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magbana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-06-09 08:57 PM
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D. Barahona: "Zelaya Holds US Responsible if Putschists Continue in Power"
CANTV: Zelaya holds US responsible if putschists continue in power
Posted by: "Diana Barahona" dlbarahona@charter.net dlbarahona
Mon Jul 6, 2009 1:27 pm (PDT)


This is the only site where I saw it reported that President Zelaya is holding
the Obama administration responsible if the country continues under military siege.

His comments can be heard here as well. It is astounding that he was unable to
land at the US air base, 50 miles north-west of Tegucigalpa. That base is a
guest of the Honduran government, of which Zelaya is the constitutional head.

http://cantv.radiomundial.com.ve/yvke/noticia.php?27969

As Zelaya headed for Managua, after failing to land at the Toncontin airport in
Tegucigalpa, he spoke with TeleSur by phone. The president indicated that he
would meet with the rest of the presidents of the OAS to se what solution they
devise in view of the fact that obstacles were placed on the runway, and that he
will have to seek other ways of entering the country beginning tomorrow, Monday.

"Beginning tomorrow, the responsibility for this falls on the superpowers,
especially on the United States," he said. "It must take immediate action. I
have received calls today from diverse world figures, and in the coming minutes,
we will give information about our next moves."

"This is a barbarity, I condemn it before the international community. Someone
has to bring order when an armed group assaults the government of a country, as
these putschists did in Honduras." He added that "The United Nations or another
organization has to have sufficient capacity when a people is
trampled."

He regretted that the people were not able to break the military encirclement,
because if they had, they would have removed the obstacles from the runway.

Indicque se reunir con el resto de los presidentes de la OEA para ver qu
soluci se toman en vista de que colocaron obstulos en la pista, y que tendr
que buscar otras formas de entrar al pa a partir de mana lunes.

"A partir de mana, la responsabilidad de esto recae sobre las potencias,
especialmente sobre los Estados Unidos", indic "Debe tomar acciones
inmediatas. He recibido llamadas hoy de diversas personalidades del mundo, y el
los primos minutos informaremos de las primas acciones".

"Esto es una barbarie, lo denuncio ante la Comunidad Internacional. Alguien
tiene que poner orden cuando un grupo armado asalte el gobierno de un pa, como
lo hicieron estos golpistas en Honduras". Aseverque "las Naciones Unidas u
otra organizaci tiene que tener suficiente capacidad cuando un pueblo es
atropellado".

Lamentque la gente no hubiera podido romper el cculo militar, porque de
haberlo hecho, ellos hubieran quitado los obstulos de la pista.
--
"If we do not bring an end to the capitalist system, it will be impossible to
save the Earth." Evo Morales
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-06-09 09:01 PM
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1. Why did Obama keep a RW Cuban as US ambassador to Honduras?
Hugo Llorens actions prior to the coup are a big red flag as to the game being played here. Obama doesn't want to offend a chunk of his base, but at the same time he has allied himself with the DLC neoliberals and the Honduran elites.

In trying to have it both ways, Obama will catch hell from both sides in the ideological divide, and deservingly so.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-06-09 09:04 PM
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2. its for Hondurans to work it out
the US shouldn't usurp the Honduran system. if Zelaya wants to return put him on a helicopter from Nicaragua or El Salvador, or take a bus to the border. the Hondurans can deal with him then.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-06-09 09:08 PM
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3. We saw how Pinocheletti worked it out: shooting unarmed demonstrators
The Pinocheletti regime is the one that usurped the Honduran system. They should be facing the paredón!
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-06-09 09:12 PM
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4. so did Zelaya, that's why he was kicked out. again, its for Hondurans to work out
don't you agree? if Hondurans want to take him back, keep him away, or work out some sort of compromise, its up to them. not Chavez, not Obama, not you.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-06-09 09:15 PM
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5. By 'Hondurans' and 'them' you only mean the Honduran elites
including that rightwing cow that posts from San Pedro Sula whining that her income of $200K a year was threatened by Zelaya increasing the minimum wage.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-06-09 09:21 PM
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6. no, is that who you mean? Myself, I believe the Honduran people and
Edited on Mon Jul-06-09 09:22 PM by Bacchus39
their elected representatives. Honduras has to follow its constitutional process as Honduras interprets it. not outside interveners. why would you want that?

I saw a post from Eva saying, "no early election." why not? if that is their decision.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-07-09 12:30 AM
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7. Bacchus, you are just repeating the narrative written by the International Republican
Institute--an arm of the Republican Party funded by US taxpayers used for massive interference in foreign countries-- the USAID-NED and other such funds, as well as covert funds, all for this purpose--multi-millions of our tax dollars poured into rightwing groups in Honduras and other countries, expressly to give massive advantage to the rich in the political processes of the country, and to foster corrupt regimes that will give away the country's resources and enslave its people for the benefit of global corporate predators.

See:
The Role of the International Republican Institute (IRI) in the Honduran Coup
The International Republican Institute talks of “coup” in Honduras, months before
By Eva Golinger
http://www.chavezcode.com/

The narrative that you are mouthing--that what we are seeing in this rightwing coup is somehow democracy!--was written in Washington DC. The IRI and other coup-makers then expended millions of dollars funding, training, organizing and advising their local proxies in how to implement it. Made-in-the-USA.

The onus for proving that it is democratic is on the coup. They are the ones who have suspended all civil rights in the country. They are the ones who have more than 600 political prisoners now in jail. They are the ones who shot up the presidential palace, dragged the president from his bed at gunpoint, put him on a plane with blacked out windows and flew him out of the country. They are the ones who have arrested and harassed reporters, even CNN and AP! They are the ones who surrounded public buildings and TV stations with troops, and shut down only TV stations that didn't approve of the coup. They are the ones who excluded members of the national assembly who disapproved of the coup from meetings and votes--then lied that what they had done was unanimous. They are the ones who issued an arrest warrant for Zelaya whose only crimes that I can see are raising the minimum wage and other mild reforms and proposing an advisory vote of all the people on holding a Constitutional assembly to discuss, re-write and vote on the Constitution--a perfectly legal action under the current Constitution. An advisory vote!

They are the ones who are presumably in control of the military, which shot up Zelaya supporters at the airport, killing at least one boy and wounding others. Why? To prevent Zelaya from landing in Honduras and confronting them. 'Arrest me or not! Here I am!' That's Zelaya. But they don't have any kind of case against him and they know it. If they did, they would have followed Constitutional and legal process to begin with, impeached him for whatever laws they claim he has broken, provided him with a lawyer and the ability to defend himself, and then we would see what's what. They couldn't give a crap about their own Constitution, his rights or anyone's rights, or fairness or justice or civil order. They are exactly like Bushwhacks; they are illegitimate powermongers, and that is no surprise since the Bushwacks wrote their script.

And the US is supposed to sit back and keep pouring multi-millions of dollars into this country's military, and multi-millions in other aid, and let the 600 political prisoners rot in jail, and let the elected president of the country continue to be exiled and unable to return to his own country and his rightful position? And Venezuela is supposed to continue delivering cheap oil to Honduras, in a deal negotiated by Zelaya, while Zelaya is exiled and the military proceeds to harass, beat up, arrest and kill his supporters? None of the US's business? None of Venezuela's business? None of Ecuador's? None of Nicaragua's, or other trading partners? They're just supposed to ignore the state of siege in Honduras and continue business as usual? That is crazy and unrealistic and blind.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-07-09 12:53 AM
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8. He is one of them
and the other fella, that shall remain nameless, is part of RW internet operation. The only one for real, is the RW that lives in San Pedro Sula. At least she is honest.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-07-09 01:45 PM
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9. It certainly looks that way, and I am reminded of Donald Rumsfeld's op-ed
of Dec. 1, 2007 (a year after his 'retirement'), in the Washington Post, entitled, "The Smart Way to Defeat Tyrants Like Hugo Chavez," in which tyrant Rumsfeld urges a US psyops campaign (he doesn't call it that) on "the internets" to bolster Exxon Mobil's interests in Latin America (in so many words), along with urging "swift action" by the US in support of "friends and allies" in Latin America. Since the US--as a result of Bushwhack policy and decades of hard work on honest elections by grass roots groups and others--has almost no "friends and allies" among the elected leaders of Latin America, who does he mean by "friends and allies"--except the fascists who are plotting coups like we just saw in Honduras against the elected governments? A year after his op-ed, we saw the Bushwhacks funding and organizing similar coupsters (and killers) in Bolivia, right out of the US embassy. Was the plan there for "swift action" by the US in support of the white separatists (who were trying to gain control of Bolivia's gas, oil and lithium)? I think it was, but it was foiled by the united action of South America's leaders in support of Evo Morales' government. Now we see another coup plan unfold, in the strategically located "lily pad" country of Honduras.

In any case, Rumsfeld clearly saw that the Dark Lords are losing the information war on the internet. Is that why we have all of these one sentence "hit and run" posters, touting rightwing "talking points" and rarely having even the slightest of facts or background, or even the ability to argue the rightwing cause? They're just paid to monotonously repeat the garbage coming out of rightwing "think tanks" over and over again--to brainwash unwary readers with planted psyops items like "Chavez the dictator"? I have to say that I strongly suspect so.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-07-09 03:08 PM
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12. Not really. Spamming DU with sock puppets isn't all that honest.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-07-09 02:00 PM
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10. two weeks ago you said Zelaya wasn't a leftist and was like Uribe
now you change your tune.

I never said the removal of Zelaya was appropriate. or that any actions taken by the coups government are in accordance with their own laws. I say its up to Honduras to decide what to do with him. all of my posts have supported Honduran sovereignty or demonstrated the people's opinion. not an endorsement of forced removal.

I say let him back in and try him if they have the evidence. or allow him to resign. or even allow him to serve out his term. its their call.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-07-09 03:02 PM
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11. "its their call"? The "call" of coupsters? I don't think so. They had their chance
to do whatever they were going to do legally. They chose to do it by violence and usurpation. That ends their legitimacy as the government of Honduras.

As for Zelaya not being a leftist, he wasn't. He changed course and sided with the poor majority--a betrayal of his class for which the rich elite in Honduras will never forgive him.

I compared him to Uribe--the rightwing leader of narco/fascist Colombia, who bribed congress members to extend his term of office? I did not. Promulgators of rightwing "talking points" were trying to slander Zelaya by referring to their OTHER lie, that Hugo Chavez "changed the Constitution" in Venezuela, to lift his term limit. It was the voters of Venezuela who changed the Venezuelan Constitution to lift ALL term limits even on rightwing governors, although it was clearly a referendum on Chavez, who enjoys an average 60% approval rating in Venezuela, for good reason. Zelaya--according to the Associated Pukes (and, as it turned out, that devious pollster Mitofsky)--does not--or DID not--have numbers like that, and seemed to be pushing the issue (of his term limit) without having grass roots organization and majority support. However, I have since READ the referendum that he was proposing--translated and posted at BoRev.net. It is a TOTAL LIE of our corpo/fascist media that the referendum had anything to do with term limits. It has absolutely nothing to do with term limits--a lie that is repeated over and over again in our media--and was a simple ADVISORY vote: Do you or don't you want to form public assemblies to discuss, re-write and vote on the Constitution? And even that had no force of law. It was little more than an opinion poll.

For THAT, he was dragged from his bed at gunpoint and spirited out of the country! For THAT, the military took over Honduras with martial law!

Why. didn't. the. Honduran. rich. elite. want. a. vote. on. that. issue? Hm? It was perfectly legal and Constitutional to hold such a vote. So why did they stop it--with a military coup? One can only presume that they knew that they would lose--that the majority of Hondurans do want reform, and would have expressed it in that vote. And that raises the question of who is being polled in Honduras, on the issue of Zelaya's popularity? Are polls by someone like Mitofsky honest and valid? A vote on the proposed advisory referendum may well have exposed the falsity of the "talking point" that Zelaya is not popular. And would have established that the majority want fundamental reform.

Please permit me to revise my opinion as events unfold--and as the lies of our corpo/fascist media are exposed. We are all taken in by their lies and disinformation from time to time. I was taken in, for a short time, by their goddamned lie that the referendum was about Zelaya's term limit. In that context, it seemed like Zelaya was self-promoting without much support--which of course was the point of this oft-repeated, rightwing 'think tank' talking point (brainwashing Big Lie)--to de-legitimize Zelaya, to make his reformist stance appear to be self-seeking, to blackhole his genuine reformist accomplishments (such as raising the minimum wage), and to justify this completely unjustified military/rightwing junta.

If I implied that Zelaya was like Uribe, I was wrong. He isn't like Uribe. He doesn't even stand to benefit from Constitutional reform, which would take place long after he is out of office. And he is siding with the country's poor and dispossessed. Uribe is a fascist who benefits from death squads and drug trafficking, and promotes the interests of the rich elite and U.S. corporations and war profiteers in Colombia. Zelaya opposes "free trade," and supports "fair trade," opposes the miserable, failed, corrupt, murderous US "war on drugs" and favors legalisation, and is backed by labor unions, indigenous farmers and other representatives of the majority poor, who get NO representation in the corpo/fascist press or in the halls of government in Honduras. That is why he was so roughly ousted. And those who did it have no legitimacy as a democracy whatsoever. Whatever anyone thinks of Zelaya's policies or political abilities, or level of support, or strategic alliances--or however anyone judges him as the president of Honduras--his removal was a heinous and illegal act which deserves punishment, not a say in what happens next. The coupsters have proven who they are. They have no right to rule, no right to appoint a president, no right to hold elections--which would only be a farce in their hands--and no right to sit at the table where the future of Honduras is determined. And that of course is the problem. Like the Bushwhacks, they have power but no legitimacy.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-07-09 03:19 PM
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13. says who, you??? who determines what is legal in Honduras??
ultimately its Honduras. Now the international community can point out discrepencies and they aren't following there own procedures and apply pressure but Hondurans have to figure out what is best. Look at the Iran fiasco. a stolen election, but what can be done really. absent an invasion, a la Hugo Chavez proposal, its still up to Iranians to work it out. they have a much greater problem than Honduras since the current government in Honduras doesn't appear to want to be in this mess and wants to get beyond the situation.

but hey, if Zelaya wants to return fine. Honduras can impeach him and try him as they said they would. Let the process work itself out. He's gone in 6 months anyway and his proposed constitutional changes won't go through.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-07-09 07:30 PM
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14. says who? Kidnapping the legitimate, elected president of a country at gunpoint,
shooting up the presidential palace, and spiriting the president out of the country against his will violate the OAS and UN treaties and common law everywhere. That is why the OAS, the UN General Assembly and the EU universally condemned it and why Barack Obama, for all his dragging of feet (if that's what it is) immediately called it "illegal." It's not "according to me" though I have a right to my independent judgment of the facts, especially since my tax dollars are funding all this--the military kidnapping the president and shooting protesters. I am hardly alone in my assessment.

The Iran election is a different matter entirely, because the US is not funding the Iranian military and its rightwing groups. In Honduras, we are. There are therefore measures that the US can take, short of invasion, to force the coup out--the big one being to withdraw all funding of the military, the government and the rightwing political groups.

"...the current government in Honduras doesn't appear to want to be in this mess."

What planet are you living on? THEY did it. They created "this mess." They had plenty of legal means with which to address their beefs with Zelaya. They chose violent overthrow and usurpation. Zelaya, by proposing an ADVISORY VOTE on re-writing the Constitution, and by raising the minimum wage, and other measures to improve the lot of the poor, did not cause "this mess." It is entirely on their heads.

"...and wants to get beyond the situation."

Yup, they sure do--with their oligarchic power in tact. They have invited the censure of the whole world, by their own action. They have kidnapped, jailed, beaten up, intimidated and killed people, and utterly violated the rules of democracy. Now they want to "negotiate." But they have forfeited their right to sit at any such table. The US should de-fund them immediately, demand that they stand down, support a UN peacekeeping force, if necessary, and support the OAS evaluating the potential for a valid election and holding strongly supervised elections. This is a coup situation. There is nothing to negotiate. But, obviously, the power situation--that the coup holds the reigns of government and commands the Honduran military--complicates the problem of restoring democracy in Honduras. De-funding the coup would likely solve that problem.

"...but hey, if Zelaya wants to return fine. Honduras can impeach him and try him as they said they would. Let the process work itself out."

The "process"? What "process" would that be? The Oligarchy doesn't gets its way and shoots up the presidential palace and kidnaps the president, and declares martial law? That's the "process" they've chosen--violence. They have forfeited any right to "try" Zelaya. It is they who should be on trial. You write as if that violence didn't occur. They not only committed violence as their choice of "process," their action points to the emptiness of their allegations against Zelaya. If they had a case, why didn't they prosecute it? And it further points to their likely LOSS of the referendum on Constitutional reform. It was an ADVISORY vote of the people. Why was that so scary to them? Because it would likely reflect the desire of the majority poor for fundamental reform in Honduras, and, if a Constitutional assembly could have been arranged--to discuss, re-write and hold a vote on the Constitution--they likely stood to lose some of their entrenched, corrupt power over others. That is likely why they went another route--into gross misconduct, illegality and violence. Unless things are rigged in their favor, from decades of corruption, entrenchment and greed--fostered by our own government--they will be compelled to live in a real democracy in which social justice and the sovereignty of the Honduran people are the rightful goals.



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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-07-09 08:21 PM
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15. Is he still holding the Obama Admin responsible?


I wonder what made Zelaya back off from this statement.

- Pressure from Hillary - my way or the highway
- Recognition that it's not going to work to re-enter Honduras
- Recognition that he might win via Arias if he can speak his piece
- Holding out for a voice for the people, no matter how small


>>>This is the only site where I saw it reported that President Zelaya is holding
the Obama administration responsible if the country continues under military siege.
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magbana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-07-09 08:33 PM
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16. Thank goodness I found the Diana Barahona article and shared it with DU LatAm
Edited on Tue Jul-07-09 08:37 PM by magbana
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HCCanada Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 01:09 AM
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17. The Zelaya Removal is NOT a "military" coup -- The Micheletti government is not a "Putsch"
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 01:17 AM by HCCanada
Ladies and gentlemen:

Manuel Zelaya was discharged from the office of President of the Republic of Honduras by the express terms of the Constitution which he, himself, had sworn to uphold in order to exercise power after being elected.

In other words, there is more to Democracy than the naked vote.

Mr. Zelaya then perjured himself by attempting to overthrow the Constitutional powers of another branch of Honduran government in order to exercise those powers for himself. That is called usurpation.

Noun: Perjury - 1. Criminal offense of making false statements under oath;
Synonyms: bearing false witness, lying under oath
In French: "serment fictif" (false oath)

Another Noun: Usurpation - 1. Entry to another's property without right or permission
2. Wrongfully seizing and holding (an office or powers) by force (especially the seizure of a throne or supreme authority)
Synonyms: encroachment, intrusion, trespass, violation

Mr. Zelaya was informed by the other branches that by his actions, he was trespassing on the Constitutional structure, but he refused to stop. In fact, he escalated his violations.

In contempt for the Constitution and for constituted authority in Honduras, he raised a mob. They broke in violently and entered facilities where the ballot boxes and voting equipment had been secured precisely to prevent Zelaya's carrying off his intended usurpation of the powers of another Constitutional body, which, alone, has the right to conduct a referendum to change the Constitution.

Notwithstanding the clear and express terms of the Constitution (set out in a video by Chloe Buckhingham and embedded at my blog); and despite the clear advance warnings he received from the other branches of government, Zelaya intended to hold the very referendum the written Constitution forbids to the President. And, again, he had sworn to uphold THAT existing Constitution.

The terms of the Constitution having thus automatically discharged him, and Zelaya refusing to leave, legal proceedings were taken and an interlocutory order of arrest was issued by the Supreme Court of Honduras mandating his immediate removal for perjury, usurpation, and treason.

"Constitutional removal" in French: "destitution constitutionnelle".

Noun: Treason - 1. "A crime that undermines the offender's government"
2. Disloyalty by virtue of subversive behaviour
3. An act of deliberate betrayal
Synonyms: perfidy, treachery

A copy of those proceedings, in Spanish, and the arrest warrant are embedded in the right-hand margin to my blog. In a civilized country, the steps taken to remove Mr. Zelaya are called the "Rule of Law". He was certainly not taken by "surprise".

The key question is, if Mr. Zelaya felt so wronged by the decision of the Supreme Court of Honduras, why did he not immediately instruct lawyers to launch a Constitutional challenge to reverse his removal order and arrest?

On the subject of the duty of the judiciary to control the Executive, so as to keep them within or (legal term: "under") the Constitution, please read my blog:

http://honduras-not-a-military-coup.blogspot.com/

Adjective: under - 1. Located below or beneath something else
2. Lower in rank, power, or authority
3. Below some quantity or limit

In Honduras, as in other civilized countries, the Constitution is the limit, and the ultimate authority on who gets to exercise power, at what time, and in what manner. And it is the job of the Judiciary to guard the Constitution against transgressors. Again, Mr. Zelaya swore to uphold his country's Constitution, meaning its authority, and its limits. However, he did not do so. Mr. Zelaya was therefore lawfully removed by order of the Supreme Court of Honduras pursuant to Constitutional proceedings, and this after warnings.

In conclusion, the government of Mr. Micheletti is de jure, although interim. It is manifestly incorrect to refer to that government as a "Putsch"; there is no military "siege" or military "rule" in Honduras. Any chaos in Honduras which has elicited military intervention has been wreaked by Mr. Zelaya and his tiny and gratuitously violent faction of supporters. Who, moreover, according to hard-hitting journalist Mary Anastasia O'Grady in "The FARC’s Honduran Friends", are connected with "the most important South American supplier of illegal drugs to North America—the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204251404574340570960456550.html

Adjective: de jure - 1. By right; according to law
Synonyms: lawfully, legally

Of course, there may be some seditious reason why certain people in certain quarters would refer to a civilian Executive, Judiciary and Congress as a "putsch" (military coup). Those would no doubt be people who don't like civilized countries, and their lawful Constitutions, or the inconvenience of playing by the Democratic game rules, all of which requires decency and integrity.

Kathleen Moore
HABEAS CORPUS CANADA
The Official Legal Challenge
To North American Union
www.habeascorpuscanada.com
My own videos: http://hccvideocatalog.blogspot.com

Blogs: http://canadian-state-of-the-union.blogspot.com/
http://northamericansovietunion.blogspot.com/ (under construction)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 01:20 AM
Response to Reply #17
18. I think you must be lost. We don't do right wing bulleria here. n/t
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HCCanada Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 02:46 AM
Response to Reply #18
20. #17: The Zelaya Removal is NOT a "military" coup -- The Micheletti government is not a "Putsch"
No, I'm not lost, at all.

Can't you tolerate a little heat and light down here in the cold Dark Underground?

Kathleen Moore
HABEAS CORPUS CANADA
The Official Legal Challenge
To North American Union
www.habeascorpuscanada.com
Blog: http://honduras-not-a-military-coup.blogspot.com

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 02:49 AM
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21. Heat and light, sure. Right wing baloney, not so much.
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 02:50 AM by EFerrari
Instead of posting your manifesto, your time would be better spent reading the forum.

If you still cling to your position, you need to call every deliberative world body and inform them that they are wrong and you are right. Then, alert the media.
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HCCanada Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 04:29 AM
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23. Heat and light: indeed, I have already told them they are wrong.
I already have contacted the U.N., the O.A.S., the Obama administration and the world media. And I have told them they are wrong. A copy of my letters to the OAS, and to the U.N. and its Member Nations is posted at my Honduras blog, in the margin:

http://honduras-not-a-military-coup.blogspot.com/

Kathleen Moore
HABEAS CORPUS CANADA
The Official Legal Challenge
To North American Union
www.habeascorpuscanada.com
My own videos: http://hccvideocatalog.blogspot.com/

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 10:06 AM
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26. "Ma'am, trying to have a conversation with you would be like arguing with the diningrom table,
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 10:41 AM by EFerrari
something I have no interest in doing." -- Barney Frank

edit for accuracy
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HCCanada Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 06:50 PM
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28. Edit for whose accuracy?

Have you read the court documents in the Honduran case? Or just the news articles misreporting the events?



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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:12 PM
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29. When she wrote "Edit for whose accuracy" she meant she returned to the link
to make certain she got the quote right, exactly the way he said it.

How could you veer off and misunderstand that altogether?
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30. You should try the buffet, you might enjoy it.

REPORT FOR CONGRESS
August 2009

The Law Library of Congress
Directorate of Legal Research
LL File No. 2009-002965

HONDURAS:
CONSTITUTIONAL LAW ISSUES
This report discusses the legal basis under the Honduran Constitution for
President José Manuel Zelaya Rosales’s removal from office.
Directorate of Legal Research for Foreign, Comparative, and International Law
James Madison Memorial Building; 101 Independence Avenue, S.E.; Room LM 240; Washington, DC 20540-3200
Reception: 7-5065 – FAX: 1 (866) 550-0442
www.loc.gov/law/congress
2009-002965

LAW LIBRARY OF CONGRESS

HONDURAS
CONSTITUTIONAL LAW ISSUES

Executive Summary

The Supreme Court of Honduras has constitutional and statutory authority
to hear cases against the President of the Republic and many other high officers
of the State, to adjudicate and enforce judgments, and to request the assistance of
the public forces to enforce its rulings. The Constitution no longer authorizes
impeachment, but gives Congress the power to disapprove of the conduct of the
President, to conduct special investigations on issues of national interest, and to
interpret the Constitution. In the case against President Zelaya, the National
Congress interpreted the power to disapprove of the conduct of the President to
encompass the power to remove him from office, based on the results of a special,
extensive investigation. The Constitution prohibits the expatriation of Honduran
citizens.

I. What are the provisions, if any, in the Honduran Constitution for their Judicial
ranch and the Legislative Branch (National Congress) to remove an elected President?

The concept of the political procedure known as impeachment, previously contained in
Article 205, Section 15 of the Honduran Constitution, was repealed by Decree 175-2003.1 The
provision, before being repealed, stated that the National Congress had the power to declare
whether cause existed to file charges against the President and other high officers of the three
branches of government. It did not, however, provide the procedure to follow in such cases.2
The same Decree also repealed Article 200 of the Constitution, which granted general immunity
to the Deputies of the National Congress.3 Therefore, currently, no public officer has immunity
in Honduras.

Regular judicial proceedings against the President may be heard by the Supreme Court
based on Article 313, Section 2 of the Constitution, which grants it the power to hear cases
against the highest officers of the State and the Deputies.4

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No. 105-2004 del 27 de Julio de 2004, LA GACETA, Sept. 11, 2004.
2003, del 23 de Septiembre de 2003, LA GACETA, Dec. 1, 2003.
1 Decreto No. 175-2003 del 28 de Octubre del 2003 art. 1, LA GACETA, Dec. 19, 2003, ratified by Decreto
2 Decreto No. 412-2002 del 13 de Noviembre de 2002, LA GACETA, Feb. 20, 2003, ratified by Decreto 154-
3 Decreto No. 175-2003 del 28 de Octubre del 2003 art. 1.
4 CONSTITUCIÓN DE LA REPÚBLICA DE HONDURAS, as amended, art. 313, § 2. The amended Constitution is
available online, at http://www.gobernacion.gob.hn/descargas/leyes/ (last visited Aug. 7, 2009). The Constitution was originally published officially in LA GACETA, Jan. 20, 1982.

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Until 2003, Article 313, Section 2 stated that the Supreme Court had the power to “hear
cases against the highest officers of the State and the Deputies when the National Congress had
declared that cause existed to level charges .”5 When this impeachment provision
of the Constitution was repealed, Article 313, Section 2 was also amended by the removal of the
last part of the provision referring to the procedure of the National Congress.6 In addition,
Article 304 of the Constitution grants the courts the authority to apply laws to specific cases and
to adjudicate and enforce judgments.7

II. Did the Honduran Supreme Court have the authority under the Honduran Constitution to
request that the military remove the President because the National Congress, the Supreme Court,
the Human Rights Ombudsman, and the Attorney General found an action of the President
unconstitutional?

This question raises the following issues under the laws of Honduras:

A. Whether the Supreme Court has the authority to hear a case (and consequently issue
an arrest warrant) against a sitting President; and
B. Whether the Supreme Court has the authority to order the public forces (fuerza
pública) to carry out an arrest warrant against a sitting President.
A. Authority of the Supreme Court to hear a case (and consequently issue an arrest
warrant) against a sitting President

Article 313, Section 2 of the Constitution grants the Supreme Court of Justice the power
to hear cases against the highest officers of the State and the Deputies.8 In harmony with this
provision, the Code of Criminal Procedure provides that cases against these officers must be
heard by the Supreme Court, following the procedures established in that Code.9 According to
available sources, this procedure was applied in the case filed by the Chief Prosecutor (Fiscal
General de la República) against President José Manuel Zelaya Rosales. On June 26, 2009, the
Supreme Court, upon the Chief Prosecutor’s complaint, accepted the case and unanimously
voted to appoint one of its Justices to hear the complaint in the preparatory and intermediate
phases. The appointed Justice carried out the request to issue an arrest and raid warrant.10
The Chief Prosecutor’s complaint before the Supreme Court was based on an
administrative procedure filed before the Court of Administrative Litigation (Juzgado de Letras

5 Decree 38-2001 of Apr. 16, 2001, LA GACETA, May 29, 2001, at 2 (translated by the author).
6 Decreto No. 175-2003 del 28 de Octubre del 2003, supra note 1, art. 2.
7 CONSTITUCIÓN DE LA REPÚBLICA DE HONDURAS art. 304.
8 Id. art. 313, § 2.
9 Código Procesal Penal, arts. 414-417 (Editora Casablanca, Tegucigalpa, 2006).
10 Corte Suprema de Justicia, Comunicado Especial, June 30, 2009, at 4, available at the Judiciary website,
http://www.poderjudicial.gob.hn (last visited July 8, 2009).

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de lo Contencioso Administrativo), which was presented to the Supreme Court to support the
complaint. This documentation may be summarized as follows:

On March 23, 2009, President Zelaya issued Executive Decree PCM-05 2009 ordering a
public consultation (Consulta Popular, or referendum) throughout the national territory so that
the Honduran people could express their opinion as to whether, during the 2009 general
elections, a fourth ballot box should be installed at the polling stations to decide whether to
convene a National Constituent Assembly for the purpose of drafting a new political
Constitution. The same Decree gave a mandate to the National Institute of Statistics (INE) to
take charge of the survey.11

On May 8, 2009, the Chief Prosecutor, acting as guarantor of the Constitution, filed a law
suit before the Court of Administrative Litigation requesting that the Court declare the illegality
and nullity of the administrative act carried out by the Executive Branch under the Executive
Decree.12

On May 26, President Zelaya issued another Executive Decree PCM-19-2009, rescinding
the previous Decree and ordering a national poll (under the new title of Encuesta de Opinión
Pública) on the same issue to be conducted on June 28, 2009.13 The next day, the Court of
Administrative Litigation issued a ruling ordering the President to suspend the Public
Consultation and all acts in its support.14

On May 29, the Court of Administrative Litigation clarified its ruling, stating that:
suspension of the consultation ordered on March 23, 2009, includes any other
administrative act, whether general or particular, which has been issued or might be
issued, whether explicitly or implicitly, by publication or lack thereof in the Official
Gazette, which might be conducive to the same administrative act which has been
suspended, as any other procedural consultation or question which may be designed to
avoid obeying this ruling .15

The same day, May 29, President Zelaya informed the Honduran people through the
Secretary of Defense, that he had issued Executive Accord No. 027-2009, by which he ordered
that a national public opinion poll be carried out by the National Institute of Statistics. The
President also ordered the armed forces to lend logistical and all other necessary support to the
National Institute of Statistics.16

11 Expediente Judicial, Requerimiento Fiscal, Documentación Soporte – Punto No. 8, at 2, available at the Judiciary website, http://www.poderjudicial.gob.hn/ejes/Comunicados/ (last visited Aug. 5, 2009).
12 Id. at 2.
13 Id. at 3.
14 Id.
15 Id.
16 Id. at 3-4.

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On June 3, the Court of Administrative Litigation issued the first judicial communication,
through the State Secretary for the Presidency, asking the President to abide by the Court’s
ruling.17

On June 16, the Court of Appeals for Administrative Disputes unanimously ruled
inadmissible the appeal filed by President Zelaya, who was represented by a private attorney,
against the May 27 ruling of the Court of Administrative Litigation and the May 29
clarification.18

On June 19, the Court of Administrative Litigation issued a second judicial notification,
through the State Secretary for the Presidency, to the President, requesting that he abstain from
conducting any kind of public consultation that might violate the Court’s rulings of May 27 and
May 29.19 On the same day, the Administrative Court issued a third judicial notification to the
President, through the State Secretary for the Presidency, giving him five days to inform the
court what measures he had taken in order to abide by the court ruling. No answer was received
by the Court.20

On June 26, the Chief Prosecutor filed a Criminal Complaint before the Supreme Court
of Justice, requesting that Zelaya be arrested under an accusation of the crimes of acting against
the established form of government, treason against the country, abuse of authority, and
usurpation of functions.21 On the same day, the Supreme Court of Justice unanimously voted to
appoint one of its Justices to hear the process in its preparatory and intermediate phases; that
Justice carried out the request, issuing an arrest and raid warrant.22 Two days later, on June 28,
2009, Zelaya was arrested.23

After his arrest, on June 28, the military, acting apparently beyond the terms of the arrest
warrant,24 took Zelaya out of the country.25 Under the Honduran Constitution, “o Honduran
may be expatriated nor handed over to the authorities of a foreign State.”26
http://www.poderjudicial.gob.hn (last visited July 18, 2009).
Judiciary website, http://www.poderjudicial.gob.hn/ejes/Comunicados/ (last visited Aug. 5, 2009).

17 Id. at 4.
18 Corte Suprema de Justicia, Comunicado Especial, June 30, 2009, at 2, available at the Judiciary website,
19 Expediente Judicial, Requerimiento Fiscal, Documentación Soporte – Punto No. 8, at 5, available at the
20 Id.
21 Id. at 1, 15.
22 Corte Suprema de Justicia, Comunicado Especial, June 30, 2009, at 4, available at
http://www.poderjudicial.gob.hn.
23 Id. at 5.
24 Assessment by the author based on the facts and the law. The ruling of the Supreme Court consisted
only of an arrest and raid warrant. Corte Suprema de Justicia, Comunicado Especial, June 30, 2009, at 4, available
at http://www.poderjudicial.gob.hn.
25 The Crisis in Honduras, 111th Cong. 4 (July 10, 2009) (statement of the Hon. Guillermo Pérez-Cadalso before the U.S. House Committee on International Affairs, Subcommittee on the Western Hemisphere). Mr. Pérez-Cadalso, who is a former Honduran Supreme Court Justice and Secretary of Foreign Relations, testified before

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B. The authority of the Supreme Court to order the public forces (fuerza pública) to
carry out an arrest warrant against a sitting President
Article 304 of the Constitution grants the courts the authority to apply laws to specific
cases and to adjudicate and enforce judgments.27 Article 306 states that the courts may request
the assistance of the public forces (fuerza pública) to obtain enforcement of their rulings.28
Under this legal authority, the Supreme Court ordered the Chief of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to
implement the arrest warrant.

III. Did the Honduran National Congress properly approve Articles of Impeachment of
the President as provided for by the Honduran Constitution?
As stated above, the concept of the political procedure known as impeachment,
previously contained in Article 205, Section 15 of the Honduran Constitution, was repealed by
Decree 175-2003.29 The Constitution does not contain an express provision giving the National
Congress the authority to remove a President from office. Nonetheless, the National Congress
apparently used several other constitutional powers to remove President Zelaya from office.

Among them are the following:

• Article 205, Section 20 of the Constitution gives the National Congress the power to
“approve or disapprove” the administrative conduct of the Executive and Judicial
Branches, the National Tribunal of Elections, and many other high officers of the State;

• Article 218, Section 3 reaffirms this power by stating that the decrees issued by the
National Congress in reference to the conduct of the Executive Branch cannot be vetoed
by the President;

• Article 205, Section 21 authorizes the National Congress to appoint special commissions
for the investigation of matters of national interest;

• Article 208, Section 5 grants power to the Permanent Commission of the National
Congress to receive complaints of violations of the Constitution;

• Article 205, Section 10 grants the power to the National Congress to interpret the

Constitution;

• Article 218, Section 9 reaffirms the Congressional power to interpret the Constitution by
stating that Congressional resolutions issuing constitutional interpretations cannot be
vetoed by the President; and Congress as “a concerned Honduran citizen” and not as a government representative. Id. (printed copy of the statement in the collection of the author.

26 CONSTITUCIÓN DE LA REPÚBLICA DE HONDURAS art. 102.
27 Id. art. 304.
28 Id. art. 306.
29 Decreto No. 175-2003 del 28 de Octubre del 2003 art. 1, LA GACETA, Dec. 19, 2003. The provision
basically stated that Congress had the power to declare if cause existed to file charges against the President and other high officers of the three branches of government. It did not, however, provide a procedure to follow. Decreto No. 412-2002 del 13 de Noviembre de 2002, LA GACETA, Feb. 20, 2003, ratified by Decreto 154-2003, del 23 de Septiembre de 2003, LA GACETA, Dec. 1, 2003. Article 205. The following Powers are assigned to the National Congress:
<[ When lines break off, it's becuase they are footnotes continued to the bottom of the next page.>]
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• Article 205, Section 12 gives the National Congress the power to receive the
constitutional oath of the President and Vice-President of the Republic and to fill their
vacancies where any of the officers were absolutely unable to discharge the powers and
duties of the office .30

Article 242 of the Constitution, which provides the line of succession for the Presidency,
and Article 205, Sections 12, 20, and 10, and Article 218, Section 9, referred to above, are
translated below due to their relevance (the order in which they appear is based on the relevance
of the subject matter):

Article 242. In the temporary absence of the President of the Republic, the Vice-
President shall replace him in his functions. If the absence of the President were
permanent, the Vice-President shall exercise and hold Executive Power for the time that
remains to complete the constitutional term. But if the Vice-President were also
permanently absent, the Executive Power shall be exercised by the President of the
National Congress, and, where the President of the National Congress is absent, by the
President of the Supreme Court, for the time that remains to complete the constitutional
term.31

Section 12: To receive the constitutional oath of the Office of President and Vice-
President of the Republic declared “elect,” and the rest of the
officers for whom it chooses to grant leave and to accept or reject their resignation
and to fill the vacancies in the case where any of the officers were absolutely
unable to discharge the powers and duties of the office .32

Section 20: To approve or disapprove the administrative conduct of the Executive
Power, the Judicial Power, the Electoral Supreme Tribunal, the Comptroller
General of the Republic, the Attorney General of the Republic, the Environmental
Attorney Office, the Chief Prosecutor, the Ombudsman, the National Registry of
Persons, and decentralized and auxiliary institutions of the State.33

Section 10: To interpret the Constitution of the Republic in ordinary sessions in a
single term, with a two-thirds vote of all its members. Articles 373 and 374 of the
Constitution may not be interpreted through this procedure.34
3 & 9.
30 CONSTITUCIÓN DE LA REPÚBLICA DE HONDURAS art. 205, §§ 20, 21, 10 & 12; art. 208,
§ 5; & art. 218, §§
31 Id. art. 242 (translated by the author).
32 Id. art. 205, § 12. (translated by the author).
33 Id. art. 205, § 20.
34 Id. art. 205, § 10 (translated by the author).

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Article 218. Authorization shall not be necessary, nor shall the
Executive Power be entitled to veto the following cases and resolutions:

Section 9: In the interpretations to the Constitution of the Republic enacted by the
National Congress.35

On June 29, the National Congress, after hearing a special report prepared and submitted
by a special congressional commission on Zelaya’s actions, which was based on an extensive
investigation prepared by the same commission,36 issued a decree in which many articles of the
Constitution were invoked; key among them was Article 205, Section 20,37 translated above.
The Decree provided that the National Congress:

(1) Disapproved the President’s conduct of repeated violations of the Constitution and
laws of the country and his disregard of the rulings and resolutions of the judicial
authorities;
(2) Removed President Zelaya from the office of the Presidency; and
(3) Nominated the next person in the line of succession for the presidency, according to

Article 242 of the Constitution. This person was the then-President of the National
Congress, Roberto Micheletti, since the Vice-President had resigned from office six
months earlier.38

The question of which Constitutional provision gives the National Congress the power to
remove the President still remains. As noted above, Article 242 does not grant the National
Congress the power to remove the President, but does state the line of succession.39 Although
Article 205, Section 12 was not invoked in the Decree, that Section gives intrinsic power to the
National Congress and must be analyzed. Article 205, Section 12 does not grant Congress the
power to remove the President, but only to receive the Constitutional oath of the President and
other high officers and to fill vacancies in the case that any of the officers were absolutely unable to discharge the powers and duties of the falta absoluta.

The only other article germane to this issue is Article 205, Section 20, giving the National
Congress the power to approve or disapprove of the administrative conduct of the Executive
Power. The reading of Article 205, Section 20 raises the issue of the meaning and scope of the

35 Id. art. 218, § 9 (translated by the author).
36 The report was read by Ricardo Rodríguez, a deputy of the Liberal Party. Congreso Destituye a Manuel Zelaya, LA TRIBUNA, June 29, 2009, available at http://www.latribuna.hn/web2.0/?p=14265&print=1.
37 There is an apparent typographical error in the Decree in which art. 220, § 20 was cited. However, art. 220 has no subsections, and in addition, it is not relevant to the issues at hand. Therefore, it is logical to consider that the reference was in regard to art. 205, § 20, which is applicable.
38 An official copy of the text of the Decree is not available to date. An unofficial version was published in Congreso Destituye a Manuel Zelaya, supra note 36. See also Statement of the Hon. Guillermo Pérez-Cadalso, supra note 25, at 4.
39 CONSTITUCIÓN DE LA REPÚBLICA DE HONDURAS art. 242, supra note 4.

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word “disapprove,” whether a congressional disapproval of the President of the Republic can be
limited to censure or may also encompass the possibility of removal from office. An analysis of
the facts of the case and the aforementioned constitutional provisions leads one to the conclusion
that the National Congress made use of its constitutional prerogative to interpret the Constitution
and interpreted the word “disapprove” to include also the removal from office.40

A systematic reading of the different constitutional provisions dealing with the right of
Congress to interpret the Constitution (such as Article 205, Section 10 and Article 218, Section
9) also indicates that the Honduran National Congress has the power to interpret the Constitution
with general effect. This task is performed through interpretative laws, decrees, or other acts.41
One may conclude that the National Congress implicitly exercised its power of constitutional
interpretation in the case of Zelaya when it decided that its power to “disapprove” the President’s
actions encompassed the power to remove him.

The fact that the National Congress did not cite all of the constitutional provisions
granting it intrinsic powers,42 such as those mentioned in Articles 205, Sections 10, 12, and 21,
does not imply that it surrendered or relinquished its constitutional powers. In other words, it
must be assumed that when the National Congress issued its Decree removing President Zelaya
from office, it used its powers as needed.

Although the National Congress unanimously approved an alleged letter of resignation by
Zelaya, dated four days before his arrest, no mention of this letter was made in the Decree issued
by Congress removing the President from office.43

IV. Did the Supreme Court follow up by holding a proper, constitutionally mandated trial
of the President?

As stated in the answer to question II(a), above, the Supreme Court, based on its
constitutional powers, heard the case against Zelaya and applied the appropriate procedure
mandated by the Code of Criminal Procedure.

40 This line of analysis was confirmed in an August 3, 2009, telephone interview with Mr. Guillermo Pérez-Cadalso, a Honduran attorney who formerly served as Supreme Court Justice and Secretary of Foreign Relations.

41 CONSTITUCIÓN DE LA REPÚBLICA DE HONDURAS arts. 205, § 10 & 218, § 9.
42 It is well recognized that the branches of government exercise their powers according to their
constitutional mandate. Therefore, one of the branches may not exercise powers not expressly conferred by the Constitution. Likewise, a branch of government may neither delegate its constitutionally-mandated powers to the other branches of government, nor refrain from exercising them in the absence of an express constitutional provision.
43 Congreso Destituye a Manuel Zelaya, supra note 36. It is believed by some in Honduras that Zelaya
signed the letter on June 24, before his arrest, to make use of it after the referendum, when presumably the National Constituent Assembly was going to be initiated, on June 29, because Zelaya anticipated that he would be elected President of the Assembly. It also generally understood that that the letter was not included in the Congressional Decree because Zelaya denied writing the letter. Telephone Interview with Mr. Guillermo Pérez-Cadalso, a Honduran attorney who formerly served as Supreme Court Justice and Secretary of Foreign Relations (Aug. 3, 2009).

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The Chief Prosecutor filed a complaint (requerimiento fiscal) against President Zelaya
before the Supreme Court on June 26, 2009. The complaint: (1) accused the President of acting
against the established form of government, treason against the country, abuse of authority, and
usurpation of functions; (2) requested that the Court order the arrest of the President; (3) requested that the Court notify the President of the facts alleged against him; (4) requested
that the President’s testimony be heard; and (5) requested that the President be suspended from
office.44

The Supreme Court, based on its constitutional45 and statutory46 powers, appointed one of
its Justices to hear the process in the preparatory and intermediate stages. Following the
procedure, the Justice admitted the complaint and issued an arrest and raid warrant.47 The
process at the Supreme Court did not continue due to the events that occurred after Zelaya’s
arrest.

In light of the fact that Zelaya was formally removed from office on June 28 by the
Congressional Decree described above, on June 29, the Supreme Court unanimously ordered that
the proceedings be forwarded to the Unified District Trial Court48 to continue through the
ordinary proceedings established by the Code of Criminal Procedure, “given that citizen José
Manuel Zelaya Rosales is no longer a high-ranking government official.”49 These ordinary
proceedings are the ones applied to regular citizens in criminal cases.

Available sources indicate that the judicial and legislative branches applied constitutional
and statutory law in the case against President Zelaya in a manner that was judged by the
Honduran authorities from both branches of the government to be in accordance with the
Honduran legal system.

However, removal of President Zelaya from the country by the military is in direct
violation of the Article 102 of the Constitution, and apparently this action is currently under
investigation by the Honduran authorities.50

V. Was the removal of Honduran President Zelaya legal, in accordance with Honduran
constitutional and statutory law?

44 Expediente Judicial, Requerimiento Fiscal, Documentación Soporte – Punto No. 8, at 1, available at the
45 CONSTITUCIÓN DE LA REPÚBLICA DE HONDURAS art. 313, Sec. 2, supra note 4.
46 CÓDIGO PROCESAL PENAL art. 416.
47 Corte Suprema de Justicia, Comunicado Especial, June 30, 2009, at 4, available at
48 The vernacular name of the court is Juzgado de Letras Penal Unificado.
49 Corte Suprema de Justicia, Comunicado Especial, June 30, 2009, at 5.
50 Telephone Interview with Mr. Guillermo Pérez-Cadalso, a Honduran attorney who formerly served as
Judiciary

website, http://www.poderjudicial.gob.hn/ejes/Comunicados/ (last visited Aug. 5, 2009).
http://www.poderjudicial.gob.hn.
Supreme Court Justice and Secretary of Foreign Relations (Aug. 3, 2009).

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Prepared by Norma C. Gutiérrez
Senior Foreign Law Specialist
August 2009

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KATHLEEN MOORE'S HABEAS CORPUS CANADA NETWORKING SITES:
* http://twitter.com/HCCanada * http://www.scribd.com/HCCanada
* http://www.youtube.com/user/crazyforcanada * http://www.myspace.com/393788437

ARTISTIC ACTIVISM:
* http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=37557602
* Poems to print: http://www.scribd.com/doc/14010647/Selected-Poems-for-Kids-livelinked-Video-
* Canadian Web Award: http://www.scribd.com/doc/14009980/Selected-Poems-for-Kids-2008-Canadian-Web-Award
* http://www.youtube.com/user/brightpathwaypoems
* http://brightpathway.webng.com (linked to Habeas Corpus Canada site)
* http://kathleenmoore.webng.com (linked to Habeas Corpus Canada site)

GALLERY:
* http://www.imagekind.com/GalleryProfile.aspx?gid=208d0dd3-d012-4380-a2f6-cfc0e50db191

CHRISTMAS E-CARDS IN FRENCH AND IN ENGLISH (CANADIAN-STYLE!)
* http://www.joyeuxmontreal.com (send an e-card for Canada this coming Christmas and New Year)

SUPPORT THE RESEARCH - BUY A "NORTH AMERICAN SOVIET UNION" T-SHIRT:
* http://www.cafepress.com/NASUNION
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 01:41 AM
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19. Rendition is now a legal process.
Please refer me to the legal authorizations.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:26 AM
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22. Well, goddammit. When I saw Magbana's name I thought she's back. Dammit.
What a colossal object in the punchbowl, for chrissakes, to learn not only is magbana NOT here, but this IS!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com.nyud.net:8090/_yxqLi-AGlZs/SgES58dMBjI/AAAAAAAAACY/-EuHVtYipTA/S220/me-blogger466x3350.png


Crazy for Canada
Montreal woman nabbed off sidewalk by laughing Police spends three weeks in a looney bin for her political views on the unity of Canada.

Wednesday, November 28, 2007
Political Detention by Police on 31 October 2007

The following Affidavit (sworn statement) describes in more detail the events of the night of Wednesday, 31 October 2007, and the circumstances in which Police detained Kathleen Moore for her political views on the Supreme Court of Canada's Reference re the Secession of Quebec, and forced her into an ambulance "as a de facto lunatic".

Note: Moore has been living on $572.08 a month in welfare payments while studying law to defend her own rights. In the process, and unexpectedly, she uncovered a widespread Constitutional fraud by which Canada is being progressively dismantled in order to attach it to two things: (a) the political, legal and economic system of the European Union, and (b) the United States and Mexico, with the Canadian provinces dismantled and referederated with the states of those two other countries, under an EU-style (and increasinly Communist) form of government. Moore has begun to expose her findings at her web site, Habeas Corpus Canada: www.habeascorpuscanada.com/, in particular in her Statement of Purpose. Moore is also the author of a web site entitled: "Canada: the Rising Police State," (http://www.freewebs.com/administrationdelajustice/) where her first article analyses the unlawful use by Quebec judges of "Judicial Declarations of Madness".

Moore observes that the trend in Quebec toward Soviet-style psychiatric abuse appears to reflect the general undercurrent that is shifting Canada away from a free and democratic society towards an extremely authoritarian model consistent with contempt for fundamental freedoms and self-governance by free-thinking people.

More:
http://crazyforcanada.blogspot.com/
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HCCanada Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 04:39 AM
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24. You remember the Brezhnev era, don't you? Well, it's B-a-a-a-c-k !
On Dissidents and Madness: From the Soviet Union of Leonid Brezhnev to the Soviet Union of Vladimir Putin...

http://books.google.ca/books?id=tyDIKu8XsgcC&pg=PT58&lpg=PT58&dq=brezhnev+psychiatry&source=bl&ots=MKzI4JCjNy&sig=l4fT2DDUQ3am7-JiYMTzJdimdyc&hl=en&ei=5xeNSs_SJdXRlAe8itWjDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=brezhnev%20psychiatry&f=false

The only thing missing from that long long title is "... to the Soviet North American Union".

As long as you're dipping into the punch bowl, here's How to Propose a Toast:

http://www.ehow.com/how_1383_propose-toast.html

Step #1. Let the host or hostess make the first salute at a dinner party. If she or he does not do so, initiate a toast after the dishes from the main course are cleared.

Step #2. Make certain that everyone, no matter what he or she is drinking, has a full glass to raise.

Step #3. Stand up and tap your glass to get everyone's attention.

Step #4. For a formal occasion, have everyone (except for the person you are toasting) stand up. If it is less formal, guests may remain seated.

Step #5. Direct your toast toward the host or hostess or the guest of honor. Speak loudly and slowly so that all can hear you.

Step #6. Keep it brief, sincere and to the point; choose simple but substantial words to convey your feelings. Some of the best toasts are just a single sentence or two.

Step #7. If you are feeling more creative, you can begin with an appropriate quotation, a poem or an amusing anecdote.

Step #8. Consider mentioning an unusually brave, heroic, romantic or awesome act performed by the honoree.

Step #9. Weave humor into your toast, but don't embarrass the honoree. If the assembled group is close-knit, it's all right to refer to shared experiences, but don't make the toast a private joke between you and a few of the people present.

Step #10. When you have finished your toast, lift your glass to the recipient and lead the group in drinking to that person.

Kathleen Moore
HABEAS CORPUS CANADA
The Official Legal Challenge
To North American Union
www.habeascorpuscanada.com
My own videos: http://hccvideocatalog.blogspot.com/
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:11 AM
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25. I've been holding the US gov. responsible
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 08:15 AM by roody
since a friend convinced me that the Department of State is not acting against the will of the President. My pal's theory is that Obama does not really care about Honduras.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 12:42 PM
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27. It's time the President started replacing the Reagan/Bush holdovers in State. n/t
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spanza Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 03:52 PM
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31. Right, me too!
"Lamento que la gente no hubiera podido romper el cculo militar"
nice one...
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