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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 10:47 AM
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The Honduran Coup: Was it a Matter of Behind-the-Scenes Finagling by State Department Stonewallers?
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Braulio Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 11:37 AM
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1. Too speculative
The article is too speculative. Notice the question marks in the title. When I read it, I found a lot of it was based on speculation and hearsay. Sounds like Fox News.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:51 PM
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2. "'Speculative" is just about all we have, to try to be informed citizens and maybe be able to
anticipate the next "Financial 9/11" or unjust, heinous war committed in our name, or whatever our corporate rulers decide to do--given the miserable state of journalism in this country, with all news and opinion (except for the internet) controlled by corpo/fascist 'news' monopolies.

I'm all for speculation if it is based on whatever facts are obtainable, history, experience and intelligent analysis. And that is true of this article.

You call this "too speculative"? I call it good citizen journalism...

"U.S. Corporate Interests at Work

"Who were these outside officials who may have been involved in the planning and execution of the coup and what other possibly compromising actions may they have been associated with in recent months? Evidence points to Senator John McCain, Otto Reich, the heavily ideological policy advisor on Latin America for the McCain campaign, and Robert Carmona-Borjas, a Venezuelan lawyer, columnist and academic, all of whom may have had significant financial and politicized ties to the U.S. telecommunications industry. Senator McCain and the International Republican Institute (IRI), of which he is chairman, have both received significant funding from AT&T. In return, the IRI has fought tirelessly against Latin American democracies that refuse to privatize their telecommunication companies. By chance, Zelaya has been one of the chief opponents to privatization. Additionally, connections between this corporate agenda and Carmona-Borjas, who fled to the U.S. in 2002 after Chávez had been briefly ousted, have since been discovered. Carmona-Borjas is now a co-founder of the Arcadia foundation, an institute that has launched fierce attacks against Zelaya, accusing him of alleged fraud and corruption involving Hondutel, the Honduran state telecommunications company that he has refused to privatize. A fierce opponent of Zelaya and an acquaintance of Carmona-Borjas, rightwing ideologue Otto Reich has contested any reinstallment of the Zelaya administration. Perhaps this is because his firm, Otto Reich Associates, is the paid agent of a number of clients promoting the free trade ideology in Latin America, which has closely coincided with the push for privatization of the Honduran telecommunications industry. Now, with Zelaya at least temporarily removed from office, the history of the U.S. having its way in Latin America appears to be repeating itself with McCain, Carmona-Borjas, and Reich all playing a coordinated role in maintaining influence over a country that historically has been a prototype of the classic Central American banana republic."


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http://www.coha.org/2009/09/the-honduran-coup-was-it-a-matter-of-behind-the-scenes-finagling-by-state-department-stonewallers/

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I wouldn't call this article incisive. And the writer wobbles around a bit--dissing Chavez, on the one hand, and Obama, on the other. But I would not fault it for being "too speculative." In fact, I would take the speculation much further--and go beyond questions of whether or not our corporate rulers and their fascist operatives like John McCain are involved in Honduras (I mean, duh--John McCain has been funneling $43 million in US taxpayer money to the rightwing coupsters in Honduras, through the IRI; and Honduras is a "free trade for the rich" US client state, with our tax money also supporting the Honduran military that did the coup)--to questions like this:

Was Obama dealing with an insurrection within the State Dept. and the Pentagon, run by Bushwhack moles, implementing a Bush Junta-designed coup plot? (Note: The Honduran military plane carrying their kidnapped president stopped for refueling at the US air base at Soto Cano, Honduras, and the US military sat on its hands while this occurred. Who told them to stand down?)

Was this coup a landmine, laid by Bush-Cheney, to defeat Obama's stated policy of peace, respect and cooperation in Latin America, or worse, part of a Rumsfeld-designed war plan to take Venezuela's and Ecuador's oil by force (--a plan for which there is other evidence, such as the seven new US military bases in Colombia, a country run by narco-thugs, larded with $6 BILLION in US military aid, that just happens to be adjacent to both Venezuela's and Ecuador's main oil provinces)--a war plan that seems to be proceeding on its own momentum? (Note: With the seven new US military bases in Colombia, the reconstitution of the US 4th Fleet in the Caribbean, and the securing of the US military base in Honduras with a rightwing military coup, the Pentagon has Venezuela's main oil region surrounded.)

Did Obama agree to this coup or has he instead been scrambling to get control of the US government/military apparatus in Latin America, in the face of activities that he does not agree with and did not authorize? If this is a correct description of what is happening in US/Latin American policy--a "hawks vs doves" struggle--which side is Sec of State Clinton on?

Did the Obama/Clinton team at first feel inclined to wink at this coup--to placate the corporations and war profiteers involved--but, given the unanimous international outrage at the coup, and the reaction of the people of Honduras (where a huge leftist democracy movement is now under way, that began on Day #1 of the coup), have been pushed to take stronger measures to force the coup out of power?

These are very important questions for citizens of the US empire, who are paying for all this. This is good speculation, based on the obtainable facts, a knowledge of history, experience and intelligent analysis. It is not intelligent, it seems to me, to sit back and "have faith" in Obama. We have had presidents like him before who had what appeared to be good policy, while the war profiteers and the corporate rulers and the CIA had quite another. And we have had presidents who said one thing and did another. And we have had an increasing problem of secrecy in our government, along with corpo/fascist media disinformation, whereby the people in this country don't know what the fuck is going on. We need to anticipate trouble. The Bush Junta taught us that, if nothing else. And, believe me, what is going on in US Latin American policy has the potential for creating a whole lot of trouble.

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And, by the way, welcome to DU!

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Braulio Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 06:01 PM
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3. Still too speculative, and thanks
Still speculative. The discussion highlighted links between right wingers in the USA and the coup. Not between the Obama Administration's State Dpt and the coup. One has to be incredibly naive to believe US right wing organizations do not link up with their counterparts elsewhere. This also applies to their left wing counterparts - after all, wasn't Zelaya flying around in a PDVSA-owned private jet?

When articles such as this use tenuous what ifs and then roll into a hard link, they are merely serving propaganda purposes. Myself, I've learned to smell disinformation and propaganda, and poor practices, and this is clearly an article which could have used better redaction (or at least a better title). For example, if the title had been "US Hardliners linked to Honduras Coup", and it had focused on that theme, then I would have said dish out more of it.

Interestingly, these hard liners seem to keeping on the same obtuse, retarded practices the Bush administration was so prone to use. Zelaya only had 6 months left in power, and they are having elections in which none of the candidates with a chance to win were aligned with Zelaya or his advisors. So evidently kicking him out the way they did was incredibly stupid. All it did was make a famous martyr out of a fairly small time leftish leader more known for his hats than his competence. I guess it doesn't take a lot of brains to make general in Honduras.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 06:12 PM
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4. Well, he wasn't a big success at auto theft.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 06:33 PM
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6. This is not speculation: Obama has not met with Zelaya. eom
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 06:31 PM
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5. When will our Supreme Court oust Obama?
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