Has Bush DAMAGED the concept of Objectivity?

[ck4829]

It's one thing to debate things and ask questions, but the Bush Administration has gone to new lows, disputing the painfully obvious and turning things they don't like into something that can be debated.

We don't have "Global Warming IS real", instead we get "Is Global Warming real? The Jury is still out on it."

It should be "Iraq is in a civil war and there is a mass exodus", but no, people are dying and the Bush Administration says "Iraq might be on the brink of a civil war, but it's not there yet, and there is no mass exodus."

Truly frightening, that one Administration could destroy the very concepts of logic and objectivity.

[Fridays Child]

1. The concept remains intact. It's just obsolete.

"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality-judiciously, as you will-we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

A senior adviser to Bush, as quoted by RON SUSKIND.

[DLnyc]

2. Objectively speaking? Yes.

But it is hard for those lost in Rove's lala land (and terrified of the larger, reality-based public) to see this, since objective reality has essentialy no effect on their delusion-based thought process.

IMHO

[MadMaddie]

3. The adminsitration is not the Media....The media has turned

Objectivity on it's head....You have mainly 5 owners of all major media sources and they are dictating how the spin is communicated to the Amrican citizens..


Take away the adminstrations mouthpiece by bringing back the "Fairness Doctrine" and break up these mega companies....you will have essentially broken this administrations megaphone....

[treestar]

4. IMO it started with Reagan

I remember in the 80s all these success tapes about how you could think yourself into wealth if you just believed in yourself. You could make affirmations and if you told yourself you were brilliant often enough you would be.

We as a culture have let sentimenatality and fantasy take over so much we were ripe for Bushco to operate on. They knew they could get people to vote by appealing to fantasies. Anybody tries to speak reality and they get marginalized quickly, because so many people do not want to face reality.

[Warren DeMontague]

5. The guy also says "The Jury is still out" on Evolution- and Evolution is SCIENTIFIC FACT.

So is global warming.

So, yes.

[shance]

6. They have done much worse. Through the element of greed, they have eroded the value of truth

being instilled in our children, citizens at large and our overall culture. When greed and survival takes precedent over civility and mutual respect and an adherence to what is fair, a society atrophies.

The men and women being sent to Iraq and Afghanistan (and potentially Iran), the people of New Orleans who have had their lives and homes stolen from them with no remorse or for that matter recourse, the surviving victims of 9/11 who suffer innumerable health problems are the prime examples of citizens who have been used and betrayed by this Administration and a complicit Congress overall.

The aftermath of such is severe.

The anger and rage that is felt for those who have betrayed these people will be potentially directed on those closest to the victims of this Administrations betrayal. The Administration will most probably will sheltered and protected from the anger and rage they deserve. That is why individuals like Cindy Sheehan and others who have shown healthy displays and direction of their anger are so important. They show the CORRECT way to channel their anger. However, many might not find that outlet and will take it out on their children, wives, business partners, their pets, whomever and that is why the cancer of greed and betrayal is so toxic. It spreads like a communicable disease.

Hate and fear begets more hatred and fear.

If it is directed correctly, then abuse can be remedied by addressing that anger and rage in the correct place and direction.

However, if those inflicting abuse avoid accountability, and even if they do face accountability, their actions will continue to have consequences for years after their abuse.

That is why the value of treatment, balance and fairness in all human beings, and the value of all creatures is so vital in the sustainment of all forms of life.

[muntrv]

7. Bush has damaged the concept that he is a homo-sapien.

[BlooInBloo]

8. It's merely the latest in a takeover trend that started back in the 60s...

... I wrote a paper on back in grad school (a Rorty-esque thing).

Nutshell: Foundationalist and representationalist approaches to knowledge and language having substantively failed, philosophers started to turn to contextual approaches. This resulted in splash damage. In a social context, hippie-type people popularized various relativist notions (good-for-me-good-for-you, and so forth). The republicans (or soon to be republicans) saw a major opportunity with this ("we can say anything we want, because it's true-for-me"). They went whole hog on it.

The rest, as they say, is history.

[Nikki Stone1]

10. So it's all the fault of philosophers. I knew it!

:evilgrin:

[BlooInBloo]

12. That's cold.

[Nikki Stone1]

16. Nah, just being philosophical about it.

Bleh!

:evilgrin:

[Canuckistanian]

9. He certainly has warped the definition

He's taken the real world with it's facts and evidence and made it subservient to a nightmarish world of lies, innuendo and bizarre conclusions.

Most of the world is just staring open-mouthed at the sheer.... "Kafkaesque-ism" of it all.

And the really spooky part is, they don't even stick to their first lies. They change stories, rationalizations and excuses more often than a set of tires at a NASCAR race.

And nobody calls them on it.

[EFerrari]

11. Has Bush ever shaked hands with objectivity?

lol

[thegreatcause2]

13. common liar

bush is a common liar.

[newyawker99]

14. Hi thegreatcause2!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[bryant69]

15. I don't think you can lay Global Warming skepticism on the feet of the Bush Adminstration

You know - they do enough bad things without us having to tie everything to them.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[TZ]

17. Most scientists I know hate Bush..

They feel (rightly I feel as well) that he and his idiot friends have started a war on the scientific method itself. You can see how long standing scientific theories suddenly are "controversial" Evolution and especially global warming...global warming has been a large field of concern for ecologists and others for over 20 years. To hear Bush spin it..its just something in the last few years thats been even noticed.:mad: