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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 02:07 PM
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AL JAZEERA Video Inside Embassy and Article on Honduras’ Deadline to Brazil

http://hondurasoye.wordpress.com/2009/09/27/al-jazeera-video-inside-embassy-and-article-on-honduras-deadline-to-brazil/

Can't seem to make up their minds on how long Mel can stay in the embassy. Time delay communicating with Washington?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 03:13 PM
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1. Lula has told them to stuff it and he wants an apology.
LOL

The longer this crew hangs on, the more people they're pissing off.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 03:56 PM
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2. Can Brazil issue Interpol warrants on them?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 04:01 PM
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3. I saw the comment at that site, by blogger "Charles II"*
"Since Lula responded this morning that Brazil doesn’t take orders from golpistas, it would seem that the trap just got terminated with prejudice.'

But do you have a link to Lulu's comments?

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*(My favorite English king. Totally irrelevant, but hey...)
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 04:21 PM
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4. All I have is a Reuters link. Very brief.
Edited on Sun Sep-27-09 04:31 PM by Downwinder
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 04:58 PM
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7. Ah, that second post is great! Lulu says some wonderful things!
http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/11256/

Lula to Honduras: Brazil Won't Accept Ultimatum, Return Zelaya to Power!
Written by José Wilson Miranda
Sunday, 27 September 2009

(SNIP)

"I won't accept any ultimatum from a government responsible for a coup," Lula told reporters in the Venezuelan town of Porlamar where he went for a South-America/Africa summit hosted by Venezuelan leader, Hugo Chavez. Moreover he indicated that he will not negotiate with a government that "usurped power."

Once again the Brazilian chief of state declared that Zelaya is Honduras's legitimate president. Lula also reminded that the ousted leader is a host of the Brazilian embassy in capital Tegucigalpa.

"Zelaya was ousted from power the most shameful way possible", said Lula. "For me, the solution is simple: the coupsters should leave the presidential palace."

According to Lula, the South American continent "fought a lot to consign to the trash can of history the military dictatorships of the past. We cannot allow this kind of reversal in the continent."

Lula, who talked after meeting with South American and African colleagues, commented that he doesn't believe that the de-facto government of Honduras will stage a take over of the Brazilian building. According to his reasoning not even the worst dictatorships entered embassies by force:

"Not even Pinochet's dictatorship (Augusto Pinochet, Chilean dictator in the 70s), which was the bloodiest in all the continent, violated an embassy."

(SNIP)

...Lula, stressed that few times in history there was as much consensus against a government responsible for a coup d'état.

(SNIP)

(For) ...the Brazilian foreign ministry, the communiqué (coup giving Brazil 10 days, etc.) doesn't mean a thing and Brazil won't even bother responding to it since the country doesn't recognize Roberto Micheletti, the current president, as Honduras's legitimate chief of state.


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Go, Lulu!!!

:applause: :bounce: :applause:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 04:41 PM
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5. The hondurasoye site also has an AJ article...
that quotes the golpista "secretary of foreign affairs" as saying the following:

“No country is able to tolerate that a foreign embassy is used as a command base to generate violence and break tranquility like Mr. Zelaya has been doing in our country since his arrival."

This has a particularly false ring since entirely peaceful, non-violent demonstrations against the coup have been on-going from Day #1 of the coup--i.e., for several months now, when Zelaya was NOT in the country (having been violently exiled). Also, all violence--including atrocious violence and death--has been committed solely by the coup military and police. THEY have "broken tranquility." The protest groups and Zelaya himself have repeatedly committed to non-violent civil resistance. There is absolutely zero evidence to the contrary.

I just wanted to point this out--the entire statement is obviously a pile of excrement--because it focuses on Zelaya as somehow (contrary to all evidence) responsible for violence. That is like blaming a union leader, after the state or corporation has violently repressed striking workers, for calling a strike. It self-justifies violence or other hostile actions against the union leader, and attempts to deflect guilt from the perpetrators of the violence. This adds a bit to the evidence that the golpistas think that they can get away with further harm to Zelaya. They've certainly gotten away with everything so far.

However, if their job (assigned to them by their paymasters here) is to retain the state of martial law (repression of the mainstream leftist political movement) through the "election" in November, they won't move against Zelaya but rather will continue playing "cat and mouse" with threats and posturing, and just wait out his term. Even the US has said that it won't recognize a coup-run election, but they may be working with the rightwing here to engineer enough distraction and flak--possibly on unrelated issues--to get Obama/Clinton to bend on this matter, once they show a "new face" of the backgrounded junta as the "elected" leader of the country. The more weeks they eat up between now and the election--and the more leftists they beat up, imprison or kill---the more feasible does this scenario become. It could include, for instance, a sudden capitulation to the Arias Accord, by the Junta, weeks before the "election," for appearances only--muddying up the issue of a fair election, and giving an "out" to Obama/Clinton (if that's what they want) and perhaps other less firm leaders (a "divide and conquer" tactic against the OAS and the overwhelming opposition to this Junta).

It's really hard to predict, right now, whether they will take the Fool's path of harm to Zelaya (they will NOT get away with that), or "play their cards" more judiciously. They are a very insular, self-feeding group, and could be fooled by their own success, thus far, into rash moves that will instantly topple them. (An attack on the Brazilian embassy and/or harm to Zelaya will bring UN--probably Brazilian--troops into Honduras. Don't know what the hundreds of troops at the US base in Soto Cano, Honduras, will be ordered to do--but the UN will surely step in.) Or they could "play a better game" and achieve their goals of retaining riches and power by subtler means. Temporarily achieve them. The leftist political movement that has been building up for years, and has been galvanzed by this coup, is not going to go away. The Junta's "time" is very limited. How much can they fatten their bank accounts before real democracy is achieved by the people of Honduras?
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 04:49 PM
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6. Thats the key. It is time to start freezing golpista bank accounts.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 05:50 PM
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8. Did you see this item in the Bertha Caceres interview--they're robbing ALBA funds!
(I didn't know this The scum!)

"I think we need to be clear that this coup is the beginning of a strategy of direct aggression, and aggression backed by the US, against the process of integration of the ALBA (Bolivian Alternative for the Americas). The Honduran people were really fighting for ALBA. It was an initiative in part by the president, but it was something that we had to push for. And that's why it outrages us to see that these tyrants, these assassins, are using the money of the ALBA, this money that was produced by the labor of our brothers in the Caribbean, of the Venezuelan and Cuban people, to pay for their international jet-setting. That they're using to pay the plane tickets of Miguel Facusse. It's heartbreaking to see how they've robbed from the central bank of Honduras to pay the repressors. To pay the millionaires who are running this campaign of terror against our people. Who are they paying? The grand czar of the communications monopoly in Honduras, Rafael Ferrari, the same coup leader.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/popular-resistance-to-the_b_301211.html
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 06:00 PM
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9. And trying to blame it on Mel. Not in the article but in previous reports.
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