HIGH TREASON!!!

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VICE-PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY AND KARL ROVE (ET AL.) ARE TRAITORS OF THE HIGHEST ORDER!!! ARREST THEM NOW!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2862464&mesg_id=2862464

[AzDar]

1. You wanna blow them, or shall I?

:rofl:

[MonkeyFunk]

2. as bad as it is

it's not treason.

[AllieB]

3. Outing a covert operator is treason

prove it's not.

[MonkeyFunk]

6. read the constitution

your proof is in there.


Doing something that hurts the country is not necessarily treason. People on both the left and right throw the term around far too easily.

[AllieB]

8. My sister is a constitutional lawyer. It most certainly is treason.

There is no way around it, no matter what beliefs color your interpretation.

[MonkeyFunk]

9. Then please have her explain

how it meets the constitutional definition of treason.

Edit: my sister is a high school principal - that doesn't make me qualified to give you detention.

[AllieB]

10. Since you posited that it DOESN'T

I'd like to hear your sage explanation of why. Please use links and verifiable sources to back up. Thank you. :hi:

[MonkeyFunk]

14. Because the constitutional definition of treason

which is, by the way, the ONLY crime defined in the constitution, requires that the offender levy war against the US (not at issue here), adhere to its enemies, giving them aid and comfort (not at issue here) and requiring the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act (never gonna happen) or upon confession (never gonna happen).


Can you find (or ask your esteemed sister to find one) in which ANY person was ever charged with treason for leaking something like this? It comes nowhere near the stringest requirements of a treason charge.

[sam sarrha]

19. there is also that part about "Levying with them", the Terrorists committed an act of war against us

and and Cheney and Bu$h have given them aid against discovery by destroying the only real intelligence operation against the people who committed an act of war against this United States.. Bu$h and Cheney levyed with them by protecting them..

[MonkeyFunk]

22. levying with them?

can you please try to read better?

[sam sarrha]

28. you, my dear trollet, did not read the Constitution .. LINK>

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleiii.html go down to section 3

one of the accepted definitions of war is ...'in a state of hostility'..

War:from the high german:werra/a state of confusion, strife
levy/to raise, to impose or collect
aid and comfort/ to protect from investigation and discovery by the CIA

to levy with them..... giving aid and comfort..

well shutting down the only CIA covert operation in the middle east seeking weapons of mass destruction when they were getting results.. is aiding the people who committed an act of war against the United States that the CIA was seeking.. and seeking their funding.. which it seems was Cheneys corporation under his knowledge. just google: American Judas

[MonkeyFunk]

24. Hey Allie...

where's your sister's explanation?

[AllieB]

29. Sorry, went to bed last night.

I still didn't see where you provided links, but here's what my sis said a while back. It was more detailed than this but this is the gyst.

Article III, Section 3:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Rove and Cheney gave aid and comfort to an enemy of these United States by a deliberate act of outing a CIA operative who was not known to Iran and whose cover and activities had not been.

That's a very simple explanation. I'm sure you would say that outing a CIA spy is not giving aid and comfort to the enemy, but I wonder if it was the Clinton administration who committed this treason if your answer would be different. Given your obvious bias, I bet it would.

[sam sarrha]

13. Excuse me while i bite my tongue

[MonkeyFunk]

16. no need to bite your tongue

please show me the relevant case law that defines this as treason.

[AllieB]

30. The onus is on our pal to provide evidence that says it ISN'T treason

I have yet to see a link that backs up his claim.

[sam sarrha]

31. i believe i did prove it cause i didnt get a Na na Naaa na naNaaaa, back

i believe he is a her.. just to be polite

[Booster]

4. It's treason in my book and I say LET'S GET EM.

[MonkeyFunk]

7. Unfortunately

your book isn't the law of the land - the constitution is.

[JuniperLea]

5. They put operatives in a dangerous position...

They put a lot of innocent people working with Plame in harms way. They ruined a very important portion of our intelligence operation, which in turn puts the entire USA in danger.

Oh, but it is high treason...

[SPKrazy]

15. Sorry, it is treason monkeyfunk

covert operators are covert for reasons of national security. Treason is not too light a word.

Making it stick, is harder, but it is I believe treason.

[MonkeyFunk]

17. then it should be very simple

for you to quote the law that considers this treason. Please remember that treason is the only crime defined in the constitution.

[SPKrazy]

18. Using your own quotes of the law

one could make the case quite well

the problem being that there won't be people to testify

so it is ultimately a moot point.

but they engaged in war on our country when they put us in danger by outing a covert agent who was working on among other things, WMD proliferation.

Why, our enemies couldn't have asked for a better ally!

[MonkeyFunk]

20. leaking the name of a covert agent

is levying war against the US? Good luck presenting that argument in court.

[SPKrazy]

21. If it aids and abets our enemies

then people have been tried for treason for less haven't they?

[MonkeyFunk]

23. Not everything that aids our enemies is treason

try harder.

[SPKrazy]

25. How so?

if it enables our enemies to possibly endanger us with WMD, then that's pretty fucking bad isn't it?

I'm at the point of guessing, and you seem like maybe you know what you are talking about, i don't know, but if not treason, then isn't there a law that * #1 signed into law regarding the outing of covert agents? Less than treason, but still something that is a damned crime.

I think you know that the deal is FRUSTRATION that these asshats go on and on doing whatever they apparently want to, and you know if it were a dem, that there would indeed be hell to pay in these situations.

I mean they wanted to impeach a sitting president for allegedly lying about sex with an intern. (I say allegedly because i am not sure that the original charge was ever proven, he did admit he mislead, which is different than out and out perjury)

so we are to sit on our hands why they out covert agents, torture prisoners in violation of all past precedent and the Geneva conventions, which they say don't count.

:grr:

Okay, educate me monkey, what the hell can we do? Don't tell me nothing... I will spontaneously combust as i sit here! :D

[MonkeyFunk]

26. If your'e so sure of your position...

it should be very easy to find one single case where treason was charged against someone like this.

What? You can't do so? Hrmm....

[SPKrazy]

27. Hey Monkey

go back and re-read my last post

I've already basically agreed with you

and you still want to give it to me?

:shrug:

peace

[magellan]

11. Of course they are, and not just for outing Plame

But it matters not to those who could do something about it.

[Rex]

12. If only it worked that way.