Cuba dissidents propose vote on freeing prisoners

[naaman fletcher]

HAVANA (Reuters) - Cuban dissidents proposed on Thursday that the public vote on whether the island's political prisoners should be freed, while Cuba said its enemies are using human rights to "demonize" it.

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"Why not leave the solution of this matter in the hands of the people?" Francisco Chaviano said in a press conference held by dissident group Agenda for the Cuban Transition.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/08/AR2010040805083.html

[Mika]

1. Proposal is straight out of UofMiami Casa Bacardi Cuba transition project (CIA).

The US sponsored so called "dissident" group (the focus of above story) known as "Agenda for the Cuban Transition" are sponsored by RW exilio Miami. The "transition plan" was written there by Bacardi's banks of exile lawyers headed up by Bush appointee and fmr head of the US interests section in Havana Jaime Suchlicki (who was in charge while the US interests section was ferrying money from Luis Posada and Santiago Alvarez to "dissidents" in Cuba). Even Paya wants nothing to do with these mercenaries.

More confirmation of the traitorous ties between US created "dissidents" and the US gov that the Cuban authorities accuse them of.

Thanks for posting this story as more evidence.


http://ctp.iccas.miami.edu/advisory_board.htm
http://ctp.iccas.miami.edu/staff.htm

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[naaman fletcher]

2. Thanks for the information

I did not know about the background of the group. But, does that make their proposal bad?

[protocol rv]

3. It's a good proposal, but it should be modified

It should propose a vote to write a new Constitution, like Zelaya wanted to do in Honduras ;-)

[Billy Burnett]

4. Having traitors and criminals create legislation isn't usually the way democracies work.

Legislation is usually forwarded by elected representatives of the people - not by traitors and criminals with terrorist connections, not when said proposal is written and funded by the self declared enemy of the nation.

If these cretins want to create change, they should use democratic methodologies.
Even Paya's anti abortion Catholic Party created a legal petition and presented it legally to the Assembly.
They - The Transition Party - are so fuckin unpopular they don't even hold one seat in any parliament. Cubans like their socialism, and are not about to vote it away.

[naaman fletcher]

5. Fair enough.

Fair enough on traitors not writing legislation. However, I still don't buy the overall argument on this board that Cuba is not a dictatorship, but that is an argument for another time.

[protocol rv]

6. Maybe you should tone your language down?

This isn't legislation. The proposal is for a referendum. Evidently a referendum can be proposed by anybody. Also, calling people who want to hold a referendum a "cretin" is rude. Why don't you tone it down? What people are proposing is similar to what the left wing proposed in Honduras, and your buddies were foaming at the mouth when the military pulled a coup to stop it.

Paya's "legal petition" was deemed illegal by the government (see the recent post where Alarcon mentions requests for the national assembly to debate constitutional changes are considered illegal, because Paya is mis-interpreting Cuba's communist drafted Constitution). Paya and followers have been arrested numerous times for making such proposals.

Given the controversy, I took the time to read the Cuban Constitution. My conclusion is that it doesn't allow for any form of referendum proposal, nor does it really allow for changes to the basic legal and political structure. The way it's written, it declares Cuba is a communist country, and also has clauses which allow the authorities to write laws to jail anybody who wants to change Cuba from communist to anything else. So the communists did what they have usually done, they gained power, then created a legal and law enforcement cage to keep power. They have the laws, and the repressive machine to make sure the Cuban people are bound to be communists "forever".

So the only avenue left for the Cuban people, whether they are outside or inside the country, is to protest and to demonstrate, and make proposals which fall outside of the legal boundaries set by the state. I know this is extremely unpleasant for you, just like the referendum proposal was to the elites in Honduras, but it's a reality. Calling them cretins won't make them go away. The sense all over the world is that Cuba has been given too much slack to abuse human rights without due consideration of the impact this has on the population. Countries and companies are too willing to pervert any sense of ethics or morality to make a little money from these abusive regimes, and hopefully there will be a change in the future. And this applies to Honduras, Cuba, Iran, Israel, Sudan, Iraq, and all the other places where human rights abuses and irrational policies are prevalent.

[Judi Lynn]

7. Especially traitors working for the same regime the Cuban people threw OUT of Cuba in 1959.

Clearly these same pieces of filth think they can devise a way to reseize power and climb right back on top of the Cuban majority, with the help of these scummy provocateurs.

That dirty, slimy tactic has been done to death, time after time after time.

There's a reason Cuba has been able to hang onto its independence these long years, and these greedy, dishonest whores aren't going to take the hard-won progress away form Cubans, no matter HOW many wealthy, degenerated slugs they have supporting them in the States.

[Mika]

8. Some here are in complete denial that Cuba has democratic processes.

A referendum can only be authorized by the National Assembly by voting on a bill that is introduced and seconded by elected members of the Assembly.

A petition like Oswaldo Paya's (Proyecto Varela) was a request for a referendum for the Assembly to consider, but since no elected member would introduce it or second it, then no bill for a referendum could be legally considered. Despite the mewling denials, Cuba has parliamentary procedures similar to other parliaments around the world.

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[Judi Lynn]

9. Apparently they think "democracy" means to accept the will of right-wingers

OUTSIDE their own country, and the dictates of their paid provocateurs working against the people's government.

A stupid reading of "democracy," for sure. Can't tell if it's chosen stupidity, or hereditary.

[Mika]

10. Only rapacious capitalism = democracy.

:sarcasm:

Funny how some of the the Cuba B.C. crowd here chastises some of us for supporting Zelaya's planned referendum (a nonbinding survey, actually) because it was supposedly an unconstitutional referendum on changing the constitution. But now we're supposed to support an attempt to create a referendum in Cuba created by unelected self declared enemies of Cuba, that is an unconstitutional undertaking.

They're living in some kind of alternate delusional pretzel logic loop fantastical land of milk and honey.


on edit: I see that, after I exposed the Miami exile connections with this group in Cuba, the un-rec'ers are out in force. oops. lol

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[Judi Lynn]

11. Good point! Deposed racist murderous a-holes in exile and their employees inside Cuba

are the right people to call for referenda, but an honestly elected DEMOCRATIC public serving President of Honduras is NOT. Sure, you "betcha."

Marvelous "moral"/"intellectual" stretching exercise, isn't it?

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[protocol rv]

13. Mika, Mika

In Cuba there's no democracy. Thanks to your prodding and discussions with my Cuban friends, I decided to read the Cuban Constitution. Not only is it a very flawed document (it leaves the actual text to "the law", meaning the clauses tend to be very vague), it also enshrines communism. This by itself makes it an invalid document, since it's intended to preserve a party in power, and gives this party the power to commit acts of repression against anybody who would want to change it. By its own very nature, the Cuban Constitution demonstrates the Castro regime is an oligarchy.

[protocol rv]

12. Maybe the Cuban majority wants Castro and the communists out?

I'd like to remind you most of the people who are opposing the regime within Cuba weren't even born when Castro took over. And it's not dirty nor slimy to propose a referendum to see what the majority thinks about the constitution, which has to be changed to force the communists out of power.

Why are you so extreme and insult others so much, when all they want is the same thing you are proposing in Honduras?