TELESUR Update with the 6 points of the Pinochettis (SP)

[magbana]

"TeleSUR _ Hace: 25 minutos

La representación del gobierno de facto hondureño, que participa en la mesa de diálogo en Costa Rica, entregó este domingo una propuesta con siete puntos, distinta a la que rechazaron este sábado entregada por el líder de la mediación el presidente, Oscar Arias, en la que se destaca la apertura de un juicio al mandatario constitucional de Honduras, Manuel Zelaya.

"El retorno del peticionario señor José Manuel Zelaya Rosales con las garantías necesarias para que pueda ejercer su derecho al debido proceso ante los órganos jurisdiccionales competentes del Poder Judicial", dice textualmente el primer punto, contrario al publicado este sábado en el que las discusiones se basaban exclusivamente al retorno de Zelaya y el restablecimiento del orden constitucional hondureño.

También se propone una "comisión de la verdad" que busca mostrar ante la comunidad internacional los hechos de corrupción en los que supuestamente se involucra a Zelaya.

Asimismo piden adelantar las elecciones y poner a la Fuerzas Armadas y la Policía Nacional bajo el mando del Tribunal Supremo Electoral, para efectos de garantizar la transparencia, libertad y normalidad del proceso electoral.

Este sábado la representación de Micheletti rechazó un acuerdo inmediato para la restitución del presidente legítimo, Manuel Zelaya, propuesta por el mandatario Óscar Arias, en el marco de la segunda jornada de diálogo que se póspuso para este domingo.

"No vamos, por ningún punto, a realizar ningún acuerdo sin respeto a nuestras instituciones y sin respeto a la Constitución de la República", afirmó Vilma Morales, ex presidenta de la Corte Suprema de Justicia (CSJ) e integrante de la comisión de Micheletti en el diálogo que se celebra en Costa Rica.

Puntos planteados por golpistas en Costa Rica

1. El retorno del peticionario señor José Manuel Zelaya Rosales con las garantías necesarias para que pueda ejercer su derecho al debido proceso ante los órganos jurisdiccionales competentes del Poder Judicial.

2. El afianzamiento del orden democrático y el respeto a la separación de poderes, para lo cual se conformaría un gobierno de unidad y reconciliación nacional, compuesto por miembros de los partidos políticos y sectores sociales, conforme a requisitos de capacidad, mérito, idoneidad y ética que defienda la soberanía nacional y combate al narcotráfico.

3. La garantía de la vigencia efectiva del estado de Derecho y el rechazo de la corrupción y de la impunidad, asegurando igualmente el respeto a la profesionalidad de la Policía Nacional, cuya rotación deberá sujetarse estrictamente a lo que prescribe su legislación especial.

4. La Constitución de una comisión de la verdad que para el pueblo hondureño y la comunidad internacional identifique todos los actos hechos evidentes y notorios que condujeron a la actual situación, en el periodo previo al 28 de junio esa fecha y con posterioridad a la misma.

5. La posibilidad de adelantar las elecciones nacionales ya convocadas, de acuerdo con lo que dispongan el Tribunal Supremo Electoral y en consulta con los candidatos presidenciales.

6. La puesta de las Fuerzas Armadas y de la Policía Nacional bajo el mando del Tribunal Supremo Electoral cuatro meses antes de las elecciones para efectos de garantizar la transparencia, libertad y normalidad del proceso electoral que es asunto prioritario de seguridad nacional conforme a la Constitución de la república de Honduras y la ley electoral y de las organizaciones políticas.

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http://www.telesurtv.net/noticias/secciones/nota/54353-NN/golpistas-plantean-otros-siete-puntos-tras-rechazar-propuesta-de-arias/

[Peace Patriot]

1. quick Google translation...

"_ TeleSUR ago: 25 minutes

The representation of the de facto government of Honduras, which
participates in the dialogue table in Costa Rica, gave
this Sunday with a seven-point proposal, other than
which delivered on Saturday rejected by the leader of
mediation president, Oscar Arias, which
highlights the opening of a trial the agent
Constitution of Honduras, Manuel Zelaya.

"The return of the petitioner, Mr José Manuel Zelaya
Rosales with the necessary guarantees to enable
exercise their right to due process before the organs
jurisdictional competence of the judiciary, "says
I quote the first point, contrary to published
Saturday in the discussions were based
only to return and Zelaya
Honduran restoration of constitutional order.

It also proposes a "truth commission" that aims
show to the international community facts
corruption in which supposedly involves
Zelaya.

Also call early elections and to the
Armed Forces and National Police under the command of
Supreme Electoral Tribunal for the purposes of ensuring
transparency, freedom and normalcy of the process
election.

This Saturday's representation Micheletti rejected a
immediate agreement for the return of President
legitimate, Manuel Zelaya, the president proposed
Óscar Arias, on the second day
dialogue that was postponed until this Sunday.

"We're not going for anything, to make any agreement without respect for our institutions and respect for the Constitution," said Vilma Morales, former president of the Supreme Court of Justice (CSJ) and member of the commission Micheletti in the dialogue that takes place in Costa Rica.

Points raised by the coup in Costa Rica

1. The return of the petitioner Mr José Manuel Zelaya Rosales with the necessary guarantees to be able to exercise their right to due process before the competent courts of the Judiciary.

2. The consolidation of democracy and respect for the separation of powers, which would conform to a government of national unity and reconciliation, composed of members of political parties and social sectors, according to capacity requirements, merit, competence and ethical defend national sovereignty and combating drug trafficking.

3. Ensuring the effective enforcement of the rule of law and rejection of corruption and impunity, also ensuring respect for the professionalism of the National Police, which rotation should be subject to what is strictly required special legislation.

4. The Constitution of a truth commission that the Honduran people and the international community to identify all the obvious facts and egregious acts that led to the current situation in the period prior to June 28 then and thereafter.

5. Bringing forward national elections and convened in accordance with the provisions of the Electoral Supreme Court and in consultation with the presidential candidates.

6. The placing of the Armed Forces and National Police under the command of the Supreme Electoral Court four months before elections for the purpose of ensuring transparency, freedom and normality of the electoral process is a matter of priority national security under the Constitution of the Republic of Honduras and the electoral law and political organizations.

[Peace Patriot]

2. LOL! If I am understand this correctly....

1. They want to try Zelaya--but Zelaya doesn't get to try them.

2. They want to defend national sovereignty and...um...combat drug trafficking (WTF?).

3. They want to purge Zelaya supporters from the police force (via "special legislation").

4. They want a "truth commission" to waterboard Zelaya and get him to confess to all his "egregious" acts.

5. They want their own guys running the election.

6. They want to continue martial law until the election, to insure that no leftists can get on TV, and the voters are sufficiently terrorized to vote for the coup.

[magbana]

3. As Samuel L. Jackson, playing the DJ in Spike Lee's movie -"Do the Right Thing," said:

"And that's the truth, Ruth!"

[EFerrari]

4. You got it. And the drug trafficking part is a US-backed plan

for the next attack on Chavez -- Zelaya is being accused of trafficking with him.

[IndianaGreen]

5. You got it right!

That's exactly what the golpistas are proposing.

It is over! Thank you Arias for running interference for Obama Administration, the same Administration that knew of the coup weeks beforehand.

[Peace Patriot]

7. Is there any hope in this hilarious list for a successful end to this coup?

(Not until the US stops funding the coup, but that's another story.)

If elements of items #1 and #4 were combined, and a "truth commission" run by an outside party (the UN? the OAS?) was convened, with prosecutions and trials foreclosed by both sides (except maybe for the murders the coup has committed), and a general, open airing of grievances and issues occurred, that could be the basis for the coup to step aside (no fear of prosecution from Zelaya--unless they ordered the murders--and of course Zelaya--who has committed no crimes that I can see--shouldn't be prosecuted but restored as president.)

The coup thus gains a big distraction--the "truth commission"--to stop the reform movement in Honduras, and maybe prevent Zelaya from doing things like raising the minimum wage. He only has a few months left in office. They can tie him up that way.

Combat drug trafficking? Yeah, well, the coupsters should be grateful for the "no prosecutions" plank on that one. Cuz I think they're dirty rotten drug traffickers and war profiteers--as hypocritical as Bushwhacks on the "war on drugs."

They keep getting their billions of US taxpayer dollars for winking at CIA drug trafficking (and get to continue taking something off the top).

Purging the police force of Zelaya supporters (if I understand that one correctly)? Dunno. Basis for agreement: maybe more US taxpayer millions for upgrading and training a professional police force? ???

OAS, UN, EU, Carter Center monitored elections. Can't yield on that one. Can't have the coup operatives on the Supreme Electoral Council running the election. And martial law has to be lifted NOW. There is no way that leftist forces can propose candidates and mount effective campaigns in current conditions. Zelaya is out--he can't run again. So some relative unknown has to mount a campaign for president. Probably many of the potential activists for that campaign (and for other offices) are in jail. The coup has over 1,000 political prisoners. I don't know if they have an objective Electoral Council. Chances are they don't, since this lawless rich Oligarchy runs Honduras like a private fiefdom (and are in turn run by the Pentagon). Can their Electoral Council run a fair election? Doubtful. Very doubtful. Even with a lot of outside election monitors present. The election should be turned over to the OAS. The military should make itself invisible. Normal police protection for voting centers.

The way I understand international election monitoring is that the groups that do it will not jump into a country on the day of the election and merely observe. This is true of the Carter Center anyway. They require months and sometimes years of prep, and involvement as advisors in every aspect of elections, and writing of the rules. Only that way do they know WHAT they are monitoring. I don't know if any of this prep has been done in Honduras. But it is fairly useless to have election monitors arriving shortly before the election just to observe, if this prep has not occurred. Therefore, someone has to conduct the election who knows what they're doing and can do it objectively. The coup and its appointees cannot do this--is my surmise. People will not trust the outcome--and it is essential that they do.

Further, in this final point, the coup seems to be trying to set up their control over the election. They give themselves away by what appears to be a four-month martial law provision. That is absurd. And if this is their intention--to oust Zelaya at gunpoint, smash protests, and prevent the left from organizing--then there is no negotiating with them. If they would agree to OAS-run elections, and removing the military from civilian areas, then their good faith might be believable, and the talks might succeed in brokering a solution.

Basis for agreement: At least they agree that elections should occur. They're not quite a military junta yet.

[magbana]

6. I agree with all you smart cookies! n/t