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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:38 PM
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Venezuela crime
well, we certainly hear alot about violence in Colombia, what about say Venezuela.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/09/AR2006050901803.html

It's that sort of cycle that gives Venezuela a solid claim to the dubious title of the world's capital of violent crime. According to U.N. figures, the rates of gun-related violence are higher here than anywhere else on earth. The rank stench coming from the police office -- a building that doubles as a morgue -- is a rotten byproduct of a homicide rate that in recent years has eclipsed that of Colombia, a country torn by 40 years of civil strife between armed militias.Bullets fly so often in Caracas that even the white truck that ferries dead bodies from the barrios to the forensics building has a bullet hole in its driver's-side door.

Venezuela, a country of 26 million, has recorded an average of nearly 10,000 homicides a year since Chavez took office. The homicide rate, 37 deaths per 100,000 people, is more than double what it was in the 1990s.



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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:54 PM
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1. 33 murdered per day in 2007
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:17 PM
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2. Venezuela Crime in the 90's
The expansion of illicit drug production and transportation appeared to have the potential to disrupt Venezuelan internal security significantly in the 1990s. As the decade began, most illegal drug activity in Venezuela resulted from a spillover effect from Colombia, the world's leading distributor of cocaine. Venezuela's long Caribbean coastline and large expanses of sparsely populated territory made it attractive as a transshipment point for cocaine products in transit from Colombia to the United States. The gravity of the security situation along the western border was brought home to the Venezuelan public during the presidential election campaign of late 1988, when the media publicized an incident that took place on October 29 near the town of El Amparo along a tributary of the Rio Arauca. What was originally reported as an ambush of Colombian guerrillas by Venezuelan troops eventually turned out to have been the inadvertent murder of sixteen Venezuelan fishermen. The revelation that security forces had mistakenly fired on peaceful residents, then apparently attempted to cover up their error, caused a political furor. It also highlighted the increasing confusion along the frontier that resulted from the activities of drug traffickers and Colombian guerrillas. The overreaction of the Venezuelan forces also suggested that they were not properly prepared to deal with the situation.

Although Venezuela's role in the international drug trade was limited in 1990 to the transshipment of drugs and precursor chemicals, there were signs that this role was expanding. In November 1989, authorities made the largest cocaine seizure in the country's history, taking 2,220 kilograms in transit through Valencia. It has been estimated that 130 tons of cocaine and basuco (semirefined paste) entered the country during 1990. There was no evidence that Venezuela was a major drugproducing country in 1990, but some marijuana was grown along the Sierra de Perija, in the northwestern part of Venezuela along the border with Colombia. The National Guard has carried out eradication programs in the area, with financial and material assistance from the United States.

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Venezuela continued to be a major drug transit country in 1998. Most large scale drug shipments transiting Venezuela originate in Colombia and are smuggled out of major Venezuelan ports in commercial cargo to the U.S. and Europe. Drugs are transported on commercial aircraft (either by drug mules or hidden in air cargo) and small aircraft through Venezuelan airspace. In addition, boats carrying drug shipments from Colombia pass through Venezuela's territorial waters on their way to Caribbean transshipment points.

http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/rwinslow/samerica/venezuela.html
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:26 PM
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3. 2003 statistics
http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html

TOP TEN COUNTRIES FOR HOMICIDE, 2003 COUNTRY PER 100,000
(1) Colombia 63
(2) South Africa 51
(3) Jamaica 32
(4) Venezuela 32
(5) Russia 19
(6) Mexico 13
(7) Lithuania 10
(8) Estonia 10
(9) Latvia 10
(10) Belarus 9

...but there are no reliable statistics and Interpol refuses to make its statistics public.

Where is Iraq? is this political motivated?
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:33 PM
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4. since 2003 Venezuela has surpassed Colombia
the murder rate for Ven is actually higher than that of Iraq according to some sources I saw. Over 12,000 murdered in 11 months in 2007.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:45 PM
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5. Strange, I don't see any official statistics
The interpol site doesn't even mention their work in Colombia http://www.interpol.int/Public/News/Default.asp

Colombia may have more murders but the way they count them might be different or the crime is spilling over to the Colombian neighbors.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:52 PM
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6. well, crime is down Colombia and up in Ven over the past few years
I believe Ven no longer keeps homicide statistics but am not sure about that. you'll find plenty of info on the net.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:07 PM
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7. It could be that corruption helps to bring the crime rates down
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The two main themes was the corruption present in the Venezuelan Criminal Justice system as well as the poor conditions in prisons. Now I know from some brief pieces I’ve read that the Chavez government did move some reform of the judiciary including suspending judges heavily accused of corruption. It’s something I intend to examine in more detail (ie what specific instances, the situation now), but it’s important to note that most corruption is present in advanced capitalist countries rather than the so-called third world (see the recent piece I posted a week or two ago).

As for the prison overcrowding. I first think it’s important to get it into context. Firstly, Venezuela only has 30 prisons which really isn’t very many. Secondly the Venezuelan proportion of people in prison in Venezuela (74 per 100,000) is significantly lower than in the UK (145) and thus massively lower than the US (738 - which is the highest incarceration rate in the world). In fact Venezuela imprisons less people than Sweden (78). So it’s not some kind of authoritarian regime imprisoning lots of people, indeed the prison overcrowding existed prior to and during Chavez being in power.

If one looks carefully at the Venezuelan prison stats (I got kicked out of the library before I could make a note of exactly where I got them from, I think they were UN ones), you notice that almost half of the entire Venezuelan prison population consists of remand prisoners. So half of the prison population is those who haven’t been even sentenced yet! The reason, the lack of judges to proceed with court cases so prisoners are held for extremely long periods of time.
http://leftwingcriminologist.blogspot.com/2007/10/venezuela-and-crime-preliminary.html
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:59 PM
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8. Funny
If someone tried to blame the crime in the US on Bush, they'd think you were crazy. Or the crime in Russia on Putin. Or the crime in South Africa on Nelson Mandela or Thabo Mbeki. In fact, no one else brings up these countries' crime rates ever, and even if they would, they wouldn't be using them to insinuate that the country's leader is a bad president.

The Venezuelan infrastructure has a long way to go to root out corruption, but it was corrupt before Chavez, and it's still corrupt. Hopefully the record low unemployment rate in Venezuela will help get more people off the streets and working at jobs. But I'd bet dollars to donuts that if Chavez does anything to fire corrupt police officers, that the opposition would be claiming that he is acting like a dictator and that he shouldn't be consolidating his power by firing police officers. Cause if there is one thing that we can count on for sure about Chavez's detractors, it's that he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:34 AM
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9. Agree
Same thing happend with food prices, it's the market or economics 101 to excuse B*

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3060197
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