Youtube of Rigoberta Menchu saying "It's completely polarized here"

[flamingdem]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOG10njEPqE


aarrg. I was translating and the machine ate it but she says it it totally polarized, that there in NO ONE mediating between the two sides, that all the institutions, and painfully the church as well support the golpistas.

many are afraid to take any side and just want peace.

many internationalists from Venezuela and Peru have been repressed or are missing and many mayors who support Zelaya have been disappeared

she asks for a major documentation of the abuses and there are many

[flamingdem]

1. Relating this to the previous discussion

so the point was being missed before.

The point is clearly that the institutions are the problem. It isn't an issue of whether the people support Zelaya or not and many are just wanting out of taking sides.

It's different from other Central American golpes because even the church is supporting the coup.

She says it is very very complicated

So Arias will have to give something to the golpistas and all the institutions behind them

[magbana]

4. I have listened to this video as well. I think she's right about

what she is saying. But, this is not polarization. This is all the mechanics/players in a country that has just undergone a coup and they are trying to figure out what to do about it. The players: an active resistance movement visible in the streets demanding the return of Zelaya, people who have mixed feelings about Zelaya or can't stomach him at all but know if he returns constitutional democracy will be restored (and, the next day they can begin kicking his ass in earnest)and then those who support the Pinochettis who don't need to get in the streets because they have the military and coup squads operating out of Miami and Washington bankrolling it all.

The "tensions" she described are normal and happen in most cases after a coup. But, the population is not polarized, not even close.

[flamingdem]

6. I think the problem is that if Zelaya is restored to power

he might be shot and the violence may continue.

I don't think he can kick ass under these circumstances, though I wish he could because I see no charges against him that hold water. I do however see why with the hammering of the media many turned against him because he turned to the left after being supported by the right. So they see him as a traitor to their interests. I think he was lucky to have managed what he has with those forces at work.

[magbana]

8. You might have misread part of my post. I meant that the people

who don't support Zelaya but feel compelled to support him in order to have constitutional order restored -- those are the people who can kiss his ass next day.

[Bacchus39]

7. ummm....how do you know??????? are you traveling with Rigoberta?? n/t

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[Bacchus39]

5. love it, staring some people right in the face yet they deny it outright

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-288441





http://myroatan.blogspot.com/2009/07/youtube-video-of-roatans-peace-and.html

[flamingdem]

2. I meant internationalists from Venezuela and Cuba (not Peru) nt

[Joe Chi Minh]

3. Not true. The Church does not like, still less, favour the rebel acolytes of Dives,

no matter how pious their posture:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/jul/04/honduras-coup-micheletti-catholic

The Pope is sorting out these "wing-nuts", even within the hierarchy. Those responsible for failing to inform him of the Holocaust denial by that priest and his merry band, have been sacked.