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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 04:18 PM
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Cuba enters crisis mode as economy worsens
Cuba enters crisis mode as economy worsens

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090731/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_cuba_economy

HAVANA – Cuba clicked into crisis mode Friday, postponing a key Communist Party congress aimed at charting a post-Castro future and announcing that its woeful economy is even worse than expected.

Cubans will have to make do with less, top communists suggested, as they insisted the armed forces are strong enough to deal with any unrest.

The island's top two political bodies — the Council of Ministers and the Communist Party's Central Committee — huddled in secret on how to guide Cuba through what President Raul Castro was quoted as calling a "very serious" crisis.

Such frank language is uncommon in a country where the state controls all news media, restricts free speech and assembly, and tolerates no organized political opposition. But it's no secret that the global financial crisis has pounded the desperately poor nation — and people do not need to be told how tough times are.

"The congress? I don't care about that. What I want is something concrete," said high school student Silvia Medina, 17. "We young people want to know what's going to happen. We want some light on the horizon. We want a better life, where we don't have to work so hard for so little."

Officials made clear there would be no tolerance for dissent, pointedly announcing the armed forces are as strong as ever.

"The Central Committee agreed yesterday to support all conclusions and working projects suggested by the National Defense Commission," read an article in the Communist Party newspaper Granma.

Indefinitely postponing the much-anticipated congress, traditionally held every five years or so, came as central planners dropped 2009 growth projections from 2.5 percent to 1.7 percent. That's down from a high of 12.5 percent in 2006 — and from projections as recently as December that Cuba would grow 6 percent this year.

By most forms of accounting, performance would be even lower, because Cuba counts as output all state spending on free health care and education, as well as the subsidized food it gives citizens in monthly ration books and other social programs.

Carmelo Mesa-Lago, an expert on the Cuban economy at the University of Pittsburgh, said the island could easily end the year with negative growth. He believes the cancellation of the congress indicates that Cuban leaders are retrenching to try to prevent debate about structural reforms that could improve the economy.

"In the current conditions the best thing in Cuba would be to have a congress and have a five-year plan," he said. "But politically this is difficult, because of the pressures it could cause."

Cuba has not faced truly dire straits since what it calls the "special period," when the collapse of the Soviet Union brought the island's economy to its knees in the early 1990s, making food and fuel scarce and prompting hours-long blackouts.

Amid the heat of summer 1994, Fidel Castro had to make a personal appearance to quell street protests. The government didn't release full economic figures during those dark days, but what there is suggests the current situation isn't nearly as dire.

Mesa-Lago said the country is more economically sound today because of aid from Venezuela and money sent home by Cubans in the United States.

Any serious economic crunch could increase pressure on officials to pursue closer relations with Washington, where the Obama administration has suggested it's time for a new beginning after a half-century of enmity.

But Oscar Espinosa Chepe, a state-trained economist who has been jailed for his criticism of the communist system, said Cuba is unlikely to take President Barack Obama up on his offer.

"It's logical: The United States is the best option to help get out of this situation," said Espinosa Chepe, currently paroled for health reasons. "But in Cuba, things are not logical."

The sixth Communist Party congress was to have been the first since 1997, an unusually long stretch without a top-level meeting. Many had speculated that Fidel Castro, 82 and ailing, would use the congress to formally relinquish control of the party, which he still heads. Friday marked the third anniversary of his last public appearance.

Granma said the congress was postponed indefinitely "until this crucial phase ... has been overcome."

Retiree Reina Delgado said suspending the congress would only lead to more mystery about what the government has in store for Cubans.

"I think people are going to be disappointed since they were hoping to participate and talk about problems," said Delgado, 72. "We want steps taken so we can have better lives."

If that makes it sound as if Cubans are dependent on their government, they are. The state controls well over 90 percent of the economy and pays an average monthly salary of $20 to the 85 percent of Cubans who work for it.

The problems began last summer, when three hurricanes caused more than $10 billion in damage. The global economic crisis cut into export earnings and caused budget deficits to soar, leaving Cuba short on cash.

Some of the measures taken to remedy the crisis have backfired. To try to conserve energy and lower Cuba's oil bill, the government has idled state factories during peak hours, stilled air conditioners at government offices, businesses and stores, and shortened work hours for some employees.

That has led to a drop in productivity, exacerbating scarcities of products including cooking oil, laundry detergent and yogurt — even though all are sold in government stores that cater to tourists and are too pricey for most Cubans.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 04:25 PM
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1. Good to see someone planning ahead.
Probably more productive than beer parties.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 04:26 PM
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2. disaster management more like it n/t
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 04:36 PM
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3. You are judging by our government again; which, judging from
the economy and the current economic model is not ideal.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 04:38 PM
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4. doesn't sound quite as bad as Cuba does it??? n/t
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 04:49 PM
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5. Debatable.
From poor to destitute is not as big a step as we will have to make. Cuba still has subsistence farming, we do not -- it has been Corporatised. Just about every area has talked about farmer's markets, but they can't find the farmers. There is no way we can support our economy on exported mercenaries and right now that is about all we have to offer.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 05:47 PM
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6. the US exports a huge amount of agricultural products
the US is self-sufficient in food production. Cubans can't find basic food products in stores. Americans have 40 varieties of potato chips to choose from.


is that all you got? don't get out much??
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:20 PM
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8. Can you eat the corn or soy that we grow?
Look at your local market and see how much is grown domestically.

The United states won WWII and established economic dominance based upon industrial capacity. Is that industrial capacity still there?
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:29 PM
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9. um....yes ??!!
doesn't sound like Cuba enjoys a vibrant agriculture sector. well, gotta go. Going out to get some steak and beer. I'll get a Cuba Libre in honor of Cuba's great economic system.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:33 PM
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10. Can you butcher your own? Might be a good skill to acquire.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:43 PM
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11. wild game yes. I've never field dressed a cow. but the story was about Cuba's horrible
economy. not the US. Food is at least one thing we have enough of in the US. too much actually. Doesn't sound like that is the case in Cuba.

later, I'm thirsty.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 02:31 AM
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12. Well, the embargo and other sanctions appear to have worked.
The array of US sanctions on Cuba, certain corporations, and US tourism travel were strategically designed to cripple Cuba's economy (of course our own economy is near crippled too, because of corporate/gov greed and malfeasance not an embargo, but that's another matter).

America has FINALLY crippled big bad-ass Cuba. (The people of course, not the Castros.) HOORAY!. So go out and cheer hardy. :beer: The people of Cuba are now starving. :beer:


:puke:


btw, that ag article is pure commodity market projection masturbation in dollars not tonnage. We are exporting more because other nations are buying. US imports are down because of the bad economy here (and there's a long way to fall left to go).

Cuba is broadening the base of farmers in preparation for hard times, while the US is narrowing the base to fewer farmers and even fewer multinational corporations.



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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 02:47 AM
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13. Mika, how bad is it?
Given the current economics what can we do?

Is it as bad as Haiti? (Supposedly our friend.)
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 09:34 AM
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14. the US has long been a net exporter of ag products, a positive
on a long trend of reliance on imports. I would be fine with the US selling more ag products to Cuba to alleviate the suffering of the people under Castro's thumb. I wonder how Cuba would pay for that though.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 11:01 AM
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15. You are so full of it!
I like the way you completely ignore the intense 60 years of specifically designed and coordinated US sanctions, that are intended to cripple the Cuban economy.

I could go on about how Americans enjoy a lifestyle based on credit levels that are in no way available to Cuba, and nevermind that Cuba is one of the first nations to achieve millennial sustainability goals (which would probably make Cuba a better bet for repayment of debt that a non sustainable model like the US).

Gee, I wonder how the US would survive if there was an embargo placed on us by our main trading partner, then every time we made adjustments the sanctions were then constantly modified to negate any progress. Of course we wouldn't tolerate any nation trying to cripple us. We would simply bomb the crap out of them, occupy them and use taxpayer money to rebuild the credit based corporate empire (that enables Americans to leave their mortgaged house to hop in their bank loaned/leased car to drive on roads that were built on credit(bonds) to go to a restaurant enabled by a huge loan and monthly credit lines in order to serve customers a big juicy steak and a beer that will be paid for on a credit card).

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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 11:38 AM
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16. I felt a little guilty knowing that my meal and beer was more than a Cuban's monthly salary
until I tasted it then feelings of guilt slipped away.

times are somewhat tough in the US now, but that is relative. Just look at Cuba.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 11:54 AM
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17. be patient
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:01 PM
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19. LOL. Pretty soon b29 will have to field dress one of those wild cows to survive. n/t
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:16 PM
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20. may have to build a raft and head to Cuba to get my monthly rations
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 11:59 AM
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18. Take that amount of money to Cuba and see what it would buy.
Certainly more than a single meal - more like a month's worth. Its all relative. You actually overpaid for your meal, seeing that it would feed you for a month in Cuba. The US is a rip-off. Cuba is reality based.


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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 05:54 PM
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24. Food is expensive for Cubans
but they do find ways to "resolver".

The libretta is going away and only lasts about ten days. That leaves twenty days in the month that one must solve the food problem.

Most Cubans pursue food as a priority. It's hard to get eggs sometimes, hard to get milk sometimes or afford it and hard to afford meat, and even hard for some families to afford basic vegetables.

Many times people have to resort to buying things at the dollar grocery store, like milk for kids when there is no powdered milk, and that is more expensive than here. It was expensive for me to afford to buy from the supermarkets.

Vegetables are expensive for a Cuban. I enjoyed buying what amounts to organic food for pesos for very cheap prices but the Cubans were haggling every peso.

The biggest expense and concern is protein.

They like pork but mostly cannot afford to eat it more than once a week from what I saw, or less. So that leaves them with rice and beans constantly. A family I knew lived on $20-30 a month between 3 people.
Their dinners were usually rice and beans, platanos, and fried bologna. They cannot afford vegetables or fruit very often.

One huge concern is cooking oil. People reuse cooking oil over and over again since a bottle is $1-3 and their salaries are 10-20. That is a cancer risk.

To eat well in Cuba one should spend about $100 a month. This is for a family of four eating meat almost daily. The only people who can afford that get remittances or work in an area where they earn currency outside of the usual working class rate, like musicians, people who work in tourism, etc.


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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 06:22 PM
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25. Transportation is another expense for Cubans
The machinas, those old 1950s cars charge 50 cents a ride.

That always surprised me, it's expensive for someone who makes
$10 a month.

The buses are much better now, Chinese, not the old "Camels" a
truck engine that carried 300 people.

If a Cuban is out late there are big problems. The buses do not
run late. So one must take a "taxi". Inevitably in this case the
driver will gouge you for as much as they can get. It doesn't
matter that you're a fellow Cuban. So for a fifteen minute ride
they'll ask $5. Of course it depends on whether they use gas or
deisel, the gas is very expensive so it justifies charging higher.

But we're back to the central paradox. How do they do it?

If you're making 10-20 a month and spending 5 to get home, and
security is a concern here, crime does exist in Havana, then it
represents a huge amount to you.

All is not what meets the eye in Cuba. Todo es ilegal, y todo se hace.

Everything is illegal, but everything is done.

That just about sums up survival in Cuba.

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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:00 PM
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7. United States agriculture exports imports
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 03:31 PM
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21. By now, four different delegations have gone from my church to Cuba
Except for the first couple of days, they're off the tourist circuit, staying in church hostels and private homes. They said the food was monotonous but OK, and they were surprised at how much people grew and processed their own food.

(On the matter of food, there's a series of mysteries written by a second-generation Miami Cuban, and the main character jokes about how her wealthy parents seem to have a horror of vegetables.)

Some of the members of these delegations are well-traveled in Latin America. They say that yes, the Cuban living standard is low by U.S. standards but by Latin American standards, especially Caribbean standards, pretty decent.

Jamaica and the Dominican Republic, for example, have a large wealthy class and all kinds of things available in the stores. However, large percentages of the population can't afford them, live in tin shacks, and eat little but rice and beans. Haiti is even worse off. Remember the stories about the people in Haiti baking mud cookies to stave off hunger?

I believe Jamaica has some guaranteed health care, thanks to its British colonial legacy, but the Dominican Republic and Haiti do not, and Haiti is something like 90% illiterate.

Lots of Dominicans have emigrated to the U.S., especially the New York area, and so have lots of Haitians, although Haitian boat people are unwelcome, unlike Cuban boat people. This is despite the fact that Haiti is much poorer and more violent than Cuba and has no social services other than a few private overseas charities.

So there are definitely worse fates than living in Cuba.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 03:39 PM
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22. Shhhh. You're supposed to keep a lid on info like this.
According to the "experts" (who've never been there) things are very bad in Cuba. So bad that one could feed oneself for a month for what it costs to feed oneself in the US for one meal.

:eyes:

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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 03:50 PM
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23. And I didn't even mention the Haitians who are,
for all practical purposes, slaves on sugar plantations in the Dominican Republic.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 06:51 PM
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26. I agree there are many worse places with less for the poor
but the issue in Cuba is that they compare themselves to the USA, to their relatives in Miami.

Also, the majority are living pretty much on rice and beans as steady
fare, but there are many who live pretty well on remittances from
their families and loved ones, often lovers in Europe or Canada.
I think most Cubans would not leave Cuba if they had higher incomes, not
much higher even, but more like $100 a month instead of $20.

It's nice to live in Cuba if you have enough money. I know that as a
foreigner I really love to spend time there. The people are great and
the culture is exceptional if you like or don't mind:

smoking
santeria
great popular music and dancing
sex
flirting
very plain food
and enough problems to fill your time every moment of the day
(in other words you need to enjoy problem solving, if not your
problems, your friends problems)
fidel on all channels -oh I forgot that ended a couple of years ago;)
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