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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 12:04 PM
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Agent Provocateur, Robert Carmona-Borjas, Resurfaces on Honduras Issue
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 02:33 PM
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1. Scary guy. But it's interesting to see how he worms his way around the opposition of
of virtually the entirety of Latin America's leadership, to the violent junta in Honduras. He writes:

"The positions of countries, such as Venezuela, that encouraged and orchestrated the return of Mr. Zelaya go against many of the principles and values accepted in peaceful international relations. This includes Nicaragua, who has offered its territory to external aggression. This even includes Brazil, who surprisingly provided their diplomatic facilities to protect the disorder and violence and as such, assume serious political and legal responsibilities.

Even after the illegal return of Mr. Zelaya, who has no majority in popular support, and is sheltered in the embassy of a country which broke relations with the current government
(i.e., Brazil--my note), the Arcadia Foundation believes negotiation is still available.

President Micheletti’s government should seek a negotiated solution, though this must mean Mr. Zelaya never returns to the presidency of Honduras. A third person, perhaps other than the biased President Oscar Arias
(of Costa Rica--my note) and the implementation of free and fair elections in November, should they not be suspended by the actions of the United Nations, would bring about change. (my emphasis)

http://hondurasoye.wordpress.com/2009/09/26/agent-provocateur-robert-carmona-borjas-resurfaces-on-honduras-issue/

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Venezuela (and other such countries)
Nicaragua
Brazil
Costa Rica


All with anti-democratic leaders, who violated OAS principles, and are now responsible for the Honduran junta's violence against the people of Honduras! --according to this fascist asshole.

The thinking here is mindbogglingly twisted, but he has to get around many facts, including the fact that the Honduran coup has been universally condemned by the OAS and Latin America's leadership (as well as by the EU and the US). So he, one by one, disses Venezuela for "orchestrating" Zelaya's return (there is no evidence that it did*), Nicaragua for "external aggression" (I don't even know what he means--but there has been no "external aggression"), Brazil, one of the most moderate of the many leftist governments in Latin America, for giving the elected president of Honduras refuge in its embassy "to protect disorder and violence" (????), and Costa Rica, of all countries--with a moderate to rightwing "free trade" government run by Oscar Arias, who negotiated the most mild, yielding and forgiving of compromises to restore order in Honduras--a compromise that the Junta has adamantly and repeatedly rejected, out of hand.

"...and other such countries." He means the rest of Latin America and the unanimous OAS, which all oppose this coup and have demanded the return of Zelaya to his rightful office.

That's a lot of facts to get around! And he has to twist and turn things around into a Mobius Strip to have this violent rightwing Junta come out as innocent of any crime--though dozens are dead, and thousands are injured and imprisoned at their hands--to place the blame for their dreadful violence on everybody but them, and to counter the unanimous condemnation of the coup and demand for Zelaya's return. Who has defied international order here? Who has broken the law? Zelaya has harmed no one--and in fact helped many, with a raise in the minimum wage and other policies--and the rest of the world is appalled at the disorder that this Junta has caused within Honduras. It is entirely their own doing.

A rightwing poster here at DU today tried this lie out--that the violence in Honduras in Zelaya's fault. That's like blaming a union leader, when the state or corporation commits violence against striking workers, for having called a strike. The injustice and violence are all on one side in Honduras, and none of it is Zelaya's fault. Nor is it the fault of the international community, which has been seeking a peaceful remedy in every way that it can. NO ONE IS AGGRESSING AGAINST the Honduran coupsters. THEY are the aggressors--starting with their violent removal of the elected president from the country, and through every event since then.

Rightwing liars continue to amaze me. Their brains seem frozen in, oh, 1980, and they have to make everything fit that Reaganite delusion that the rich have the right to kill the poor--which the Reaganites did in genocidal numbers in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala and other countries--and that greed is good.

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*(I read somewhere that Venezuela provided the plane that flew Zelaya to El Salvador, where he took another plane to the border, disembarked and then traveled overland, incognito, into the capitol of Honduras, and finally--in the trunk of car into the Brazilian embassy.** But Chavez has since denied supplying the plane. In that account, El Salvador must be added to the list of countries "orchestrating" Zelaya's return. But whoever provided the covert plan, the airplanes, the overland transportation, and the ruses--such as Zelaya being scheduled to speak to the UN--a covert plan that I think likely included the U.S.--the upshot is that NUMEROUS countries cooperated on Zelaya's return and are insisting on his restoration as president. )

**(Zelaya's saga reminds me of good King Charles II's escape from England, after his errant father, Charles I, was beheaded and the horrible Cromwellians took over. He was still just a prince when he was forced to flee, but his escape took on legendary status, and there were many, many stories about where he hid in the English countryside (he was more than 6 feet tall--an unusual height for that era), and how he traveled on his way across England to France. He was eventually returned, by acclimation of the people, as Charles II, reopened the theaters (a hated Cromwellian law, shutting down the theaters in London), founded the Royal Science Society (in which he had a great personal interest), tried to avoid or prevent the religious wars and persecutions of the era, and became known for his great wit, love of women and devotion to his lifelong mistress, and his return became known as "The Restoration"--a period of great creativity and renewal in English society after the dark cloud of Cromwellism. Zelaya's return will certainly be legendary--already is--and hopefully will spark a new and hopeful era in Honduras, after decades of rule by the "ten families" and US corporations).
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 02:40 PM
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2. An esoteric blame the victim.
He and Yoo would do well together.
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