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VioletLake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 06:18 PM
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Latin America & Socialism
My apologies if this interesting essay has already been posted/discussed.

Latin America & Twenty-First Century Socialism: Inventing to Avoid Mistakes
http://monthlyreview.org/100701harneckerIntro.php

I remind you of what Noam Chomsky has said about the role these media play: they are instruments to “manufacture consent,” which make it possible to “shepherd the bewildered herd.” According to Chomsky, propaganda is as necessary to bourgeois democracy as repression is to the totalitarian state.51 Therefore, bourgeois political parties can even accept a defeat at the polls as long as they continue to control most of the mass media. The media, from the moment of such a defeat, work to win back the hearts and minds of those who made the “mistake” of electing a leftist head of government. That is the reason why visceral reactions, such as those we have seen in a number of countries, follow any measure taken by left governments to censure the media’s disinformation campaigns and efforts to incite violence, or to create legal instruments that protect the people’s right to receive accurate information. The powerful international media echo these reactions. For today’s political battles are not won with atomic bombs but with “media bombs.”

An example of these media bombs is the campaign to make people think that Venezuela is engaged in an arms race that threatens the region. Allusion to Venezuela’s recent weapons purchase from Russia buttresses the allegation. However, if CIA data are consulted, it is clear that the situation is completely different. Using these data, Belgian economist Eric Toussaint reports:

Venezuelan military spending is the sixth highest in the region behind that of Brazil, Argentina, Chile (a country with a much smaller population than Venezuela’s and considered to be a “model country”), Colombia, and Mexico. In relative terms, comparing military spending to GDP, the Venezuelan military budget is the ninth largest in Latin America. Have people been able to read this in the most important international papers? Absolutely not. What was reported in August 2009 is that Sweden had asked Venezuelan officials to respond to a Colombian allegation that Venezuela was supplying arms to the FARC, and that Sweden had in effect told Colombia that SAAB missiles found in a FARC camp had been supplied by Sweden to Venezuela. However, was anyone able to find an article reporting the detailed and concise reply given by Hugo Chávez? The missiles in question had been stolen from a Venezuelan port in 1995, four years before Chávez took over the presidency.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 06:26 PM
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1. Some of you might enjoy the comedic flights of fancy by far right-wngers in this Guardian article,
as well as the interesting article above. Not much of their villainy passes by Mr Chomsky unnoticed and undentified, does it?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/aug/31/venezuelans-desperate-change-hugo-chavez?showallcomments=true#end-of-comments
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VioletLake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 08:34 PM
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2. The foreword to the summer issue is also worth reading.
In the eyes of much of the world, the year 1989 has come to stand for the fall of the Berlin Wall, the demise of Soviet-type societies, and the defeat of twentieth-century socialism. However, 1989 for many others, particularly in Spanish-speaking countries, is also associated with the beginning of the Latin American revolt against neoliberal shock therapy and the emergence in the years that followed of a “socialism for the 21st century.” This revolutionary turning point in Latin American (and world) history is known as the Caracazo or Sacudón (heavy riot), which erupted in Caracas, Venezuela on February 27, 1989, and quickly became “by far the most massive and severely repressed riot in the history of Latin America.”2

The Caracazo started in the early morning in the suburb of Guarenas in response to a 100 percent increase in transport fares. These transport hikes were part of a set of neoliberal shock policies introduced by the government of President Carlos Andrés Pérez. The object was to put Venezuela back in good standing with the IMF and international financial institutions, obtain their assistance in the servicing of its foreign debt, and provide “fresh money” for the oligarchy to rely on—all on the backs of millions of poor people. Outraged by the doubling of transport fares, the Caracas demonstrators hurled stones at the buses and overturned them. Motorcycle couriers joined in the protests, going from one part of the city to the other and spreading the message. Riots also broke out that same morning in nineteen other cities across the country.

By late afternoon in Caracas, public transport had come to a standstill. Hundreds of thousands of people were walking home and buses were burning. The protestors began to loot shops and supermarkets in order to obtain basic needs—food and clothing. That night, in what came to be known as “the day the poor came down from the hills,” the impoverished barrio-dwellers, joined in some instances by the police, engaged in a campaign of massive looting, first in the commercial center of Caracas and then in the privileged residential districts of the wealthy. From the standpoint of the majority of the Venezuelan poor, the looting was an act of social justice and retribution, an attempt to take back a little of what had been taken from them for decades—as they watched the oligarchy become ever richer, while they struggled to get enough merely to survive. (President Peréz’s ostentatious inauguration, only a few weeks before the announcement of the austerity program, was reported as “one of the grandest celebrations Latin America has ever known,” with a total of ten thousand invited guests attending, consuming 650,000 hors d’oeuvres, 209 sides of lamb, and twenty sides of beef—washing it all down with twelve hundred bottles of scotch, accompanied by immense quantities of champagne.)

In response to the widespread riot, President Pérez imposed martial law and a nighttime curfew. This was followed by a brutal repression of the population. Soldiers entered the barrios with orders to “reestablish order.” One soldier recounted that they were ordered to “shoot anything that moved, and shoot to kill.” One citizen recalled that the soldiers “didn’t say raise your arms or anything. But everything that appeared, they killed.” Hundreds, even thousands, of people were killed, with numbers of the dead ranging from 396 to 10,000, and with many thousands more wounded. The brutality of the retaliation stripped away any illusions about Venezuela’s fake democracy, and set in motion the struggle for a new society. As Richard Gott stated, it “marked the beginning of the end of Venezuela’s ancien régime.”3

http://monthlyreview.org/100701foster.php
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bherrera Donating Member (600 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:00 AM
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3. Compare military spending in absolute terms
I do notice the data is skewed by using GDP. What is military spending in the last 5 years in absolute terms? Also, what is the nature of the threat one nation perceives, what are the disputes it has? For example, Colombia is engaged in a civil war, in which drug financed brigands are fighting the central government. Thus Colombia would be expected to devote more funds to its army.

Military spending on a per capita basis is also an interesting figure. In this case, Brazil, Mexico, and Colombia, which much larger populations, are expected to have more spending. The only odd figure emerges from Chile, which is a tiny country with a poor record, they invaded and took land from others in the past, and today have an army more powerful than it would be expected to be to defend these invaded territories.

Thus, put in this historical context, one can address the Venezuelan arms purchases. And this renders the issue a non-issue, really. Venezuela spends on weapons in a fairly normal fashion. However, the weapons purchases have an odd nature, because according to experts they are not really well spent. Which isn't surprising, because the Venezuelan government doesn't spend money well in almost any area. They are now famous for the purchase of millions of tonnes of foodstuffs they allowed to rot in their ports.

The reader may conclude the Venezuelan government spends on weapons as a means to keep its military happy, not because it really has any intent to do anything with those weapons. They will not work to defend Venezuela if the USA decides to attack them, and they can not be used effectively to intimidate their neighbours, because their neighbours would be defended by the USA, which again would mean a Venezuelan defeat. The purchases are intended to keep the military aligned with the government, as it evolves into a fascist like entity. Fascism is a political system which involves close alignment of government with its military and of course large corporate entities. This is the hallmark of this obscenity they define as 21st century socialism in Venezuela.
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VioletLake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:01 AM
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4. If not for the mandatory shit sandwich you serve with every post,
I would take you seriously. As it is, your posts serve to show how silly Chavez's critics can get.

My customary retort: if Chavez were a fascist, the King of Spain would be his #1 fan.
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bherrera Donating Member (600 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 11:38 AM
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5. Chavez is a fascist
You are not discussing the subject. Do you deny he is a militarist who has placed generals in important positions, and also has created alliances with multinational corporations, while attacking the native corporations and saying only those company owners who bow down to his mighty imperial power are to survive? This is what those of us who do read his speeches can understand, that he is merely a fascist disguised as a populist. And definitely not a true socialist.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 04:50 PM
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7. I hope you keep a handkerchief handy for that froth.
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 04:51 PM by EFerrari
:rofl:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 05:05 PM
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8. You have compared Chavez to Adolph Hitler and you've called investigative reporter Eva Golinger
"Goerring." Why should anyone take you seriously?

Your posts are instructive--I'll say that. They help us to understand the rightwing mind, and the mindboggling twists and turns of the anti-Chavez propaganda machine, which one day calls Chavez a "dictator" and the next accuses him of being unable to curtail "street crime" (some dictator!), or one day calls him a "communist" and the next a "fascist."

He's just a president--a quite popular one, elected and re-elected by big majorities. He is neither a devil nor a saint. And the real story in Latin America is not him at all--nor any one political figure--but rather the PEOPLE of Latin America, who are, at long last, electing their own chosen leaders and conducting their own affairs in the interest of the majority--in Venezuela, in Bolivia, in Ecuador, in Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay, Uruguay, Nicaragua, Guatemala. This is why rightwing propagandists dwell on Chavez so much--trying to make a "bogeyman" out of him. They can't stand DEMOCRACY.

This is what your posts reveal--the nature of the rightwing mind, which does not have facts and reality as the basis for its views but has to resort to name-calling and "fear button-pushing" to force its views on others.

There were people like you, here in the U.S., who venomously hated FDR and called him every imaginable dirty name, including "dictator," but what they really hated was democracy itself. They hated that the poor had been able to elect a leader who strongly represented their interests. And they projected all that venom at FDR. It's sad and dismaying to read your posts--because they are so useless as to thoughtful discussion--but, in addition to educating us about the rightwing anti-Chavez mind, they also point to one of the reasons for Chavez's popularity, that is, the lunacy of the rightwing, who will doing anything--such as the attempted coup d'etat of 2002--or say anything--'Chavez is a dictator,' Chavez is incompetent,' "Chavez is a communist,' 'Chavez is a fascist' --to regain power over Venezuela's oil and over the poor majority. And it's quite interesting that so many anti-Chavez posters come here to DU, to try to convince liberal Democrats in the USA, that Chavez is bad. Would this be to bolster rightwing forces here to interfere in Venezuela, again? To accomplish what the rightwing in Venezuela cannot accomplish for itself, because democracy has become too strong in Venezuela? I'm sure wondering about that--why there are so many Chavez haters, and so many Chavez "bogeyman" creators, here at DU, displaying their lack of facts and twisted, incoherent opinions.

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VioletLake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 05:56 PM
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10. Don't know if you caught this...
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VioletLake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 05:31 PM
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9. The subject is Marta Harnecker's essay in Monthly Review.
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 05:32 PM by VioletLake
So far, you agree with her that the issue of Venezuela's weapons purchases is a non-issue. Except of course when it can be used against Chavez.

If you want to discuss whether or not Chavez is a fascist, you are welcome to start your own topic.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 04:49 PM
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6. LOL
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 06:01 PM
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11. Thanks for taking the time to post this, VioletLake.
Nice to see you over here in the Lat Am forum. :hi:

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VioletLake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 06:11 PM
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12. You're welcome, Billy Burnett.
Thanks for the warm welcome. :hi:
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