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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:57 PM
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And now for a few choice words about Hillary (from the Nation):
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070604/berman

Hillary Inc.

by ARI BERMAN

If Clinton really wanted to curtail the influence of the powerful, she might start with the advisers to her own campaign, who represent some of the weightiest interests in corporate America. Her chief strategist, Mark Penn, not only polls for America's biggest companies but also runs one of the world's premier PR agencies. A bevy of current and former Hillary advisers, including her communications guru, Howard Wolfson, are linked to a prominent lobbying and PR firm--the Glover Park Group--that has cozied up to the pharmaceutical industry and Rupert Murdoch. Her fundraiser in chief, Terry McAuliffe, has the priciest Rolodex in Washington, luring high-rolling contributors to Clinton's campaign. Her husband, since leaving the presidency, has made millions giving speeches and counsel to investment banks like Goldman Sachs and Citigroup. They house, in addition to other Wall Street firms, the Clintons' closest economic advisers, such as Bob Rubin and Roger Altman, whose DC brain trust, the Hamilton Project, is Clinton's economic team in waiting. Even the liberal in her camp, former deputy chief of staff Harold Ickes, has lobbied for the telecom and healthcare industries, including a for-profit nursing home association indicted in Texas for improperly funneling money to disgraced former House majority leader Tom DeLay. "She's got a deeper bench of big money and corporate supporters than her competitors," says Eli Attie, a former speechwriter to Vice President Al Gore. Not only is Hillary more reliant on large donations and corporate money than her Democratic rivals, but advisers in her inner circle are closely affiliated with unionbusters, GOP operatives, conservative media and other Democratic Party antagonists.

It's not exactly an advertisement for the working-class hero, or a picture her campaign freely displays. Her lengthy support for the Iraq War is Clinton's biggest liability in Democratic primary circles. But her ties to corporate America say as much, if not more, about what she values and cast doubt on her ability and willingness to fight for the progressive policies she claims to champion. She is "running to help and restore the great middle class in our country," Wolfson says. So was Bill in 1992. He was for "putting people first." Then he entered the White House and pushed for NAFTA, signed welfare reform, consolidated the airwaves through the Telecommunications Act of 1996 (leading to Clear Channel's takeover) and cleared the mergers of mega-banks. Would the First Lady do any different? Ever since the defeat of healthcare reform, Hillary has been a committed incrementalist, describing herself as a creature of the "moderate, sensible center" whom business admires and rewards. During her six years in the Senate, she's rarely been out front on difficult economic issues. Given her proximity to money and power, it's not hard to figure out why she keeps controversial figures close to her--even if their work becomes a liability for her campaign.

Polling Czar

After the 1994 election, Democrats had just lost both houses of Congress, and President Clinton was floundering in the polls. At the urging of his wife, he turned to Dick Morris, a friend from their time in Arkansas. Morris brought in two pollsters from New York, Doug Schoen and his partner, Mark Penn, a portly, combative workaholic. Morris decided what to poll and Penn polled it. They immediately pushed Clinton to the right, enacting the now-infamous strategy of "triangulation," which co-opted Republican policies like welfare reform and tax cuts and emphasized small-bore issues that supposedly cut across the ideological divide. "They were the ones who said, 'Make the '96 election about nothing except V-chips and school uniforms,'" says a former adviser to Bill. When Morris got caught with a call girl, Penn became the most important adviser in Clinton's second term. "In a White House where polling is virtually a religion," the Washington Post reported in 1996, "Penn is the high priest."

Penn, who had previously worked in the business world for companies like Texaco and Eli Lilly, brought his corporate ideology to the White House. After moving to Washington he aggressively expanded his polling firm, Penn, Schoen & Berland (PSB). It was said that Penn was the only person who could get Bill Clinton and Bill Gates on the same line. Penn's largest client was Microsoft, and he saw no contradiction between working for both the plaintiff and the defense in what was at the time the country's largest antitrust case. A variety of controversial clients enlisted PSB. The firm defended Procter & Gamble's Olestra from charges that the food additive caused anal leakage, blamed Texaco's bankruptcy on greedy jurors and market-tested genetically modified foods for Monsanto. PSB introduced to consulting the concept of "inoculation": shielding corporations from scandal through clever advertising and marketing.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:27 PM
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1. K&R n/t
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 03:49 PM
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2. K&R
:kick:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:35 PM
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3. Kick. (nt)
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:42 PM
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4. so because her pollster
also did contract work for other big corporate interests, she and he are automatically tainted by those connections?

If somebody hires Bill Gates' plumber, is he automatically a microsoft shill?
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:44 PM
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5. Hillary is more of the same...
She's corporatism personified. Nothing will change with Hillary.

I'm not interested in her. I've been a Democrat my entire life, and
I've never been so against any Dem candidate running for pResident.

She is not what we need now. We need someone who will break the
cronyism and stand up to people like the Bushes. She absolutely
has not.

We need a renegade during these desperate, critical times, not a
DC, corporatist, kow-tower.

No Hillary. I agree with The Nation.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 05:02 PM
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29. I think she'll be a disaster as a candidate
Edited on Wed May-30-07 05:03 PM by fujiyama
and I really think she has a slim chance of getting elected. I still don't know WHO she appeals to...

And if elected, I don't think she'll make the changes we need...

BUT, and this is a very big BUT, she would be a HUGE improvement over what we have now. That's only reason I'll hold my nose and vote for her (more so just vote AGAINST the republican) in '08.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 11:57 PM
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32. I agree with you on every point...
...except voting for her with my nose held. I despise being a pessimist, but
my feeling is--if she's our candidate---our nation is doomed. I'll officially
don my tin-foil cap and assume that we no longer have a two-party system--or
a democracy for that matter. I'll settle into the notion that we have a
corporate-run government with Congress members who are nothing but corporate
lackeys.

I do agree that she has little chance to be elected. The Republicans
can't wait to run against her numerous scandals. It will be a bizarre
disaster of epic proportions. They ruined Kerry on lies and innuendo.
They'll take Hillary and Bill's known scandals and fillet those two
into a never ending joke and political disaster.

I also don't think she'll make the changes we need. Where is she on
illegal wiretapping? Guantanamo? Bush circumventing the Constitution
and behaving like a little dictator? The Plame fiasco? We don't know
how she stands on these issues because she barely spoke up--while our
country has been raped by the neocons during the past several years.

Her silence is unforgivable.

I've never been so against a Dem candidate in my life. No Hillary, please!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 07:33 PM
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6. K&R
The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.



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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 07:39 PM
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7. K&R
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 07:44 PM
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8. I absolutely will not vote for her. If she is the Dem nominee I will not vote.
Just as the neocons must be purged from the GOP, the neoliberals must be purged from the Dems. I refuse to acquiesce to a "choice" that is no true choice. I will not participate in keeping up the pretense that this corporate-owned, MIC and AIPAC controlled sham that we call "democracy" has any claim on me.

sw
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 07:45 PM
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9. Yeah
cuz getting none of what you want is better than getting 60% of what you want. :eyes:
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 07:56 PM
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11. Wrong. I would get 100% of what I DON'T want.
One Hundred Percent of what I DON'T WANT trumps whatever little extra crumbs might possibly accrue by going along with the bullshit one more time.

I've been voting since 1970 -- would have been since 1968, but my birthday came 10 days too late. I've watched the deterioration of our Republic in real time for 5 decades now. If Hillary ends up being the Dem nominee that's it for me. I'm not going to play along anymore.

sw
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 07:59 PM
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12. so you don't care
about abortion rights, gay rights, minimum wage, and a host of other issues on which Clinton disagrees with the GOP?

Well bully for you.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 08:24 PM
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13. There are NO rights in this country that have not been fought for by the PEOPLE!
The politicians and the institutions of the Establishment are the LAST places where the Peoples' rights are recognized. The consciousness of society as a whole has to evolve toward accepting a particular change. The real battles must be fought from the bottom up.

Above all, what ought to be kept in mind is that the continuation of the current track of corporate globalization and a warfare-centered economy and national security state is bad for ALL of humanity and truly needs to be resisted. A Hillary Clinton presidency would mean a continuation of all of that. I refuse to sanction these evils any longer.

So what if the GOP "wins"? Unless we change the consciousness of our fellow citizens, we are destined for a long run of soft fascism and hard militarism no matter which party establishment prevails.

I've grown up a lifelong Democrat in a family of lifelong Democrats and union people. I know when I'm being sold a bill of goods.

sw
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 08:51 PM
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16. No response to my reply? (nt)
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 10:24 PM
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19. some of us take time out to enjoy a meal
but you response is idiotic.

If you think the Republicans better represent your views, than good luck to you... that's your choice. Democrats or republicans... make a choice.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 11:00 PM
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21. NEITHER of them "represent my views". BOTH of them represent "views" that I find reprehensible.
I choose to not support those whose views are reprehensible to me. The lesser of two evils is still an evil.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 11:48 PM
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24. then bully for you
elect republicans!

Anybody who thinks democrats and republicans are equivcalent are idiots.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 04:50 PM
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27. I realize that you don't comprehend my point of view, that's fine.
I understand that you feel passionate about your arguments, and that it is uncomfortable for you to encounter someone who is not moved by them.

My apologies for upsetting you.

Peace,
sw
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 10:43 PM
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20. Hell I'd rather have Ron Paul than Hillary from what I've seen...
at least he makes sense to me.

God I hope Gore runs and wins. Please, oh please.

If not Gore, then Barak for me.

I won't ever vote for Hillary.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 11:05 PM
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23. are you on drugs?
Seriously?

Ron Paul is a certified nut job and I don't understand what anyone who agreed with him on social/domestic policy would be doing on DU.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 05:07 PM
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30. Ummm other than the being agains the war & the WOD, Ron Paul is a lunatic.
He's against stem cell research, he doesn't believe in the Constitutionality of ROe v Wade, he taes entitlements programs (ya know welfare, medicare etc), he's anti-environment...shall I go on?
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 07:46 PM
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10. The good news is
The Cindy Storm must finally be abating if people are finding the energy to post "trash Hillary" threads.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 08:33 PM
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14. Who cares if Hillary has campaign people working for her that have
"corporate connections"? Everybody has to work for somebody in DC. I don't see why it matters what they do for a living, or who their clients are. They're not running--she is. It says nothing of what kind of prez she'd be. Is she only supposed to surround herself with folks whose day jobs and past careers are "noble"? Who judges that, and pray tell, what might those careers be that would give her a campaign edge?
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 08:36 PM
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15. Geee its only the 10th time Berman's guilt by association hit piece has been posted.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 09:02 PM
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17. The Nation is obviously no fan of Hillary. I like the magazine, but I also
do not like the one-sided coverage of one of our main candidates. It is beyond the pale at this time in our history and after 6 gruesome years of GOPer rule to even countenance the idea of not voting for whichever candidate the majority of democrats select. If you do not vote for our candidate, you are in essence voting to elect another Pug. The world cannot take it, and the world will revolt against us. They will be right to do so.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 09:10 PM
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18. Voting for Hillary is a lot like voting for another Pug.
Edited on Tue May-29-07 09:11 PM by Jackpine Radical
Pro-war until it didn't look smart anymore. DLC to the core. NAFTA, Welfare "Reform," a health care proposal that made the diagram of a Centrino chip look simple. The major difference between a Puggie & a DLCer is that the DLC uses vaseline (minimum wage, maybe a couple of other trifling lubes) when they do it to you.

I'm not quite in SW's camp yet, but I sure hope I don't have to make the choice.

I want Al Gore. Now. Do you hear me? NOW!
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 11:03 PM
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22. Heh. Come to my camp, dearie. I have a nice fire burning.
:evilgrin:

sw
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 08:59 AM
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25. Now, I don't get an offer like that just every day.
Who brings the marshmallows? Who's got the Hershey bars? The Graham crackers?
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 04:58 PM
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28. Well, what else could I do when you wrote that you weren't "quite in sw's camp yet", except to
extend my personal invitation?

However, "marshmallows"!?!? Sorry, the fire at my camp ain't that kind of fire. Bring drums and war paint.

sw
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 10:40 AM
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26. This is why I won't declare my support for any of the dem candidates yet...
I agree with Gore, this whole 600+ day campaign for prez is utter and complete bullshit.

So much still has to be shaken out yet, come november, I will begin the process of supporting someone but it won't be until the primaries start.

Until then everything we see and hear from the "candidates" is all fluff.
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doggyboy Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 05:12 PM
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31. Right, let's nominate a weak candidate with no money
and no support.

That's the ticket

BTW, do you think the other candidates campaigns are staffed by angels?
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