Okay, I admit it. I have Biden withdrawal.

[Eurobabe]

This week has really taken the wind out of my enthusiasm sails for BO.

I wish things were different.

I am sick of Obama's nuances. And frequent apologizing. It's getting old. :eyes: Just STFU and take a stand.

Edit: I posted an article about Obama from the AJC, and now some long time member just called me a tool, lapping up anal leakage. Jesus, GDP is as disgusting as it ever was.

[Muttocracy]

1. understood. This gap time between primary and convention is frustrating

and all the more reason it was stupid for campaigns to start in early 2007, IMHO. Based on what's really going on in the world right now (Iraq, Iran, oil, changes to the economy, constitutional issues, etc.) it's hard to believe this turned out to be an Obama-Clinton race. Should have been a Biden-Kerry-Dodd-Gore race or something.

Oh well, it'll all work out. Fortunately, McCain and his crew seem quite adept at saying outrageous things and sinking their own ship.

[Eurobabe]

9. And TV is just so brutal

Can you believe we are going to have to endure this SHIT for another almost 5 months? :puke:

[Muttocracy]

12. glad I don't have a TV and trying to limit my online clip viewing :)

[gateley]

2. Agree --

I find I don't read statements or articles about Obama, don't watch footage of his appearances, etc. I was for a little while because I was begging to feel the 'hope'. Not anymore. It's just been so disappointing.

[Eurobabe]

10. I did, and I was excited when he got the nom

but there is something cocky that has come out in him lately, and I am not sure whether I like it or not. Did any of you catch the interview with his family on Access Hollywood (it's on youtube also) something about the way he was with Sasha when she was talking made me feel odd, like he was afraid she was going to pop out with something that would damage his rep. It was the first segment. I start to wonder if he is a control freak? :shrug:

His youth and inexperience are showing, I find myself once again wishing it was Joe who was sitting there instead of BO. :(

[jillan]

3. I was wondering how you guys were feeling about Obama these days.

I never saw him as anything other than a politician that will say and do anything to get elected. Funny - huh? That's what his camp used against Hillary.

That said, I will work my behind off to get him elected because he is 10000000x better than InSane.

[murbley40]

5. I feel as I always did about him..

:thumbsdown:

[gateley]

6. Yeah -- about the same --

with the brief spell of excitement long gone.

I was never a rabid supporter, and never in the ballpark of my support of Joe.

And it is funny, how you viewed Obama is how I viewed Hillary (which was why I chose Obama). We all respond differently and base our choices accordingly.

But we ALL agree on Joe - and it seems more and more people are seeing the light these days.

[Eurobabe]

8. I don't know why I fall for it...

I always try to give the POLS the benefit of the doubt, but I guess 98% of them are truly cut from the same evil cloth.

My DA coordinator wants me to host meet ups for Obama, however I don't really have the enthusiasm for it now. I'll vote natch, yet I think I am going to back off a little bit, it is driving me crazy. I don't want to care anymore. Sad but true.

[Muttocracy]

13. I felt that way about both Hillary and Obama, less so Obama

I seriously doubt I'd be any happier with Hillary.

Neither one is Biden.

And yeah, both are a million times better than McCain.

[PatSeg]

4. The offending post has been deleted

I never was terribly enthusiastic about Obama, but he was growing on me. His vote on FISA was a major letdown. Right now, he is "better than McCain".

[Eurobabe]

7. Wow, I had put my own thread on ignore

:rofl: :rofl: Once I saw the first nasty comment, and I had already said DON'T SHOOT the MESSENGER, I figured :wtf: and hid it. LOL.

[jillan]

14. Ok - I have a confession to make.

I had *you* on ignore for months.
You really made me mad one night when I was out there actively supporting Hillary.
You snapped at me with something like - pirhana, I will talk to you when the primaries are over (something like that). One day after Obama won the nomination I was here in the Biden group and kept seeing responses by Ignore, and that's when I took you off of ignore.

How funny to think about that now. I was really mad at you :rofl:
Obama was right when he called it silly season.

Anyway - it's good to have all that behind us. :grouphug:

[Eurobabe]

22. LMAO, it was mutually assured destruction

That was the night I put you on ignore too, but only to save the friendship. It's alright, see ignore is a worthwhile feature.

It saved us, and we are still friends. :hug:

Now about Obama, hmmmm, what is UP with him these days? Should I put him on ignore until October?

I had another friend from my photography group on ignore too, actually 2 of them, but all is well there. Ignore can be your best ally, if you want to save relationships on here.

:grouphug:

[jillan]

27. That is so funny that you put me on ignore too!

It was really hard out there for awhile as the Bidenites went in different directions and I'd come across some of their posts.

Oh well. Thru thick and thin, us Bidenites seem to stick together.

[PatSeg]

20. Oh how funny!

That's something you don't see every day.

[gateley]

11. Yeah - that expresses it well.

"He was growing on me." And ditto about the letdown.

[PatSeg]

21. I've pretty much lowered my expectations

so I won't feel betrayed at times like this. I like the guy and I think he is really smart, but I'm not hooked on him.

[Muttocracy]

15. heaping on the feeling...

I'm listening to the Judiciary Committee hearing from yesterday - a wide variety of questions.

Just like listening to SFRC, Biden does such a terrific job of asking questions on a wide variety of topics.

I feel like I'm emotionally going back to January, when I couldn't imagine any of the remaining candidates being as competent as Biden or Dodd :(

[jillan]

16. That's why I think I am getting so excited about the prospect of Joe being Veep.

Obama needs him.

[Muttocracy]

17. hey, if Cheney can run Bush's presidency...

seriously though, we need a team of like 10 people to fix up the mess of the last 8 years. All hands on deck!

[livvy]

24. The good news...

think about who in the Senate Obama is closest to...

Kennedy
Kerry
Biden
Dodd

Not a bad crew. I wonder if he is close to Feingold, although I've heard he sort of keeps to himself. Can't say that I blame him.

[Eurobabe]

23. Definitely

I'll sum up my feelings about Obama this way. At very first in 2007, I thought Obama was the one for me. Then I started listening to the debates, and I saw how competent, smart, well-rounded and funny Joe was -- I said, BO is too wet behind the ears for this, YET. I even thought Hillary was better in the debates most of the time than BO. So I got behind JRB, happily.

After Joe left the race, I pondered my decision for a good few weeks before my primary came, 2/5, and I had to make up my mind, who should I support? I didn't care for Richardson, he droned, I wasn't crazy about Edwards, HRC, I won't go there, so it was kind of Obama by default. Then it got to be, well between HRC and BO and I guess I got rabid on WJC and HRC.

I can't say I ever fell truly in love with BO, there were moments when I really liked what he said, and others when I thought he was really obtuse. I hope that BO is just not another one of those "say what the people want to hear in order to get elected politicians." However lately, I find myself wishing that Biden was the nominee, and we were looking at BO as VP.

My husband says he thinks that some whacko will try to take out Obama, I shudder at the thought. :scared:

[livvy]

18. Tell me about it....GDP, still the snake pit.

I posted something in there last Sunday about not "picking apart Obama" until after we got him elected, when we had a leisurely 4-8 years to do it, and someone ended up calling me "lazy and ignorant" because I said Obama is what he is. By that I meant that there was no way to agree with him on everything, his platform was never going to be as progressive as most of us would like, and that cutting him down was not going to get him elected. The main point of my post was that getting him elected (like 'em, love 'em, or not) was imperative, because McShame is just not an acceptable option.

It's the first time I've ever come close to losing my cool, and almost alerted on him. I told him he really didn't want to get into a pissing match with me, which was sooo mature of me, but gads I was pissed. I ended up finding a couple of his own quotes which pretty much said much the same as I was saying, and posted them, and asked if he had perhaps changed his position. ;-)

And I miss the straight talk of Biden, too. Plain truth, and if you don't get it, let me explain it in another way. (sigh)

I agree...Obama...just take a stand, stick with it, and fight back. That's what his supporters expect from him. His FISA vote really ticked me off. I'll work to get him elected, but not with the enthusiasm I would have for Biden.

Hell for Biden I'd wear a



and dance on a corner.

[jillan]

19. lol - that is hysterical!

I think we all would do crazy things for Biden.

[Eurobabe]

25. Yeah McBush is not an option.

I just hope Obama has the good judgment to see that Biden would complete the ticket. Joe has what BO lacks, a knowledge of Washington DC. Hope and change are great, but you still have to know how to work within the system in order to change it. Say what you will, BO's still going to need to know how to get things done in the snakepit of DC.

Honestly livvy, I don't pay too much attention to the policy-wonk stuff, but yeah the FISA cave made me really ticked off. I never expected to be head over heels for BO, would IMHO be dangerous, with any politician. Our smart group of Bidenites already know that! ;)

[gateley]

26. His vote

(BO's) on the FISA thing makes me question his judgment.

I understand the argument that he didn't 'want to appear weak on terror', but look what happened. The general public probably didn't even know there was a FISA vote, or what FISA is, and by voting as he did he's disillusioned a lot of the very people who supported him enthusiastically and got him to where he is.

I think that will be further reflected when they release the June contribution figures. It was pretty bad for May, and I think it'll be worse for June.

It's almost as though he feels he's got a lock on the Dems who supported him, so now he's turning his focus elsewhere. Again, it makes me question his judgment.

With Joe (can't help but compare everything against what Joe would do) -- he would have voted his convictions. He wouldn't have been swayed by politics. Remember when he said, about voting to give funding to the war, "Oh, I know what the RIGHT vote would have been. There are some things worth losing over." We would have hated Joe's vote if he voted in favor, but we wouldn't be questioning his motives or strength of character. That's what's happening with Obama (for me).

[jillan]

28. You know what I worry about most?

Is if this is going to effect his fundraising ability.
It was his base that was motivated and sending him oodles of cash. Now he pissed many of them off.

I know someone from Chicago who was for Obama from the beginning. Volunteered in his headqtrs.
Was an activist to help him get the nom.
Now is completely delusioned. Of course he will still vote for Obama, but the excitement is gone.

I believe that Obama is a highly intelligent man and knows what he is doing, even if we don't agree.

What I want to know, is how Keith Olbermann is feeling these days?? ah - that's a discussion for another day, another thread.

[gateley]

29. I think it'll have a great impact on his fundraising.

And like your friend, for so many the excitement is gone. Like finding your spouse cheating or something.

His numbers were down in May (worse - McCain raised almost the same amount), and I think this month's aren't going to be too thrilling. When they're impressive, they always seem to 'leak' the info, but so far not a peep. NEXT month, after this vote, I think the fundraising for July will show a REAL hit.

The only hope is, most people aren't even aware of this (although I don't have a reason for last month's less than stellar figures.)

[Muttocracy]

30. you know, the "flip-flop" on FISA will probably get more media attention than if

he had just voted the way he had said he would before.

Though some have said if there's a terror attack/rumor/whatnot in October Obama wants to be on the correct side of the issue for terror voters. :shrug:

Maybe this is why McCain rarely votes

[CrispyQ]

31. This will be the most unenthusiastic vote I've placed for president in my life.

Granted I didn't vote in '84, '88, '92, '96 or '00. I was so fucking pissed off about '80 & how the repukes had manipulated the Iran hostage crisis I completely dropped out of civics. I couldn't believe the American people were so fucking stupid as to vote in a second rate actor. I figured they deserved what they got. I was young & stupid & didn't realize that I would get stuck with what they got, too.

I honestly do not see what people find inspiring about Obama. Or Clinton for that matter.

I've got bad Biden withdrawal!!

(And his name still crops up in spell check! :grr:)

[gateley]

32. Obama's name gets nailed in spell check, too --

if that helps at all. :)

[CrispyQ]

33. It didn't get nailed in my post.

They probably added it since he's the nominee.

[gateley]

35. Oh -- you were actually doing a spell-check!

I never do as must be evident from my posts.

I thought you meant the little red line that shows up under a word when you're typing it. It showed up under Obama, but when I hit return, it disappears.

They'd better get Biden in the loop -- our next SOS!

[CrispyQ]

36. A little red line???

I've never seen a little red line while typing a post. Clearly there are features to DU that I'm not aware of.

[Muttocracy]

37. I think it depends on your browser or even version somehow

I don't get the spellcheck marks now (they're like the ones in MS Word, which I happen to have deactivated!). But on some other computers I do.

[gateley]

38. Safari. Apple wants to ensure I have every

opportunity to catch my errors before embarrassing myself. Sometimes it works.

[WheelWalker]

34. Tool? Tool is not a thing to avoid being. Tool is.