Cindy is old news

[quinnox]

Forget about her, the anti-war movement will do fine without her. And so will Democrats, thank you very much. Maybe this hero worship and elevating to god-status by misguided people on the left is part of the reason she quit. Must be a lot of pressure when so many people feel you are perfect and can do no wrong. No wonder she wanted out of the spotlight.

Leave her in peace and she will quietly fade away and it will be better for her that way as well as the Democrats.

[Balbus]

1. Feeling masochistic today?

[quinnox]

3. lol

Well, when every other thread is about Cindy I felt I had to put in my two cents.

[ReadTomPaine]

8. You placed the appropriate value on your thoughts.

[zippy890]

4. !

:rofl:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. today?

[Bluebear]

2. What a shocking sentiment coming from YOU!

:eyes:

[AllieB]

5. I'm hardly ever here and even I noticed that trend.

:eyes:

[Bluebear]

10. :nodding:

[Bluebear]

29. .

[jonnyblitz]

it's been goin on ever since I first came here. nt

[LostinVA]

33. My observation as well

[Lex]

6. As long as you are making threads about her, we are thinking of

how much we LOVE her!

[radicalcapitalist]

9. Makes sense to me...

[nam78_two]

27. I am sure it does

Welcome to DU...I just have this gut feeling we will be friends :yoiks:.

[EFerrari]

11. Ingratitude from hell.

What is the MATTER with people?

[Name removed]

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[rec_report]

14. Well, it's LieberBush - that's its name :)

BTW, I like the cute little dragon guy!
Polar Bear

[Neecy]

13. gee....

Here I thought I was in a place where 'the left' wouldn't be used as a slur. Silly me!

Always nice being taken to task by the DLC.

[WilliamPitt]

15. What shit.

[Chulanowa]

59. Quite concise

Ya took the words out of my mouth, WilliamPitt :)

[HCE SuiGeneris]

16. Another sentiment worthy of disdain...

What is it you REALLY want to say?

[helderheid]

17. *yawn*

[Richard Steele]

18. Sure she is. And Lieberman is a great Dem. Pfft!

[Pale Blue Dot]

19. When you accomplish 1/100th of what she has, let us know. nt

[nam78_two]

26. My sentiments exactly Finnfan.nt

[ComerPerro]

31. 1% of 0 is still 0

[Bluebear]

32. Wow. nt

[uppityperson]

63. She accomplished Zero? wow.

[philosophie_en_rose]

70. Why don't you start a thread about this?

Seriously. This is not a flame or a comment against you. However, there is clearly a divide here. Either some of us are missing something wonderful that we're just not aware of or some of us are posting hyperbole.

Would someone start a thread solely about what she has accomplished? (Not a flamebait thread, but an educational one).

:shrug:

Just curious.

[Pale Blue Dot]

72. No, I won't.

Frankly, I don't think DU needs another Cindy Sheehan thread. I would just say this: DU, a website with thousands and thousands of members, has been talking about her non-stop for two days. How can it be denied that she made an impact? If the person who posted the ignorant, spiteful comment above that "1% of 0 is still 0" left DU tomorrow, nobody would talk about him/her. Almost no one would even notice. I strongly suspect that the same could be said of their "real life." The "hyperbole" that Sheehan did nothing is simply ridiculous.

I have a son. If something happened to him, I would collapse. I would go into some internal hole and never come out. Cindy took that same despair and turned it into a positive force. The whole world noticed her, and they are noticing her still.

I will NEVER, EVER accomplish as much in my life as she has in hers.

Edited to keep this from being deleted.

[lonestarnot]

20. getting your rocks off?

[Bluebear]

22. You said it. nt

[Forkboy]

24. One would need rocks in the first place.

[mmonk]

21. so is the war and those politicians that keep it going.

[Name removed]

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[Bluebear]

25. Amen. nt

[upi402]

28. flame bait

nothing to see, move along

Better for her and the Democrats???
WHAT Democrats... Kucinich, Waters, Lee???

When people giving their lives to right a corrupr government and get mercilessly deflated, this is a sad day.
And she gave her fucking son @#$%^&(!!!!!!

RENT A HEART FROM WAL-MART!!!!!

[LittleClarkie]

30. I suspect the anti war movement HAS been doing fine without her

I'm not sure her impact lately has been that huge.

But then, her impact initially WAS huge, and most folks don't even get that much. Nothing since has matched her original Crawford protest.

I wonder if folks have really been paying as much attention to her since then as some here still do.

I don't know actually. I'd be interested to hear from folks around the country as to how much Cindy still affects them.

[Solon]

34. She put a humanized face on the peace movement, and shouldn't give up on that...

The mistake many people are making is that, for Cindy and most peace activists, they thought the Democratic party was the best way to actually HAVE peace in Iraq. Unfortunately, they overestimated the Democrats' and their values, and hence the Democratic party betrayed them. But it was never Cindy's intention to advance the Democratic party agenda just so the Democrats would win in 2006, but to win and END THE DAMNED WAR! She didn't join the anti-war movement for the Democratic party's sake, but for peace, no more no less, too bad some party loyalists can't see that.

[MH1]

36. "Anti-War Activist Underground" this is not.

It is DEMOCRATIC Underground.

That's nothing against Cindy or anti-war activists per se, just that you shouldn't be surprised to find a few Democratic Party "party loyalists" here at DU.

Oh, and I initially wrote "peace activists" but changed it to "anti-war activists", because - imo - a good portion of the current anti-war movement consists of people who by their actions and rhetoric show that they are no way, no how "peace activists." In my VERY humble opinion, I think this may be part of the problem. Just maybe.

"There is no way to peace. Peace is the way." ~ source escapes me right now.

[KoKo]

37. There are many Anti-Iraq Invasion/Occupation Activists on this board...

you would be surprised. This is not a Democratic LOYALIST Message Board. If you want that why not go over to the DLC Homepage and hang out with the LOYALISTS.

[MH1]

42. I did not say that I wanted that

I am saying one should not be surprised that Democratic Party "loyalists", or people who are generally supportive of the Democratic Party (and thus opposed to those who trash that Party) are here.

But are you telling me to "go away, we don't want your kind here?" (Never mind that you apparently drew an incorrect conclusion about "my kind" from my post. But miscommunication is how a lot of bad things start.)

That's kind of an example of what I mean by the difference between an "anti-war activist" and a "peace activist."

edit for typo.

[uppityperson]

62. When Democrats mess up, they deserve criticism.

I do not consider criticism "trashing", unless it, like much that has been posted towards varied individuals recently, is for the purpose of trashing. I consider myself generally supportive of the Democratic Party, but reserve the right to criticize the hell out of them when they mess up. If you represent me, you are going to hear from me.

[Solon]

40. Read the board rules, other progressives are welcomed here...

besides that, walking in lockstep and being stalwarts for the party is just a little too creepy for me.

[MH1]

41. Of course they are

I'm just saying, don't be surprised that some members of DEMOCRATIC Underground put the DEMOCRATIC Party ahead of following in "lockstep" what some antiwar activists want, or ahead of kowtowing to those activists.

Both are welcome here, I am sure...but I don't think folks who tear down the Democratic Party should expect to be treated with kid gloves by everyone here.

There are ways to achieve our common goals. Then there are ways to drive wedges when one doesn't get everything one thinks one wants.

Everyone gets to choose which way they will strive to be.

[Solon]

44. When the Democratic party fucks up, it deserves a thrashing...

I really am sick of this "My Party, Right or Wrong" bullshit from people.

[jonnyblitz]

51. I agree. these party BOTS are getting fucking annoying. nt

[Solon]

55. Does Rahm Emanuel know how to code? These could be literal bots you know.

:)

[WildEyedLiberal]

60. So people who disagree with you are bots?

I think MH1 was saying that there's room on DU for both people who consider themselves "Democrats first" and people who consider themselves " 'progressives' first."

You, apparently, disagree, since you are making cute little jokes implying that MH1 is some kind of Rahm Emmanuel robot.

Why can't you just discuss things civilly without resorting to little implications that people who disagree with you are trolls? No, not everyone here puts their opposition to the war above their membership as a Democrat. Many people are concerned with other issues besides the war and still believe that the Democratic party is the best way through which to achieve liberal goals in politics. You are perfectly free to believe otherwise, but to imply that Democrats of all stripes - even ones who disagree with the latest anti-war sloganeering - are unwelcome at Democratic Underground is ridiculous.

[BeHereNow]

64. Creepy... how much they resemble the bushbots, aint it? Not to mention the good Germans.

BHN

[herbbrown]

35. She's Not Going anywhere

Listen to her on DemocracyNow today, it's on now here:http://www.kpfa.org/cgi-bin/gen-mpegurl.m3u?server=157.22.130.4&port=8000&mount=icy_0&file=dummy.m3u

Say's she's not going anywhere, just to retool the movement!

[DS1]

38. In case you haven't noticed, the Dems are still spineless cowards

even WITH the majority

[pnorman]

39. n/t

pnorman

[alcibiades_mystery]

43. Wow...this is weird

I agree with you, yet still think you're a douchebag.

Funny, that.

[Cults4Bush]

45. I nominate you as spokesperson for the anti Cindy crowd!

yes you are you are you are!
anti anti anti
lmao... what tripe and arrogance. I also like how you used male terminology to describe a mother (god and hero??? try goddess and heroine)... your intelligence obviously belies the accuracy of your beliefs!

I never once saw anyone worship her, I saw them empathize, I saw them understand, I saw them support her and if not her at least her cause.

No matter... you wont believe what your obviously huge ego wont let you see. Buh bye you cuddly widdle hypocrit:)

[cboy4]

46. Hopefully you won't need to your physician to prescribe

antidepressants once you learn she won't quietly fade away....as much as you wish.

[Le Taz Hot]

47. What's your problem????

Nobody's hero worshipping anyone and no one has put her to god status. We appreciate the fact that she has given up a significant part of her life to the anti-war cause. It's a halluva lot more than YOU and I did!!!!! Or is that just too hard for your obviously limited mental capacity to handle?

Get a fucking clue!!! My ignore list just grew by 1. People like you waste my time.

[Name removed]

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[nam78_two]

50. Doubtful

Those people are usually more smooth than this.

[yurbud]

54. even the OP subject line is right off the list of canned responses

"old news"

"yawn"

"conspiracy theory"

and so on

[Bluebear]

58. All it was missing was "tin foil hat" nt

[PassingFair]

67. What? No "tactics"? n/t

[nam78_two]

49. "the anti-war movement will do fine without her"

So when are you taking over :eyes:?

[bullwinkle428]

52. You're right - Lindsay Lohan is the hot story of the day!

Maybe we can get her to head the anti-war movement...

:sarcasm:

[proud2BlibKansan]

53. Another dead blonde in the news?

[Javaman]

56. People like you will just never get it.

You know what they say about bad opinions right?

[AllieB]

57. Post-n-Run

Never returned to his thread. :shrug:

[Orsino]

61. That the anti-war movement will go on is a testament to her success.

Because she was right, others eventually listened. The anti-war "movement" isn't just a movement anymore. It almost stopped * in his tracks; given a few more months, perhaps it will.

[Individualist]

65. You're old news.

[KG]

66. well, yeah, coz the dems are doing such a bang-up job at ending the war

:eyes:

[philosophie_en_rose]

68. Good luck to you with this one, quinnox.

One thing I've learned over the past few days is that Cindy Sheehan means different things to different people.

There are some that know her personally, so can't imagine that anyone who doesn't know her personally wouldn't already know how personally wonderful she apparently is. Of course she's great. She's their friend. Who wouldn't aggressively defend their friends?

Then there are some who view her as an icon. She's apparently done what they wish they were doing (and assume that everyone else is not doing). Thus, all the "she's done everything ever and you've done nothing" retorts. This is the group that will light the torches for a witchhunt, because apparently anyone thinking anything more complex than sheer worship is sexist, a warmongerer, or a troll. They must be, or their cult is meaningless.

Then there are some people that see her as a person. She's tired. She's not perfect. She needs time off. That's all.

Then there are people that don't see her as the embodiment of the anti-war movement. She's a part of it, of course, but certainly not everything. It existed before her and will exist after.

Then there are people that are visiting from nameless sites and freeperdom, who are enjoying the controversy.

---

To be honest, I don't see Cindy Sheehan as the face of the anti-war movement. I don't think she's been particularly successful at changing votes or practices or discourse in this country. (*cue true believers*). But she obviously means a lot to some people, though I think it's the height of hyperbole to compare her to anyone that has been tortured or created real change. So, let them form their happy fun threads sending roses and begging her to come back. Meh.

[Bluebear]

69. And then there's you, who flits from thread to thread insulting her attempts

I don't know what got up your craw about her.

[Dukkha]

71. what a predictably pretentious statement

ooooh! I'm too cool to care anymore! Look how elite I am!

steaming bullshit.