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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 10:12 PM
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Lula just spoiled Hillery's Sunday big time



She is probably going around muttering and cussing out Lula. Maybe kicking Bill for good measure. Stamping her feet. :rofl:

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Turkey, Brazil seal deal on Iran nuclear fuel swap

By Parisa Hafezi Parisa Hafezi – Sun May 16, 5:06 pm ET

TEHRAN (Reuters) – Turkey said on Sunday Iran had agreed on a nuclear fuel swap deal which could help end Tehran's stand-off with the West over its atomic programme.

Full details of the agreement were not immediately released by Turkish and Brazilian officials mediating in Iran's dispute with leading world powers, who suspect Tehran of covertly developing a nuclear bomb.

Turkey's foreign ministry said a formal announcement might be made on Monday after any final revisions by the Brazilian and Iranian presidents and the Turkish prime minister.

"Yes, it has been reached after almost 18 hours of negotiations," Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told reporters in Tehran when asked if there would be an agreement.

Earlier, Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan flew to Tehran to join Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva who has been negotiating with Iranian officials in what Western and Russian authorities have said is probably the last chance to avoid new U.N. sanctions against Iran.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_iran_nuclear_deal



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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 10:46 PM
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1. Oh, this is getting really interesting. The article says Hillary stated Lula would fail
in attempting this mediation.

What to do? Declare Lula an enemy now? Wait until the new Brazilian President is in place, and try to coerce him/her to become a servant of the US empire?

This is no doubt a moment she really wishes she hadn't lost that primary!
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 11:00 PM
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3. Suspect Hil and company will find some way to scuttle the Turkey-Iran deal


... with the help of Bibi, of course.




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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 11:02 PM
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16. Bibi is already saying that Turkey and Brazil were manipulated.
Makes me miss the "Batman" series of my youth, seriously.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 10:54 PM
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2. Oh, man.
Well, he owed her one for the way she treated his embassy in Honduras.

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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 04:31 PM
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8. +1
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 11:01 PM
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4. My first thought was: What a MISTAKE Hillary made in Honduras, crossing Lulu.
She can't tell a real Nobel Peace Prize winner in the making, when she sees one. Got distracted, I guess, by that weird award to Obama, or maybe by using (Nobel Peace Prize winner) Oscar Arias as a footstool.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 08:46 AM
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5. OK I'm sure I've pointed this out before.
It's LulA not Lulu.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 04:32 PM
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9. Lulu is Lula's inner Anima that is currently being a bitch to Hillary nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 09:27 PM
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14. LOL.
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protocol rv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 06:22 PM
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10. Patriot, there's something that really bothers me and I have to tell you
The man's name is Jose Ignacio "Lula" da Silva. Please stop calling him Lulu. I admire the man, and it sounds like you're trying to insult him with the "Lulu" designation.
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ChangoLoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 09:29 AM
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6. Apparently, there's no real change with this deal as the main issue
is for Iran to send the totality of its uranium to be enriched abroad and they still haven't accepted it. Anyway, they probably won't and they'd be right not to. Besides Brazil, I appreciate the new role Turkey is rapidly acquiring in their region. Finally! In this case, it is highly important for the rest of the world not to let the US assume the leadership of this dialog nor the current hysterical Israeli govt set its guidelines.
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protocol rv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 11:36 AM
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7. Iranians are smart
However, that regime sure sounds wobbly. The Obama administration is probably happy to see this deal, it buys them time so they can tell the Israel lobby to be patient, they don't have to try to apply sanctions, a bit of uranium comes out of Iran, and this allows for the Iranian people to take the religious fascists out of action.
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 07:53 PM
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11. They are not laughing at Lula today




Lucia Newman, Al-Jazeera's Latin America editor

Lula's Iranian gamble
By Lucia Newman in Americas on May 17th, 2010



Whether or not the Iranian uranium swap deal just bartered by Brazil's President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva (with Turkey's co-operation) lays the grandwork for an ultimate solution to the conflict, it is worth noting those who were laughing at President Lula last week are not laughing anymore.

The US state department and others in the G8 and in Brazil, had been ridiculing President Lula for even attempting to mediate in the conflict.

"He's letting Brazil's emerging power status get to his head" and "He thinks he's playing in the majdor leagues!", a top level US state department official recently mocked.

In Brasilia, respected analysts such as Andre Cesar told me that he thought Lula's "inflated ego" was the driving force for his involvement in messy issues like Iran and Palestine, adding that he risked making a fool of himself.

"What makes Lula think that he can succeed where the United States, Russia and France failed?" critics asked.

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Another article that touches on several aspects of the Turkey-Brazil-Iran deal.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/imperium/2010/05/17/nuking-washingtons-iran-sanctions


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 09:00 PM
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12. Thanks for this. I remember Lucia Newman when she worked for CNN at the time they opened a bureau
in Cuba. Cool.

I hadn't heard any of the more direct nasty remarks from the State Department, just knew, of course, Hillary had been taking shots at Lula.

It's time they came to grips with the realization Latin American solidarity is GOING TO HAPPEN. It's the natural result of taking back what is rightfully theirs, and taking their rightful sovereignty out of the manipulating hands of exploitive, grabby, ruthless, unprincipled, murderous, sneaky, treacherous outsiders.

That unnamed "top level US state department official" needs to wake up and realize he/she isn't the one who determines who the "major leagues" are. He/she's just a dweeb in some State Department's official's employ. If we want his/her views on anything we'll come to the broom closet and ask them.

Best wishes, and hope for Lula's attempt. How wonderful for everyone concerned if it works.
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protocol rv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 09:08 PM
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13. Latin American solidarity is going to happen
In the year 2525, if we are still alive, we'll see solar powered llamas crossing the countryside
Each child will play with an eco-friendly toy, made by Chinese workers full of joy
And we'll see statues of Uribe and his friend Lula, each of them holding up a wad of moolah.

:-)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 09:29 PM
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15. Lula is brilliant and he is still young.
How tonto does someone have to be to laugh at him.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 02:56 AM
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17. Third World Diplomatic Cooperation and the Future of US Empire in the Middle East
http://www.truthout.org/third-world-diplomatic-cooperation-and-future-us-empire-middle-east60118

Last week, Brazilian President Lula da Silva and Turkish Prime Minister Reccep Erdogan announced a breakthrough agreement on the Iranian nuclear impasse that they claimed would make further sanctions on Iran "unnecessary."

The agreement, accepted by Iran, was immediately rejected by the US and its European allies, who chose instead to continue the three-decade long US effort to strangle and isolate Iran by all means available. In what Graham Fuller, a top-ranking former intel official, called "a stunningly insulting response," Hillary Clinton proudly announced consensus for a fourth round of sanctions against Iran days later, which she called "as convincing an answer to the efforts undertaken in Iran in the past few days as any we could provide."

With multiple aircraft carrier battlegroups right off Iran's coast and threats of attack emanating from Washington and Tel Aviv on a regular basis, the US is literally demanding at gunpoint that Iran surrender a large portion of its enriched uranium in exchange for delivery of nuclear fuel for its reactors to be supplied by Europe or Russia and cease all enrichment activities at once. Meanwhile, Iran has insisted that it cannot trust the West after decades of aggressive and hostile US policies - including the overthrow of Iran's democratically-elected government in 1953 - and that, consequently, the uranium should be exchanged on Iranian territory and only after it receives the nuclear fuel. Under the Lula-Erdogan agreement, the swap would take place on Turkish soil under the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

Though barely mentioned in the US press, the Lula-Erdogan agreement is a truly remarkable and historic event that may have "changed the Middle East forever" as David Rothkopf wrote in Foreign Policy. It has "seemingly ushered in a new era of diplomacy," he continued, and "could well signal a change in how international diplomacy works." In direct defiance of US orders, these two lesser, "third world" countries, which were once treated as mere vassals, have challenged a key US regional objective. Should China, Russia and/or the IAEA get behind the deal, US efforts to build international support for sanctions would suffer an even graver setback.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 05:27 AM
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18. Great article. So much may come from that trip Lula took!
More from the article:
The Lula-Erdogan agreement represents an important and major defeat for these longstanding efforts to suppress democracy and freedom in the third world. It was fear of these threats to US dominance that led to strong US backing for the overthrow of the democratically-elected Brazilian leader Joao Goulart by Castelo Branco in 1964. President Johnson ordered that the US take "every step that we can" to aid in the overthrow of Goulart, while large multinational corporations and international financial institutions bankrolled the cruel, right-wing dictatorship as it dismantled the Congress, banned all political parties, eliminated press freedoms and savagely repressed the population for 20 years. In exchange, military rulers ensured Brazil was a reliable US vassal in the effort to thwart independence and self-determination in Latin America, a glimpse of the grim fate millions of people in Brazil and elsewhere in the region would suffer over the subsequent decades.
Very glad to have seen this. Thank you.
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