Harrison says Limbaugh's weekly audience eclipses all other nationally syndicated personalities, including conservatives Sean Hannity (13.25 million), Michael Savage (8.25 million) and Laura Ingraham (5.5 million), according to the magazine's "rough projections."

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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 11:08 PM
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22. talk radio keeps the GOP in line- makes bipartisanship impossible
add them up, and figure most have an interest in politics. and the dittoheads are the ones talking loudly at the pie counter in the morning.

and they scream into the phones on cue and all repeat the same talking points.

the are a made-to-order anti democratic pro-corporate constituency. and at the fundraisers they're the jerks who might be holding an envelope of money or a knife- that is the what keeps the GOP in line.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 11:24 PM
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23. PS- limbaugh is the point man for all those put together
it's a well coordinated team- they all get the same talking points and work them in their own ways - the general audience is huge.

there's that picture, with limbaugh and rumsfeld- limbaugh was the head salesman for that trillion dollar disaster that rumsfeld and other death dealers made billions over. the others took over the same job when he retired to his divan every day.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 08:31 PM
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3. A not inconsiderable proportion of his listenership is liberal. That listenership means more money.
More money means more right-wing talk shows.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 08:31 PM
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4. The media are owned by the right. The Dems have known this for years.
The last meaningful effort to address the problem that I'm aware of was a bill introduced by Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-NY) several years ago. Not only did it languish in Congress, I couldn't even get DU'er's interested.

I'm not saying give up.

I'm saying I've had to conclude that at least some so-called Dem pols just don't give a dam' as long as someone's financing their campaigns.

And why more DU'er's don't prioritize media reform, I have no idea.

But I agree with you, progress is unbelievably more difficult when most of the media are against us.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 09:28 PM
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16. but i'm also saying that radio is what moves the rest of the media right
with its uncontested repetition to 50mil a week it is often what drives and steers the rest of the media, determining what is and what isn't acceptable.

every day it sets up a smorgasbord of prechewed talking points politicians and the rest of the media can pick through. they know instinctively by the end of the day they've been pounded into the earholes of tens of millions, with virtually no real time challenge or fact checking.

rw radio can create the kind of buzz every day that madison avenue can only dream of. the coordinated monopoly is like a giant national 24 hour advertisement working for our largest corporations and their paid sycophants in washington. and it is the radio 2x4 that keeps the GOP in line and scares the crap out of those limbaugh-state blue dogs.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 08:34 PM
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5. When you can figure out what to do about it, let us know because there is nothing more
Edited on Thu Dec-09-10 08:35 PM by jillan
many of us want than to stop the lies.

Great post, btw.


edit for typo.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 08:50 PM
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10. suggestions for fixing the radio
Protest, complain to local sponsors, and expose its carnival barkers as the liars they are. Give them the blame they deserve for selling us this disaster. Challenge their credibility on a national level. Recognize Limbaugh as the most powerful man in the GOP - there's no one they're more afraid of pissing off.

Also: someone needs to provide a searchable database of the daily transcripts of the main local and national liars. limbaugh gets fist dibs on talking points and he gets to break a lot of the propaganda campaigns to increase his certitude. there is no excuse for progressives to keep getting surprised by GOP campaigns that usually start on radio. too often the Left ends up responding too late, after it finally shows up in the mainstream, and then blames the GOP successes on Fox.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 09:09 PM
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14. PS- it's easy fun to call local sponsors- few i've spoken to defend limbaugh
or the others.

most are making a business decision, reaching the most listeners, and believe what teh managers tell them- that limbaugh and gang are just entertainers bringing in listeners.

usually the owners or managers are surprised to be asked if they agree with the racism and global warming denial and lies. employees are sometimes surprised and pissed off to know their businesses are advertising there.

sometimes national businesses and govt agencies are placed by ad agencies and really fuck up and need to hear it- the food stamp program advertising on those stations? yes, while they make fun of food stamp recipients. and national window manufacturers (trying to sell triple paned windows) on radio stations dedicated to defeating any efforts to increase national energy efficiency.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:00 PM
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17. Media Matters is really stepping up their campaign to do this.
They just hired someone to concentrate on Beck.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 12:06 AM
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24. but they're talking beck on fox- AFTER- his radio show
his big audience is radio , where he can be even more insane and never get feedback

i fhe hadn't gone on TV he'd still be influencing many people but on fox people notice because they see his face. on radio he could have kept going on and on....
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 08:36 PM
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6. In this part of Pennsylvania, it's also the newspapers.
They're all owned by Richard Mellon Scaife. The daily diatribes against Obama, Pelosi, Rendell, any Democrat are despicable.
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 08:36 PM
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7. Believe it or not, even in this day and age, most Americans get their news from radio
and a study has shown, according to Ed Schultz sometime back, that 92% of radio programming is rightwing.

As Stephanie Miller once pointed out, the radio airwaves are controlled by corporations, and yes, there are liberal radio shows, but according to her, they get the worst bandwidth so that it's hard to listen to. I know this for a fact since I tried to listen to Air America here in Los Angeles and it was

1) hard to find; 2) had horrible reception.

I recall, back in 2005, when Keith Olbermann's "Countdown" was on, his show was grainy looking and the volume was set so low that every time there was a commercial you had to rush to lower it because it would blast out of your speakers! His show followed Hardball with Tweety, and Tweety's show was as crystal clear as Fixed News Channel's, but Tweety was very proRepublican in that time, too. Only when Olbermann's show got more popular did his show get clearer and brighter, and the volume returned to normal levels.

This is the net result of allowing private business own our airwaves and being allowed to masquerade as America's 4th Estate.

Progressives and Liberals will never get out message out in this country as long as we continue to believe, and our government continues to cater to that belief, that any of our incorporated "news" channels serve as our 4th Estate. They don't. They serve their own financial interests.

Remember, he who holds the bullhorn, gets heard. It's that simple.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 08:37 PM
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8. We Democrats can evaluate him fairly, we are not
influenced by the likes of those on right wing media. It's the rest of the message that is lost, and the Democrats in power, with the exception of one or two have ignored the fact that they are playing without a front line. They have done nothing about it for the last two years, while they have been in charge. The ones who have mentioned it have been ignored.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 08:53 PM
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11. most media analysts, strategists, politicians read, watch for information
i'll bet few ever listen to right wing talk radio. and there is no recourse to track the radio campaigns that start everything the GOP does.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 09:08 PM
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13. A lot of our leaders watch Fox news, Obama has mentioned
them, they go on Fox news and talk radio, of course they are aware of the disinformation. If media analysts, and strategists are not aware of limpballs and beck and their ilk then they are not media analysts and strategists .
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 09:12 PM
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15. they are increasingly aware but still largely ignorant, like most of the left
of how often their asses are handed to them because the radio component leads the way.

the democratic party wasn't turned into the democrat party by fox. fox didn't defeat health care reform- RW radio has been working on that since it made single payer impossible for the clintons. the list is very long.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 08:53 PM
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12. most media analysts, strategists, politicians read, watch for information
i'll bet few ever listen to right wing talk radio. and there is no recourse to track the radio campaigns that start everything the GOP does.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:00 PM
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18. The radio is a huge problem, I agree.
Edited on Thu Dec-09-10 10:44 PM by OnionPatch
It's scary to watch how easily some Dems will write off the idea that rightwing radio plays that much of a role, but those of us living in rural America know better. Most of those guys in pickup trucks are listening to that propaganda every single day. They feed it to our troops out in the field.

I don't know what the answer is, but we definitely need to do something about it.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:24 PM
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19. k&r
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:31 PM
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21. Great post nt
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 12:27 AM
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25. K & R great post on top of the media problem we don't have a fighter in the WH here's proof
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