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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:08 PM
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Raw Story: Well-connected drug company obtained anthrax vaccine contracts despite side effects
by Julie Weisberg

"Two former high-ranking health officials with close ties to the Bush administration helped a Michigan-based pharmaceutical company secure sole-source, multi-million dollar federal contracts for the purchase of its controversial anthrax vaccine, a RAW STORY investigation has found.

Last month, Emergent BioSolutions announced that the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) intended to purchase more than 18 million doses of its Biothrax vaccine for the Strategic National Stockpile. The strategic stockpile is set aside for civilian use during a large-scale emergency, such as a bioterrorism attack or natural disaster. Once finalized, the contract will be the largest of its kind for Emergent’s anthrax vaccine.

BioThrax is the only FDA-licensed vaccine for anthrax in the United States. The Pentagon has used it for the military’s mandatory anthrax vaccination program for the last ten years, though not without problems. Although the military continues to publicly claim the vaccine is “safe and effective,” thousands of soldiers have suffered adverse reactions, ranging from mild to severe.

In March, RAW STORY revealed that Walter Reed is investigating links between the vaccine and life-threatening autoimmune diseases. Hundreds of U.S. service members have refused the shots, fearing the side-effects experienced by some 80 percent of the soldiers who receive them, according to a 2002 General Accountability Office report."

Read the rest: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Wellconnected_drug_company_obtained_anthrax_vaccine_0529.html
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:32 PM
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1. um... hello? supporting our troops?
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:43 PM
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2. kick kick kick
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 08:54 PM
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24. kick
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:56 PM
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3. 18 million doses for a terror attack in america?
natural disaster? like new orleans?

sometimes i think the chinese are on to something......






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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:32 PM
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4. well thank god someone noticed this thread
thanks!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:34 PM
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5. It's hard to keep up with these firestarters. K&R
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:39 PM
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7. Thanks lala_rawraw- Anthrax, 911, Rumsfeld, Drug companies.
It is all a scam......small kick for you
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 07:01 AM
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21. Emergent is not a "drug" company
They are developers of various vaccines, a pretty small biotech company. And trust me, they aren't making much of a profit here.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 08:50 PM
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18. do`t need no thanks
i always read your posts
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:37 PM
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6. Meet Jerome Hauer, 9/11 Suspect Awaiting Indictment
Edited on Tue May-29-07 04:41 PM by seemslikeadream


http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com /


Ladies and Gentlemen, meet Jerome Hauer, director of the Office of Public Health Preparedness.



On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer was a national security advisor with the National Institute of Health, a managing director with Kroll Associates, and a guest on national television. His background in counter-terror and his specialized knowledge of biological warfare served him well on that day. Perhaps a little too well.
Anthrax Attacks
On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer advised the White House to begin taking Cipro, an antibiotic which is effective against anthrax.

Mr. Hauer's advice was not made public. Its value may have been underestimated at the time, but it was clearly demonstrated a week later, when the first anthrax letters appeared, and again three weeks after that, when anthrax appeared in letters to Democratic Senators Daschle and Leahy.

The obvious question is: Did Jerome Hauer know about the anthrax attacks in advance?
Prior Knowledge?
Strangely, perhaps, this is not the first time questions of prior knowledge have surfaced in Jerome Hauer's wake.

Jerome Hauer joined New York City's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) in 1998 and quickly obtained funding from the office of then-mayor Rudy Giuliani for the study of West Nile virus. The following year the virus appeared in the city, and Jerome Hauer led the fumigation effort.

Did Jerome Hauer know this was going to happen? Or did he just get "lucky"?

And how could anyone know such a thing was going to happen? Unless ... unless ...
The Sound Of Two Feet Dragging
Strangely, perhaps, Jerome Hauer managed the NIH response to the anthrax attacks. The anthrax used in the attacks was identified as an Ames strain, which means it had to have come from the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick, Maryland.

Jerome Hauer received relatively good information for tracking down the origin of the anthrax. He even got a list of people from various institutes, including USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. But his response was slow and hidden behind a public relations campaign spreading Orwellian claims like "Suspects are Osama bin Laden and his Al-Q'aeda network and sympathizers to US right wing extremists".

Why would he act so slowly, and in such an inappropriate fashion? Perhaps because Jerome Hauer knew someone whose name was on that list?

Stephen Hatfill, at one time considered a prime suspect in this still-unsolved case, had worked for USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. Strangely, perhaps, he had also worked with Jerome Hauer, for Scientific Applications International Corporation, at the Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis.


more........

Posted by seemslikeadream on Tue Feb-27-07 11:20 AM

http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com /


Ladies and Gentlemen, meet Jerome Hauer, director of the Office of Public Health Preparedness.



On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer was a national security advisor with the National Institute of Health, a managing director with Kroll Associates, and a guest on national television. His background in counter-terror and his specialized knowledge of biological warfare served him well on that day. Perhaps a little too well.
Anthrax Attacks
On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer advised the White House to begin taking Cipro, an antibiotic which is effective against anthrax.

Mr. Hauer's advice was not made public. Its value may have been underestimated at the time, but it was clearly demonstrated a week later, when the first anthrax letters appeared, and again three weeks after that, when anthrax appeared in letters to Democratic Senators Daschle and Leahy.

The obvious question is: Did Jerome Hauer know about the anthrax attacks in advance?
Prior Knowledge?
Strangely, perhaps, this is not the first time questions of prior knowledge have surfaced in Jerome Hauer's wake.

Jerome Hauer joined New York City's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) in 1998 and quickly obtained funding from the office of then-mayor Rudy Giuliani for the study of West Nile virus. The following year the virus appeared in the city, and Jerome Hauer led the fumigation effort.

Did Jerome Hauer know this was going to happen? Or did he just get "lucky"?

And how could anyone know such a thing was going to happen? Unless ... unless ...
The Sound Of Two Feet Dragging
Strangely, perhaps, Jerome Hauer managed the NIH response to the anthrax attacks. The anthrax used in the attacks was identified as an Ames strain, which means it had to have come from the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick, Maryland.

Jerome Hauer received relatively good information for tracking down the origin of the anthrax. He even got a list of people from various institutes, including USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. But his response was slow and hidden behind a public relations campaign spreading Orwellian claims like "Suspects are Osama bin Laden and his Al-Q'aeda network and sympathizers to US right wing extremists".

Why would he act so slowly, and in such an inappropriate fashion? Perhaps because Jerome Hauer knew someone whose name was on that list?

Stephen Hatfill, at one time considered a prime suspect in this still-unsolved case, had worked for USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. Strangely, perhaps, he had also worked with Jerome Hauer, for Scientific Applications International Corporation, at the Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis.


more........



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3389867#3401493

from bobthedrummer

48. It gets really interesting when you examine who was promoting Cipro use
immediately after 9/11 but well before any hint that there was an anthrax (specifically anthrax-that's what Cipro is for) or any other biological threat.

The mainmen on this were HHS Sect. Tommy Thompson and the fellow he had just hired from SAIC (on 9-10-2001!) JEROME HAUER.

Last I heard, Mr. Hauer was in charge of public bio-defense efforts.


At a minimum 9/11 was LIHOP. Why no arrests in the ANTHRAX attacks against media and Democrats that also killed and harmed a lot of innocent US Postal Service employees?????

Tommy Thompson stood around boasting of his negotiating skills with the former I.G. Farben company, BAYER, for 300 million doses of Cipro while US Postal Service employees were working in anthrax HOT ZONE's.

I'm just getting started about this as I live in Wisconsin and suffered under Tommy Thompson for many years. One of his real pals is Charles Murray, the American eugenicist that co-authored "The Bell Curve" and was hired by Tommy Thompson to help draft the Wisconsin Works/W2 welfare reform bill that has since been adopted as the Federal model for welfare reform.

These bastards cannot keep getting away with murder, they have names.
Keep naming them brother!

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Posted by Octafish

Anthrax investigation still active. Why no mention of White House Cipro?

Strange that the White House volk were prescribed the antibiotic Cipro on 9-11, before the Anthrax attacks. Not that there's anything wrong with preventive medicine. Treason's another matter.

Anthrax investigation still ‘active’

FBI has not solved 2001 postal attacks.

Published Saturday, March 19, 2005

WASHINGTON (AP) - The anthrax false alarm this week served as a reminder that federal authorities still haven’t caught whoever was responsible for the all-too-real attacks in 2001 that left five people dead.

No arrests have been made, and no charges filed in the case the FBI has dubbed Amerithrax. Attorneys and scientists who have followed the investigation - and at times been touched by it - say they see no evidence of recent activity.

Debra Weierman, spokeswoman for the FBI’s Washington field office, disputed that. She said 30 FBI agents and 15 postal inspectors are assigned to the anthrax investigation, and more than 5,000 grand jury subpoenas have been issued.

"The investigation remains intensely active," Weierman said.

Steven Hatfill, the one person identified by former Attorney General John Ashcroft as a "person of interest" in the case, has filed suit against Ashcroft and the government, asserting they ruined his reputation. Hatfill has repeatedly said he had nothing to do with the anthrax-tainted letters that scared a jittery nation a month after the Sept. 11 attacks.

CONTINUED...

http://www.showmenews.com/2005/Mar/20050319News016.asp


White House began giving CIPRO to White House Aids on Sept 11

Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:50:59 -0400

White House Mail Machine Has Anthrax

By Sandra Sobieraj
Associated Press Writer
Tuesday, Oct. 23, 2001; 8:11 p.m. EDT

WASHINGTON –– President Bush said confidently Tuesday that "I don't have anthrax" after biohazard testing at the White House and the discovery of anthrax on a mail-opening machine at a screening facility six miles away.

All White House mail – more than 40,000 letters a week – is examined at military facilities across the Potomac River.

"Let me put it this way," Bush said. "I'm confident that when I come to work tomorrow, I'll be safe."

Asked if he was tested for the germ that has killed three people already this month, or if he was taking precautionary antibiotics, Bush replied simply: "I don't have anthrax."

At least some White House personnel were given Cipro six weeks ago. White House officials won't discuss who might be receiving the anthrax-treating antibiotic now.

CONTINUED CACHE SOURCE...

http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/ip-health/2001-October/002225.html

Speaking of treason, what's up with the Secret Team biowarfare fart from Phoenix?


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Jerome M. Hauer
Assistant Vice President, Science Applications International Corporation
Associate Director, Center for Counterterrorism Technology & Analysis

Jerome M. Hauer, one of the nation's leading experts on biological and chemical terrorism, recently left his post as Director of New York City's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) to join Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC). Hauer, who served four years as the City's first OEM Director, will be SAIC's Assistant Vice President and Associate Director of Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis.

During his tenure at OEM, Hauer was charged by the Mayor with coordinating the City's on-scene response to multi-agency emergencies. He was also given the responsibility of drafting the City's emergency response plans to natural and man-made events, including hurricanes and coastal flooding, as well as biological or chemical attacks.

Hauer has a Masters degree from the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health and over 20 years of experience in emergency management. He was recently selected to be one of six scientists to brief President Clinton on biological terrorism and has been asked by the World Health Organization to co-author a rewrite of its 1970 monograph on chemical and biological weapons. Hauer consults regularly with Scotland Yard and the Israeli military, and worked extensively with the Australian Government in its preparations for the 2000 Summer Olympics.

Hauer has served on the National Academy of Sciences Institute of Medicine's Committee to Evaluate R&D Needs for Improved Civilian Medical Response to Chemical or Biological Terrorism Incidents, and is an advisor the United States Capitol Police and the United States Marine Corps' Chemical-Biological Incident Response Force (C-BIRF). Hauer is also a member of the Johns Hopkins Working Group on Civilian Bio Defense, and is an advisor to the Department of Justice's Office of Justice Programs.
more
http://iml.dartmouth.edu/ists/hauer.html

The former director of New York’s Office of Emergency Management on what’s being done at ‘Ground Zero’Newsweek Web ExclusiveSept. 14 - Following the 1993 terrorist attack at the World Trade Center, Jerome M. Hauer was named the first-ever director and commissioner of the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management (OEM) for the City of New York. The office was designated as the center that would coordinate all agencies in times of crisis, and create its systems and protocols.

THE OEM DIRECTS the city’s overall emergency-response planning, as well as specialized planning for response to chemical, biological and nuclear-related incidents. Hauer also directed the design and implementation of New York City’s state-of-the-art Emergency Operations Center situated on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center, a bunker that went unused in the Tuesday’s explosions because of its proximity to the disaster (WTC 7 collapsed later that day).
more
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069634 /


Terror: Who is Jerome "Jerry" Hauer?

Jerome Hauer, Human Health Institute, is the man who put John O'Neill at the WTC and tipped the White House off to Cipro.
Very interesting stuff.....

"Very few cities at this point in time are prepared to manage the consequences of bio-terrorist attack."
Jerry Hauer in an interview with Eyewitness News, October 1, 2001

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/WABC_investigators_100101bioterror.html


In May 2002, Jerome Hauer became director of the federal Office of Public Health Preparedness (OPHP), succeeding Dr. D. A. Henderson from Johns Hopkins Institute.

Why is Jerome Hauer not making national news yet?

He's becoming famous on the Internet. Not only for Republicans, who appreciate his long fight against bioterrorism, which he started three to four years ago.

Hauer is also controversial among those who are able to connect the dots between his person and shady business deals in biopharmacy since 1998.

More interesting, he seems to have had prior knowledge about both so called terrorist-attacks: September 11th and Anthrax.

But many private investigators claim since months, he let the attacks happen on purpose to continue his career.

Is Hauer LIHOP suspect No.1?

He started to work for the NIH under Tommy Thompson on September 10, 2001 as an adviser on national security. On September 11th, he told the White House to take Cipro, the antibiotic that works against the anthrax virus, without bothering to reveal his warning to the American nation.
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/living/health/302050 ...

The watchdog group JudicialWatch decided to file a lawsuit against the NIH, but also against the FBI, CDC and the White House, for the same reason: Prior Knowledge.

It is not known how long Hauer worked at the NIH before Sept. 11, but we can confirm that he was working on Sept. 10.
http://www.lauriegarrett.com/wtc_day12.html

But things get really interesting when we consider that Jerome Hauer was also the man who in August 2001 arranged a new job for John O'Neill - the resigning chief of the FBI Terror Task Force - as head of security at the World Trade Center.

How did Hauer know that the Twin Towers would be so important?

We would like to ask John O' Neill, but there is one problem: O'Neill died in the towers on September 11th, one day after he started his job officially, according to the New Yorker.

Disturbingly, O'Neill has never been received the same hero status in the mass media as has been accorded to the fallen New York firefighters and police officers. His death has gone without the same fanfare. For 11 months his story went untold, with two big exceptions.

The two French intelligence specialists Brisard and Dasquie (see: http://intelligenceonline.fr ) published an interview with O'Neill taken before his death in their book, "Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth." And articles on O'Neill were also published in the New Yorker and New York Magazine. Last week, TIME magazine also tried to remember him, but left out the most important angles.

This should change immediately.

There is obviously a lot which has been hidden from us, but for what reason?

This might have something to do with the FBI HQ (O'Neill complained about them), but also with Jerome Hauer - who is a friend of the current prime anthrax suspect, Stephen Hatfill, who was working for the military anthrax program USAMRIID at Fort Detrick and Battelle, a huge pharmacy company with many ties to the CIA.

Hauer and Hatfill worked together at the SAIC's Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis in 1999. The SAIC (Scientific Applications International Corp) later received also a huge BioDefense budget in autumn 2001.

http://www.saic.com/news/nov99/news11-30a-99.html - (Hauer)
http://www.nandotimes.com/nation/story/455218p-3643441c ... - (Hatfill)

But first, more about Hauer:

In 1983, Hauer joined IBM where he was responsible for the company's Hazardous Materials Response and Crisis Management and Fire Safety programs. Hauer produced a series of hazardous materials training videos that earned him the International Film andTV Critics of New York Bronze award in 1986.

In the early 1990s, Hauer got his first contacts to military and biodefense.

Hauer received a master's degree in emergency medical services from the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health. Then he became member of the Johns Hopkins Working Group on Civilian Bio Defense, where he wrote various articles about a possible bioterrorist attack.
http://iml.dartmouth.edu/ists/hauer.html

In 1998, he started working at the OEM (Office for Emergency Management) in New York.

In the same year, Hauer and anthrax suspect Hatfill both supported the CFR as experts in their respective fields. The CFR is an acronym for Council on Foreign Relations, one of the most important think-tanks advising the US government, as well as many other governments abroad.

CFR members include the Pentagon's top advisers, Richard Perle, Henry Kissinger, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, ex-CIA chief James Woolsey, biosciences specialist Joshua Lederberg, and many others.

On May 28, 1998, Hatfill and Hauer spoke together at the same CFR meeting about "Building a 'Biobomb': Terrorist Challenge"
http://www.cfr.org/public/resource.cgi?meet!102

Hatfill was at that time also Senior Research Associate at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases (=USAMRIID)

Hauer seems to specialize in the art of holding down several different jobs at the same time. While he started to work for the NIH in September 2001, he remained a Managing Director at Kroll Associates - the official security and bodyguard company for all American presidents since World War II!

With Hauer's many sources of insider information (e.g. Kroll/President bodyguards) , it makes sense that he also knew about the CIA briefing for George Bush on August 6, 2001, about warnings of an imminent terrorist "attack with planes."

Hauer is still trying to save the world.

On November 6th, 2001 he participated in the "Independent Task Force on America's Response to Terrorism" at the CFR. Participants there included James J. Zogby (President of the Arab American Institute and Central Asian Enterprise Fund), Newton L. Gingrich (Chief Executive Officer, The Gingrich Group), Harold Brown (former secretary of defense and counselor at CSIS: the Center for Strategic and International Studies), Henry A. Kissinger (Senior Fellow in National Security and European Affairs), Richard C. Holbrooke (Counselor, CFR and Vice Chairman of Perseus, LLC) and Philip A. Odeen (Executive Vice President, Washington Operations of TRW, Inc. and CEO of Reynolds + Reynolds, Dayton).

Their agenda, eight weeks after the attack of Sept. 11, was strange indeed:
http://www.cfr.org/Public/publications/PubDiplom_TF.htm ...



http://www.lauriegarrett.com/wtc_day12.html

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?020114fa_FACT1
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 08:49 PM
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17. wow i guess it`s true
ya learn something new every day! i remember someone on george noory talking about the west nile research facility was on an island somewhere near new york city. he claimed there was an "accidental release" that caused the spread
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:31 AM
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29. Kick
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:40 PM
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8. 80 percent!?
Is that true? How many hundreds of thousands of soldiers have been made ill by this stunt?
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:50 PM
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9. I have a cousin who refused the shot
It's bad news, indeed... K&R.
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StarryNite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:58 PM
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10. Kick!
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 07:42 PM
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11. Related archived threads for serious investigators, like you lala
"BUSH ADMIN Allocating $43 Billion To Create An Illegal Biological Weapons Program" started by kpete 2-5-2007
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x128146

"International American Products Inc./IAP: A DU investigation thread" I started this thread 3-7-2007
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x360539
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 08:09 PM
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12. Let me give you the REAL STORY here on this!
I have the inside, PERSONAL knowledge from industry. Despite the claims, Emergent Biosolutions is not a large, well connected company. Its actually a small, struggling biotech company, that has only the Anthrax vaccine as a product now (some other products have been dropped as unworkable and another product is having issues). Why do they have the contract? Becacuse NO ONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING WORKABLE. In fact they just had a VERY LARGE BIOSHIELD CONTRACT PULLED because they and several others are having trouble making a next generation anthrax vaccine. They are working on a new one, the government has made it clear they aren't happy with the current one. Even the people who are working with the vaccine acknowledge that it has some really negative side effects. But with the threat of bioterrorism this vaccine is something many in the biotech community think is important to work on. Trust me, Emergent ISN'T making money off this right now, in fact there are a lot of people (whom I talk to on a semi-regular basis) who are nervous about their jobs. They are working very hard on getting a much better vaccine out on the market!! And I don't give a damn about what the MSM reports on this. I KNOW PERSONALLY many people (very good and hard working scientists and researchers) who are working really hard to find a solution to a knotty problem. There are other companies working on this as well, but because none of them have anything CLOSE to workable! This is not rich "Big Pharma". This is a company struggling to stay afloat and make a good and potentially life saving product!!:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
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lizerdbits Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 08:40 PM
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15. Lots of people are working on new vaccines
I saw about 10 presentations a few months ago just for new anthrax vaccines at a vaccine related conference. I know about 5 people who've had the current vaccine and 2 said it was horribly painful, 1 couldn't remember if her reaction was bad and I never asked the other 2 about it and no longer work with them. It's common knowledge this vaccine has bad side effects which is why so much money is being put into developing a new one.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 08:22 PM
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13. "The Tommy Thompson/DUer research anthrax investigation thread"
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 08:25 PM
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14. I have a serious reaction to the antibiotic they use for anthrax.
I ended up unable to move my arms and legs or feel my hands and feet 1.5 years ago along with memory loss, anxiety attacks and insomnia. Fortunately as the nerves grew back/healed I'm almost back to normal again. I didn't get the even nastier "spontaneously rupturing tendons". Not sure if quinilone antibiotics have any connection to the vaccine but aI thought I'd throw that out there.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 08:45 PM
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16. nope, no relation
Yes, the current vaccine has a lot of side effects, that's why a new one is being worked on by many many many companies. I have a bit of an issue with the military making the vaccine mandatory for all, I think they should have an opt out issue, but bioattack is a threat and I would prefer to have a good vaccine made available for those at the highest risk, the military (not for the general public unless there is an attack with weaponized anthrax)
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 10:18 PM
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19. Prevention is different from treatment.
I don't understand how the two could be confused.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 01:57 PM
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23. Thats not what I was saying
I am not a scientist, I was asking if the two had common ingrediants.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 09:30 PM
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25. vaccine stimulates antibodies in the bloodstream as a protective
Edited on Wed May-30-07 09:34 PM by turtlensue
measure should you ever encounter the bacteria. Antibiotics are post exposure treatment, that attack the bacteria directly. Antibiotics are NOT antigen specific to a bacteria. IE- Cipro is used to treat anthrax and some other bacteria. Totally totally different things. Generally, vaccines are agaisnt viruses because antibiotics are not effective on viruses. This is one of the few vaccines for bacteria. Thats a good thing because a lot of times you are given antibiotics after exposure to the bacteria, which means you are likely already infected and if its anthrax that could be deadly! A vaccine makes it less likely you will get an active infection at all.

Edited to add: a good discussion of what a vaccine is can be found in my journal if you are truly curious. I wrote it for the non-scientific crowd.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 09:33 PM
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26. Cool thank you!
I'd be in a crapload of trouble if I ever ran into anthrax. If they do come up with a good vaccine I would take it.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 09:36 PM
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27. Lots of people are working very hard on it right now..
Hopefully soon something effective and safer will be available soon!:)
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 05:34 AM
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20. morning kick
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 10:42 AM
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22. kick
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 05:17 AM
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28. Thanks guys... i missed all the postings
because i was not around yesterday. thank you!!
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