Perhaps this is why some DUers hold Cindy Sheehan in disdain:

[Freddie Stubbs]

Protesters disrupt press conference on lobbying reform

Washington Business Journal - January 3, 2007
by Kent Hoover Washington Bureau Chief

House Democrats tried to unveil their lobbying reform package today, but their press conference was drowned out by chants from anti-war activists who want Congress to stop funding the Iraq war before taking on other issues.

Led by Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a slain soldier, the protesters chanted "De-escalate, investigate, troops home now" as Democratic Caucus Chairman Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., began outlining the Democrats' plans to ban lobbyist-funded travel and institute other ethics reforms. The press conference was held in the Cannon House Office Building in an area open to the public.

Emanuel finally gave up trying to be heard over the chants, and retreated to a caucus room where Democrats were meeting.

Sheehan says she has nothing against lobbying reform, but she and her fellow anti-war activists want Democrats to know they will keep pressuring Congress to end the war in Iraq.

more: http://www.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2007/01/01/daily13.html?from_rss=1

The term 'attention whore' is too uncivil for my taste, but the idea behind it is apt for someone who crashes a Democratic press conference about a totally unrelated subject.

[MonkeyFunk]

1. I don't hold her in disdain

but I think that protest was a mistake.

[ronnykmarshall]

40. Same here.

I may have disagreed with Cindy on this, but she's hero in my book.

[nini]

50. but don't you see it is a black and white issue?

:sarcasm:

If you disagree with one little thing regarding her you are a war loving freeper. That's what makes me crazy about this whole Sheehan thing.

It's one extreme or the other for some folks here and because of that discussion goes right out the window - which is a shame.

[MonkeyFunk]

52. I couldn't agree more....

same with the Hugo Chavez threads.

God forbid anyone evaluate something and say "well, that part was good. The other part... not good." You're derided as ignorant, a freeper, a bush-bot, etc.

Black or White thinking is not only dumb, it's dangerous.

[cui bono]

63. Agreed. That coupled with my team vs. your team thinking

is the big problem in this country right now. That's what I hate about the lock step Republicans. All they want to do is have their team win no matter how their team behaves in order to win. As long as they win they don't care about the corruption, the lies, the harm to our country - which is what they are supposed to be protecting and what you would think people would care about with their voting - just win, win, win. And my team is better than your team no matter what.

It's disgusting and doesn't lead to enlightening discussions. And without those no one will change. Everybody will just dig their heels in the sand and try to be right. And it's sad to see it happening with people of which you would expect more.

[roguevalley]

80. she and her confreres disrupted many a meeting but in the end

they were right, vis-a-vis the Iraq rollover. GO, CINDY!

[Virginia Dare]

2. I would never have disdain for this brave woman...

I truly believe she is doing what she thinks is right, and I respect and applaud her for that.

However, I also feel that she has been misguided, and is being used by, certain groups with their own agenda.

[mod mom]

51. agreed.

[TahitiNut]

3. Heaven forbid a protest is disagreeable!

I hope I never lose enough brain cells to confuse issue-based activism with partisan politics. The notion that any anti-war activist regard a political party as "off-limits" to protests seems to be partisan naivete to me.

[MonkeyFunk]

4. That's not how I feel

but I feel that protest was a mistake. The press conference had nothing to do with the war, and was trying to accomplish something good, and shutting it down was counter-productive.

Similarly, Code Pink situating a very noticeable protestor behind Valerie Plame during the Waxman hearing was counter-productive, and turned a very important national conversation about the Plame affair into a discussion of Code Pink instead.

Not every protest has to disrupt something valuable.

[magellan]

7. "The press conference had nothing to do with the war"

I suspect that's why they were there protesting.

[MonkeyFunk]

15. And I believe it was counter-productive

Impeding progress on lobbying reform, or on the Plame investigation, does nothing to advance the anti-war cause. In fact, it hinders it, in my opinion.

[proud2BlibKansan]

20. BINGO!!

Anyone remember that Pelosi's now infamous first 100 hours agenda contained nothing about the war?

[robinlynne]

60. excellent answer!

[Breeze54]

12. Exactly! What is 'acceptable protest" or does that even exist?

I mean, if it's 'acceptable', then is it really a protest? :shrug:

[TahitiNut]

27. I have to wonder whether people have read Thoreau or studied Gandhi.

It's not new for me to be so perplexed, either. I had the same thoughts regarding the civil rights protests in the 50s and 60s and the anti-war protests in the 60s' and 70s and the ActUp! protests in the 80s and regarding the ecological activism of Greenpeace and ELF in the last two decades. There always seems to be a "Miss Manners" contingency sitting in the Peanut Gallery voicing some condescending disdain when all I can think is "the more the merrier!"

Democracy isn't a spectator sport. The advisory of "lead, follow, or get out of the way" always seems most apt in response to such effete fashionistas.

[MonkeyFunk]

41. and some protests are productive

and some are not.

Smart people engage in productive ones.

[Neshanic]

64. Miss Manners guide to protests. One must always protest only when that issue is present.

If the war is not being mentioned it is bad form to protest.

[Freddie Stubbs]

84. Did her interrupting that press conference convince one person to oppose the war?

Unlikely, as the only story the press covered was that anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan interrupted a Democratic press conference.

[lonestarnot]

89. Well maybe they should pay attention to what is important to Mother's with killed kids.

[Freddie Stubbs]

118. Yet that is not the only issue facing the country

[Orsino]

101. It's consistent with her very successful efforts to end the war.

I think she's been persuading people all along. The Cindy Effect has snowballed.

Emmanuel will certainly be more careful about where he shows up attempting to avoid the central issue of our time, and tht's just one more accomplishment for Cindy.

[blogslut]

5. I got one thing to say

Free Speech Zones

[IChing]

22. I got your "Free Speech Zones" right here.

[blogslut]

37. I know

How dare they? How dare they tell us we cannot gather on the town squares that our taxes pay for?

[Freddie Stubbs]

57. No one is question her legal right to speech

But some are questioning her judgment.

[Orsino]

102. No. They're upset about the number of people joining her.

Cindy alone couldn't have shouted down anybody.

[ecstatic]

6. Well, was she wrong? turns out her lack of patience with the Dems

was well grounded. Some of us tried to stay silent and wait/give them time. Look where it got us.

[genie_weenie]

76. Well, stated. I also recall Justin Raimondo of Antiwar

being bashed here on the DU while he was pointing out to the American People don't expect the Democratic Party to end the war.http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=10711

And as far as I can tell the Killing is still going on in Iraq.

[AZBlue]

86. And what reality-based solution would you have them follow? What could they have done,

given the current make-up of the house and senate and the "president's" single-mindedness? What factual, logical, real solution was there that they didn't take?

[Freddie Stubbs]

92. Or perhaps her antics push away some Democrats

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. We disrupted classes on "unrelated subjects" in the '60s.

And, made ourselves pretty "disagreeable" to the FBI and local cops.

[LoZoccolo]

10. And...? n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. And, what? She was "petitioning the government for redress of greivances".

We were exercising free speech to end the war.

Sometimes an unpopular thing to do if some find it "disagreeable" or sparks (eek!) controversy.

[BurtWorm]

24. ...and eventually put an end to the draft, lowered the voting age to 18

and put popular pressure on the government to end the war in Southeast Asia.

:patriot:

[Lone_Star_Dem]

47. That's it!

You're now on the list of those held in disdain (by a small but vocal minority) on DU. Didn't you get the memo? True activist only protest in neat, orderly and Democratically sanctioned ways! Whatever the hell that is.

There were some wild opinions being shared here on DU when this event took place. You'll be happy to know that the minority of them were in agreement that we had to take a class on the proper etiquette of protesting before being allowed our license to participate. :rofl:

[LoZoccolo]

9. Yep. n/t

[riverdale]

11. ;;

I'm good with anyone who wants to stir the pot a little and try to break the status quo. Because the status quo is sucking ass as I am certain you have noticed.

[Malikshah]

13. Some just do not get the issue and wish to beat someone when they are down

What's next, dig up Bev Harris and kick her in the teeth some more?

I was happy they protested and showed the Dems that they have to keep their eyes on the great crime of the century.

[Neecy]

18. maybe they can pile on cancer victims a little more...

Isn't that why Elizabeth Edwards stopped posting here?

[bettyellen]

79. no. we'd talk about Bev defauding us, and doing stealth fundraising here.. and not reporting

what the fuck she spent OUR money on...
how DARE you mention that sleezebucket's name in the same sentence as sheehans. bev is out for bev, and bev alone. bev is a souless, unfortunate piece of shit who hastened the death of an innocent man and made the last months of his life very painful.

[Malikshah]

95. And Cindy's case is proven once again.

I was talking about the instance of harpies and hyenas doing repeat attacks like a bunch of espresso-laden piranhas...

All caps are quite telling.

It might do some good if folks actually read the post, read the post it replied to, and try and control the baser knee jerk reactions.

But, hey...

[philosophie_en_rose]

90. Seriously, Bev Harris is nothing like Cindy Sheehan.

Cindy Sheehan does not mean as much to me as she apparently does to her true fans, but she sure as hell didn't treat anyone or do anything remotely like Bev Harris.

[Malikshah]

96. When was a comparison made between the two individuals.

The post referred to the folks playing dogpile and chewing stale bile over and over again in an extreme example of Shirley Jackson's "The Lottery."

[bettyellen]

99. Bev keeps trying to come back and defraud DUers, so people here warn the newbies about her scams...

has nothing to do with Cindy Sheehan. the two people have nothing to do with eachother- because Bev desereves the distain she gets. she keeps trying to enlist people to fundraise and or work for her here, and yeah, since she is nothing but a charlatan, we need to let people know before she steals from them also. very telling that you would compare the two, as if Bev deserved to be here or something. youre mistaken.

[Malikshah]

100. So to mention the name is criminal now?

OK...Didn't know we'd entered into Harry Potter land.

At least we avoided the allcaps this time.

It's called relevance and reason.

[bettyellen]

105. to actually comment on Bev after her name is raised is a crime, LOL...

go on, mention her all you want, but she just reaping what she sowed after not declaring her earnings, and shitting all over DU. thank god for all the screenshots of her trying to make friends with freepers and bragging about selling her book to geo bush (yes, she's THAT stupid, LOL) it blows my mind people get suckered into coming here and doing her bidding. LOL. suckers. once they get a sense of her history, they slink off embarrased usually. :hi:

[Malikshah]

106. Um...so to mention her name...BevBevBev...is to support her and do her bidding?

Oh, great googly mooglies...

I'm not, nor ever hav...scratch that.

It's beneath contempt to make to a pathetic (ir)rational leap of using "X" as an example in "Y" argument as equivalent to being "X"s flying monkey.

Not going to play someone's little recess game.

What a prime example of bringing down the level of discourse.

[bettyellen]

107. i've guess you've missed bot after bot showig up here with "reports" of important things Bev WILL DO

if... gosh darn, she only had the money. and then there's a nice little link or mention to where you can go donate to Bev. If we've seen it once, we've alerted on those morons a million times. not one dime, not one false notion that she is anything but a crook.
if you have any doubt, look into her financials. i suppose you'd like no one to warn you against pyramid schemes or making a deal with someone who emails you from Ghana. she is not better.
again, Bev has outworn her welocme here, but telling her story like it was, it always allowed. take it up with the mods.

[Malikshah]

108. Ah...it appears you still don't get the issue and still cannot see.

I won't ask for an apology, but just leave with the realization that it's just sad.

[bettyellen]

109. you should apologise for likening Bev the grifter's situation here- banned for cause

with cindy's. cindy is not looking ot line her pockets, bev is... so you don;t have a point to make, and owe bev an apology to boot.
say hi to your sleezy friend!

[Malikshah]

119. Again with the unwarranted accusations? Please, for your sake, seek help.

I'm serious.

[bettyellen]

120. so why do you think Bev was tossed out on her sleazy ass by the admins here?

she is a grifter piece of shit.
i f you think she deserves a shred of respect from anyone here, you are the one with a brain malfunction.
:hi:
she is one twisted piece of shit, and someday the wool will be lifted from over your eyes too.

[Taverner]

14. She's not the most tactical, but she's pissed

Never ever get in the way of an angry mother who just lost her son.

[EFerrari]

16. The idea of a protest is to draw attention. Go, Cindy!

[Freddie Stubbs]

19. Not all attention is positive

Sometimes it is counter productive

[EFerrari]

45. Agreed. And in this situation, there were competing goals. n/t

[mdmc]

21. tell it to Zell , my friend

Folks will bash Cindy cause she is too real!

[LSK]

23. Her only goal was attention for the IRAQ OCCUPATION

She was never in this for fame or riches. Therefore the premise of attentionwhore is completely wrong.

[BurtWorm]

29. As long as her name was mentioned in the media, resistance to the war was in the media.

:toast:

Attention for herself was besides the point. It's a shame her selfless willingness to become a symbol of a movement, considering the hell she apparently went through for it, has gotten her nothing but arrests, ill health, alienation from loved ones, a kick in the ass from some of the netroots.

[Individualist]

25. Harold, is that you?

[blondeatlast]

26. The lazy media had no missing blondes that day. She was being a citizen.

I'm no Cindy fan, but if this is all you have, don't waste my time.

[mark414]

28. hey and guess what! rahm emanuel caved in and sold us out!

looks like she didn't bother him enough

[BurtWorm]

30. As he had been planning to do all along.

(Which is probably why she chose his conference to interrupt.)

[Madspirit]

31. I Love Cindy

Go read Skinner's post.
Lee

[ComerPerro]

32. LOL, and the "I'm leaving the party" crowd wonders why we can't get shit done

this is just one of many problems that our party, with its very slim majority, faces.

[info being]

70. The dems have no problem getting *shit* done....

...in fact, that's all they ever get done...absolute shit.

[ComerPerro]

71. so take your ball and go home, or grow up

[PVnRT]

33. What? Criticizing Cindy? You must be a NEOCON WAR SUPPORTER

Because, as we all know, Cindy IS the anti-war movement, and if you are not with her, you are against her.

[barb162]

38. bwaha

That name-calling around here sometimes ...I'd like to see it stopped

[Norquist Nemesis]

34. Can't say I ever held her in disdain, though I think she should have

stuck to what was gaining ground...and that was keeping the pressure focused on Bush. The 67% now opposed to the Iraq Occupation is not comprised of 100% "anti-war left activists". It includes voters who are of all political stripes.

Cindy received momentum and garnered the most publicity for the cause when the group kept the pressure on Bush and the Cons. Diverting it to the Democrats did not help the cause, IMO. It only served to be spun as "Democrats are in divided over the war" by the media, then held up by Rove as proof positive that it's all just "the far left-wing" of the Democrat Party that has a problem. Hate media was on it like stink on you-know-what.

Did the Dems cave? Absolutely! There's no doubt about it in my opinion. But they have Bush and the Cons to battle, and getting attacked within days of sworn in to a marginal Majority was not helpful.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

35. Nope, still doesn't make sense.

Try again.

[BlooInBloo]

36. Perhaps. Or maybe it's just because they're fucking jackasses.

[Marrah_G]

39. She's done a few things that irritate me, but then, so have my kids.

I literally cringe when I see her name on DU though, because I know that anyone making the slightest criticism of her would be jumped on by a horde of her fans. Not the people who just support and respect her, but rather those who are absolutely sure she is infallible and any word against her is sheer blasphemy. Those people have frankly done alot more damage doing reacting the way they do then if they would just have a normal discussion. It is a HUGE turn-off to alot of people.

Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it.

[Virginia Dare]

55. That's true of a lot of issues here...

if you don't see things a certain way, you will be jumped on by a certain contingent. It gets tiresome.

[cooolandrew]

42. Disdain is a ludicrous word for Cindy, she's a hero I can only feel immense pride for her humanity.

[G_j]

43. ah, poor Dems

& how many more will die between today and tomorrow?
If they don't want interruptions then fucking put a stop to Bush's war now!

[Swamp Rat]

44. Ok, but I think most who have disdain for Cindy Sheehan are America-hating trolls,

who are too chicken shit to stand up for anything. :D

[endarkenment]

56. YUP

And I note that the OP managed to use the rhetorical dodge of pre-denial to work in the whore bit. "I ain't saying that she is a media whore" is the oldest trick in the book.

[Kingofalldems]

66. I agree about OP

He seems very concerned.

[lonestarnot]

87. What Swampie said! Ditfuckingto.

[KoKo]

98. Yep...and do you have link to Condi Vampire? I need it for a post...

and there's None Better than your Condi Vampire.

[Rex]

117. Dunno about most, but some

yeah.

[NaturalHigh]

46. I feel a lot of pity for Sheehan.

She suffered a terrible loss in this stupid war. However, even though I want an end to this war, I have never been a "Cindy supporter." Frankly, I think she's too histrionic to be a leader.

[SPKrazy]

48. The Point IS THIS!

that the dems won because of the fucking war!

not lobbying reform...

WTG Cindy!

:woohoo:

:patriot:

fucking right on Cindy!

attention whore my ass!

spot on is what she is!

[theNotoriousP.I.G.]

49. Poor Rahm

:nopity:

[ecstatic]

53. Ya know? Troops are dying and we're supposed to be crying for Rahm?!

Whatever!

[MonkeyFunk]

58. Nobody ever suggested that

nor did anyone express sympathy for Rahm.

People said the cause of lobbying-reform was also important, and didn't need to be disrupted.

[endarkenment]

54. This is why Cindy is fed up with our idiocy.

We gave Congress a mandate to end this war and they have fiddled around with agendas that go nowhere, reforms that don't reform, investigations that don't investigate, and then they re-funded Bush's escalation giving him yet another blank check. They count on our apathy and on our hostility to those who expose the charade for what it is.

[Carolina]

113. so well put

Rahm's anti-lobbying press conference is one more example of bullshit in view of the fact that the Democratic-Republican duopoly feeds at the same trough of corporate hegemony.

[MethuenProgressive]

59. Perhaps this is why Cindy Sheehan holds some DUers in distain?

I'm not calling you an attention whore, Freddie, because that'd be too uncivil for my taste.

[ray of light]

62. double rec. your comment. "troll rate" his.

[chaska]

61. Go get 'em Cindy...!

Our government (including our party ... especially our party) deserves NO RESPECT.

Bring the fuckin' house down around their ears.

[Chulanowa]

65. People need to realize something about where we stand

Is lobbying reform important? You bet.
Is healthcare important? Absolutely.
Is fair trade important? Of course.
Is immigration reform important? Yup
Is kicking these repig bastards out important? Fuck yes.

Will ANY of that happen while we're occupying Iraq and diverting billions of tax dollars to support that occupation? No. No it won't. So long as we are there, the corrupt fucks in Washington maintain a toehold on power, using it as a threat. So long as we are there, they can use the "turrists" as an excuse to ignore immigration reform, and build concentration camps for illegal immigrants. so long as we are there, they will pirate and plunder that nation and do the same to us. So long as we fund iraq halliburton, we have no money to pay for universal health care. While we are "at war", lobbying groups can use that as leverage to protect themselves.

The war is THE issue, because it is what is locking the door to all of our other issues. We will not get them done until we can get this war and occupation ended. Cindy knew this. Many of us here know this. I wish more people did. You cannot have peacetime politics until war is over.

[Hissyspit]

67. Is that all you got?

War protestors. Heavens!

[paparush]

68. Stopping this illegal war is JOB #1 - Everything else is ancillary nt

[Freddie Stubbs]

83. How exactly is her interrupting a Democratic press conference about ethics reform going to help end

the war? Are there any people out there who watch the news who are not aware that Cindy Sheehan opposes the war?

All it did was create news stories which drowned out both the Democrats and Ms. Sheehan's message. The story was that anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan interrupted a Democratic press conference about ethics reform. I don't think that story convinced anyone to oppose the war.

[paparush]

94. Until this country is 'disrupted' out of its comfort zone of stupor, this war will continue

We need to disrupt.
We need to insult.
We need to grab attention whenever, wherever is possible.

The killing goes on 24/7/365.

Americans probably give the war 10 seconds of thought a day.

America has never been allowed to see the reality of what this war has wrought, thus, we feel no responsibility to end it.

The war must be shoved in the face of every american, every day. When we least expect it.

I think about it all the time. I'm picking up my kid from school or during my work day. My comfortable life, so far removed from the savage reality that our nation has brought upon the others. I need to be reminded.

[info being]

69. Speak for yourself

If the day comes that everything is pretty much in order, then we can discuss the tastefulness of civil disobedience. Until then, get over it.

[Nikki Stone1]

72. Considering that Rahm Emmanuel is behind a lot of the enabling that goes on among the Dems

I am not surprised that was the place she chose to make a stand.

[Vidar]

73. Anyone disrupting Rahm Emmanuel deserves extra praise. He has done

as much harm to this party as Lieberman.

[Individualist]

74. He certainly has. I can only wonder when people are going to wake up

and realize the intent of DLC.

[mzmolly]

75. I don't hold her in disdain, nor do I elevate her to sainthood.

She's a human being who lost a son and tried to make a difference. I think she did so, but I also think she opened herself up to criticism from time to time as all public figures do. And, I feel that some people mis-used her frankly.

I wish her well and I think her family will appreciate her "retirement." That said, I expect we'll hear from her again.

Cindy if you're reading I wish you well in your new direction. :hi:

"Peace"

[Downtown Hound]

77. Wow, a loud protest. What an outrage! AN OUTRAGE!

:sarcasm:

Let's see, Congress does nothing to stop a war that killed Cindy Sheehan's son, well that's just a-okay with you. But if Cindy Sheehan gets upset about it and shouts at them, well, that's just WRONG WRONG WRONG.

:eyes:

[mmonk]

78. Yeah, don't interrupt Rahm. I'm sure he will get on that

ending the war thingy soon. Just follow and don't criticize the program. And don't be rude. You could be called a liberal or something.

[bvar22]

81. ROFL

just hysterical....can't stop laughing....
"Show me the MONEY Rham" presenting the new package on lobbying reform is like the fox presenting the plans for the new chicken coop!!!!

I can't think of a more appropriate CorpoOwned Democrat to interrupt now that Lieberman has left the Party!

The Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party needs to find a REAL Democrat to run against Rham next year. His congressional district is mostly Chicago. In spite of "The Machine" in Chicago, a well funded populist with lots of TV time might do well in an urban area.

[Geek_Girl]

82. Any day someone runs a DLCer like Rahm off the stage

is a good day. But I can see why the DLC asshats on DU don't like her.

[sojourner]

85. geez louise...when you can walk on water come back and give us some advice...

til then please give it a rest

[bling bling]

88. How ironic.

I searched the archives because I remembered a thread here on that topic. I found it and saw that on that issue I basically gave Kudos to Cindy for bringing the spotlight on herself.

Furthermore, reading that thread I think there may be some truth to your charge that some people were turned off from her by this. In that regard I think it makes the attacks on Cindy seem less personal. Some people are are just defensive of the party.

Although, like someone above said, some of them are definitely just jackasses too.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3039529&mesg_id=3040019

[LittleClarkie]

91. Some do. Some wanted to here what Emanuel had to say

As for me, I would hold the incident up as evidence that she wasn't really a part of the Democratic Party, or hadn't been in some time, rendering her quiting the party sort of a moot point.

[Truth2Tell]

103. wasn't really a part of the Democratic Party?

Can't someone want to scream out loud when they hear Rahm Emanuel talk about "ethics reforms" ans still be a good Democrat?

I think that makes her a great Democrat.

[LostinVA]

93. oh brother

[mdmc]

97. CINDY

is too real for the dlc

[kestrel91316]

104. So I guess you are the one who got the job assignment to attack

Ms. Sheehan.

You can't let go of this, can you?? What's with the obsessive need to attack repeatedly with multiple posts?? Pay too good to turn down???

[Freddie Stubbs]

111. I am just trying to put this into context

Constructive criticism is not the same as an attack.

[Mutineer]

110. I do think the Code PInk involvement hurt her, not helped her

or the anti-war cause. Code Pink has their merits but I do remember people here at both DU and Kos (and other websites) during these hearings questioning their presence there as being distracting.

[Carolina]

112. Dems and Repukes feed

at some of the same lobbyists troughs and many Dems, including Daschle and Breaux, leave office and become K-Streeters themselves.

So a press conference about lobbying reform is just one more example of empty speechifying, signifying nothing and distracting from the biggest issue which in the November 2006 election, at the time of this January 2007 reference and still today is the WAR. The war is about the oil lobby, the war is depleting the treasury and the military ...

Cindy's right

[cynatnite]

114. Well, I disagreed with this and so did a few others...

but I don't believe anyone expressed any kind of disdain for her because of it.

I've seen very few here express unkind feelings towards her for things she has said and done even though they disagreed with her. What I'm amazed at is when people do disagree and express it they are attacked. Kind of like what the repukes do when people express opinions contrary to theirs. They do that whole 'you're with the terrorists' argument.

[Rex]

115. For some, that is probably the main reason.

They want to see everything done by the book. She wants the war over and will get arrested to make that point.

[HughMoran]

116. Oh geez, time to dredge up all the old crap

What a mean-spirited and complete waste of good energy on something entirely negative.

NOT recommended.