Ecuador: Attempted Coup or Not?

[VioletLake]

Just curious. Thanks.

[naaman fletcher]

1. to clarify,

the police might have been attempting something that could be described as a coup, but I think the real debate here is if this was a plot by the CIA/USAID in league with oligarchs.

[Bacchus39]

2. no-one was seeking to replace him so coup doesn't work for me although he

potentially could have been killed of course.

[EFerrari]

13. Lucio Gutierrez never accepted his defeat and promise to organize

a parallel government. The crowd of protestors was chanting his name outside the hospital and his lawyer led the break in at TV Ecuador. But you're right, he's nobody.

[Zorro]

3. Not this time

Next time might be the real deal, though.

Especially if he demonstrates similar "Here I am! Shoot me now!" histrionics.

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[Bacchus39]

5. let us know when you find evidence of US involvement or any opposition party

involvement and who was planning to replace Correa during this "coup". I've heard nothing more than accusations from this point. One blog post who names herself after a terrorist group, Macheteros, posted an unsubstantiated story that is not reliable.


even those who say this is a coup keep posting the same info, that the police in military revolted after the law was passed limiting their benefits. that doesn't mean it was not extremely irresponsible and criminal for police and military to act this way but I see no evidence of a political or popular movement to replace Correa.

you are among the ones who wants this to be a coup for some reason, so obviously you'll be able to back it up with evidence.

[VioletLake]

7. That is an unfair accusation.

"you are among the ones who wants this to be a coup for some reason"

A low blow, and it is not true.

[naaman fletcher]

8. What other explanation is there?

For people who keep insisting on US involvement with zero evidence?

[VioletLake]

10. Peace Patriot is not doing what you accuse her of,

and she does not deserve to have her intentions maligned like that any more than you do.

Around here, we can discuss whatever we like, for as long as we wish. I recommend avoiding a conversation if you don't like what people are talking about.

[EFerrari]

12. I'll malign his intentions. He posted a report from THURSDAY,

that was likely released when the president was still captive, as if it reflected the current thinking of the Correa government.

This happened during the Honduran coup as well. There was a small knot of posters here defending the coupsters while they also denied the coup.

lol

[Bacchus39]

9. read his post, she implicates the US as well. for what reason?? nt

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[VioletLake]

11. Common sense?

It's a supposition, and this is a conversation. We don't deserve to be insulted for talking about what we think and believe.

[naaman fletcher]

14. Really?

So it's an "all opinions are equal" sort of thing? Do other posters here subscribe to that point pf view? When bherrerA equated hitler to chavez and peace patriot trailed him around the board over that did you say "hey it's just what he thinks and believes?"


The real answer is that not all opinions are equal and that true debate and discussion relies on applying logic to facts and reason.

Assumming facts because they fit with preconceived notions deserves no respect to anyone who claims a belief in logic and reason.

[VioletLake]

15. Really. You are not the arbiter of which opinions warrant insults.

Insults are against DU rules, and against the rules of civil discourse.

[naaman fletcher]

16. ?

To be clear, which insult are you talking about? I don't remember making any lately.

[VioletLake]

17. I didn't say you insulted anyone.

See my post #7, which is what Bacchus39's post #9 referred to.

I answered him in post #11, and then you jumped in with post #14, where it seems that you're justifying Bacchus39's insult of Peace Patriot because, according to you, some opinions on DU are inferior, and because Peace Patriot dogged bherrera for a short while at the expense of her posts.

If you have facts, please share them. If you have an interesting opinion, please share it. But there is no room here for insults. Now, if something bothers you, speak up. Don't expect other people to do your complaining for you.

[naaman fletcher]

18. Yes

Some opinions are inferior to others. Yes. You believe that too I assume, don't you?

[VioletLake]

19. Like the opinion that Chavez is comparable to Hitler?

That is beside the point.

[naaman fletcher]

20. Yes nt

[Zorro]

21. Hey, I've stated that Chavez is the Venezuelan Mussolini

PP is welcome to dog me around the LatAm message boards.

[VioletLake]

22. Tell that to naaman fletcher. nt

[naaman fletcher]

23. Of course

Mussolini was a left wing hero right up to the day he declared war on France.

[VioletLake]

24. Then we left wingers will surely change our minds about Chavez

when he declares war on France. All you have to do is wait.

[naaman fletcher]

25. most of us,

admired his first few years and needed reforms, but have since grown weary of him.

[Downwinder]

26. In the pay of the UK.

[naaman fletcher]

27. not sure what point of that was..

yes, he was in the pay of the uk, but ultimately that did not keep him from choosing what he thought would be the winning side

[EFerrari]

6. The question of whether this was a coup or not is ridiculous on its face

and meant to distract from what just happened and from the ongoing situation.

Something else, Peace Patriot. I heard an analyst in Mexico remark that this was the era of the successful counter coups. And it led me to speculate that no counter coup was mounted in Honduras because there was still at the time the expectation that the new American administration would act in good faith.

In other words, if that same action were mounted today in Tegu, I don't think it would be successful because there is no longer the expectation that Obama will behave differently than all of his predecessors.