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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 08:44 PM
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The official narrative of the corporati: he brought it on himself.
Edited on Mon Oct-04-10 08:47 PM by EFerrari
Check out this pix and first graph at the LA Times:

What happened in Ecuador last week? On Thursday images ricocheted across the world of President Rafael Correa stumbling through a storm of tear gas and violent police officers, after he had stood at a window in a barracks and defiantly told them: "If you want to kill the president, here he is! Kill him, if you want to! Kill him if you are brave enough!" (Here's a short clip.)

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2010/10/ecuador-coup-attempt-correa-instability-calm.html
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 09:09 PM
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1. And strangely, the LA Times' and Carlos Montaner are on the same page.
Edited on Mon Oct-04-10 09:11 PM by EFerrari
CIA agent Carlos Alberto Montaner linked to coup plotter Lucio Gutiérrez

Jean-Guy Allard

A strange pair appeared on NTN 24, the right-wing Colombian television channel aligned to the Fox Broadcasting Company the U.S. A few hours after the coup attempt in Quito, Ecuador, CIA agent Carlos

Alberto Montaner, a fugitive from Cuban justice for acts of terrorism, joined with one of the leaders of the failed Ecuadorian coup, ex-Lieutenant Colonel Lucio Gutiérrez, to attack President Rafael Correa.

Montaner opened the show by denigrating the head of state with lies like this, "If they killed him (President Correa) right that moment (…) that would have started a blood bath in the country. Why did he do that? That kind of thing is not done. That is not presidential behavior—removing his tie and challenging police officers," he said.

Describing the head of state as a hot head and a "person who has a lot of difficulty controlling himself," Montaner —known precisely for these characteristics—accused him of having met with the rebelling police in order to provoke them. "He didn’t go there to find a consensus, or to talk, he went to defeat them," he charged.

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/ouramerica-i/4octubre-40show-tv.html
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 10:05 PM
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2. So much for Gutiérrez being in Brazil.
Edited on Mon Oct-04-10 10:16 PM by Downwinder

on edit

Colombia wouldn't be involved in a thing like that would they? Tell it to Ecuadorians.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 10:16 PM
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3. You're right. He blew his own alibi.
What an idiot.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 11:04 PM
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4. Ouch. Echos of the excuses about the democratically elected president of Honduras
Nothing like being literal about what he said. The LA Times: Well he SAID that they should KILL him what does he want huh? HE BROUGHT IT UPON HIMSELF. yeah.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 11:05 PM
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5. The way they write it, they have the events turned around.
I knew the media was going to do this and here it is. They say there was no coup AND that it was his fault, at the same time!
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:24 AM
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6. I keep wondering, each day, if the world is getting crazier or if it is just me.
I now know the world is not a creation of my imagination, I'm not that imaginative.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:32 AM
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8. Oh no! There were worse times ...
like the Middle Ages!
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:42 AM
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9. Thats true,at least now you don't have to have tasters at state dinners . . . .
no wait, wasn't there something about poisoning?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:50 PM
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15. I've been thinking about the Middle Ages lately, and how...
...the Roman Catholic Church acted like a world corporatocracy, with such pervasive control over thought itself, that people could not even perceive that they were being controlled. This monolithic, international organization, which purported to have the power to consign you to Hell, controlled kings and other landowners and acquired vast lands and wealth. They controlled armies. They controlled literacy and all the clerks (the bureaucrats, legal document writers, propagandists) in virtually every country in Europe. Nothing got declared or legally sealed without their eyes perusing it and their scribes penning the document. They even controlled and greatly limited copies of the Bible. It was the trans-national nature of this organization that made them so powerful. They had priests, bishops, monasteries and clerics everywhere. They required donations of land and wealth from the rich "to save their souls." They spoke and wrote in their own language amongst themselves--Latin--which almost no one else could understand. Almost everyone else was illiterate, and most people spoke local dialects (which became French, Spanish, English, etc.) It was thought control that was the most important--compelling people to believe utter absurdities about themselves and their own lives, about the world and physical reality, and about Church power--that to challenge Church power was to challenge God.

Fast-forward to today: Who has such power today? Power so pervasive that most people can't even see it. The transnational power to control governments and whole countries. The power to acquire vast, unearned properties and wealth, everywhere, and forever. The power to control thought--to convince people of utter absurdities (that banks should be deregulated, that "trickle down" will "trickle down" to you, that Iraq had WMDs, that Republicans want to "balance the budget," that Social Security is bad for you, etc.). The power to consign whole countries and populations to the Hell of unemployment and poverty, and IMF/World Bank debt, and privatized public services, and ravaged resources. The power of multinational corporations and war profiteers is not so visibly monolithic as that of the Church in the Middle Ages. The powermongers have become a bit cleverer in their secret 'Bilderberg' alliances but they are no less lethal in their impacts on the freedom, well-being, progress and self-rule of most of humanity. And their venue is much bigger.

They are even attacking education, through their "tea party"-ish (McCarthyite) tool groups and politicians. In Latin America, they HATE the new leftist leaders who are pouring oil profits into education. They fear an educated population (except for a small elite which serves them). They want people to again believe that the earth is flat. Uneducated people have no recourse but to be their slave labor--or the cannon fodder for their resource wars.

It's quite interesting that one of the regions in outright rebellion against the corporate rulers is the region that has been most influenced by the Catholic Church--Latin America. But, as the new leftist president of Paraguay, Fernando Lugo (a former bishop), said, in Oliver Stone's documentary, "South of the Border," liberation theology--the philosophy of the grass roots of the Catholic Church (not the prelates in Rome, who oppose it, but rather the ordinary priests, nuns and laypeople, who identify with the vast poor majority in Latin America)--has been a major factor in the leftist democracy revolution that is occurring there. The Vatican and most of the bishops are on the other side--the side of the fascist rich and their corporate colluders.

This may be why the Catholic Church suppressed a reading knowledge of the Bible for about a thousand years. It contains a revolutionary message AGAINST the acquisition of material wealth and power. "Love they neighbor" was not exactly the banner under which the Church warred against the freedom of the human mind for all that time. It was not the banner of the 'Holy' Crusades or the Inquisition. It is rather impossible to deny that that was Jesus' entire philosophy--"Love they neighbor" if you can actually read the New Testament. And the liberation theologians have obviously read it and taken it seriously. They have suffered death, torture and repression (including repression by the Vatican) as a result. But their thought is now ascendant and spread over a whole continent. Leftist democracy is the future of Latin America--fueled by this OTHER strain of thought that ran through Christianity under ground, often viciously suppressed, from the beginning: taking "Love they neighbor" seriously.

And perhaps this is why the corporatocracy is so avid to slander Christians by funding rightwing 'christian' nutballs and even installing them in the White house, and giving them a Big Trumpet in the corporate media to promulgate their nutball rightwing views, way, way out of proportion to their numbers.

You have to love a continent that has resisted and rejected corpo-fascist media lies, disinformation and thought control. The corporate media in Latin America is as bad, and often worse, than our own. You think we suffer "Alice in Wonderland" nutball media. There, the corporate media actively calls for coups and actively participates in coup attempts, along with non-stop, 24/7, vicious slander and lies against leftist leaders. The people ignore it and just keep electing and re-electing leftists--in Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Uruguay, Paraguay, Nicaragua, El Salvador and other countries. What they have that we don't have any more is TRANSPARENT vote counting. But that's another story. They also have leaders who take Christianity seriously--unlike, say, George Bush, who paraded as a 'christian' and slaughtered a hundred thousand innocent people to steal their oil; or any number of pontificators in the Senate, the House and around our land, who arrange photo ops of their church attendance, and then collude on war, on torture and on massive theft against the poor, here and abroad, for the profit of the rich. These new Latin American leftist leaders believe in bootstrapping the poor, sharing the wealth and caring for the weak--the sick, the elderly, the poorest of the poor, the children. Taking this, the singular message of the New Testament, seriously, is their greatest "crime." They have overcome both the powermongers of the Medieval Catholic Church and the powermongering Corporatorcacy that plagues us all today. That is pretty amazing. And it is no wonder that the Corporatocracy is scared pissless by this development, and sicks its media dogs on these leaders and their people, to relentlessly slander them, on the one hand, and completely fail to provide any real news about them, on the other.

Think 1209 A.D., the Albigensian Crusade.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 03:18 PM
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19. Wonderful remarks, thanks for the history, too. Never heard of the Albigensian Crusade.
Going back to read the link to help lock it in.

Truly appreciate the effort and care you put into your writing.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:46 AM
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10. None of us are, that's why we need newspapers.
:)
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:52 AM
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11. I wondered where the SciFi authors had gone.
Edited on Tue Oct-05-10 12:54 AM by Downwinder
I'll go back to P.K. Dick. He is more real.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:43 AM
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12. Nice work if you can get it! That's representative of all right-wing thinking.
Some people would be deeply embarrassed being seen as being that stupid, but they always toss it off.

Remarkable.
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:27 AM
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7. So where were Montaner and Lucio G.


when the NTN 24 interviews were conducted just hours after the coup/assassination attempt?

The rightwing TV station is in Bogota, Montaner is usually in Miami and Lucio G. was reported to be in Brasilia.

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Globovision.com and Spanish news agency reported on Friday that Lucio G. was in Brazil and that he would return to Quito on Oct. 6.

"Correa actúa totalmente influido por Chávez", "no hace nada sin consultarle" y "convirtió a Ecuador en una franquicia de Venezuela", denunció el ex presidente, quien tiene previsto regresar a Quito el próximo 6 de octubre, tras actuar como observador en las elecciones que se celebrarán en Brasil el próximo domingo.

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Still a lot of loose ends.


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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 10:39 AM
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13. Correa approval jumps from 65% (pre-coup) to 75% (post-coup).
Here's my OP on it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x42794

Here are the sources:
10/4/10:
http://www.incakolanews.blogspot.com/
http://www.jurgenschuldt.com/2010/10/como-andan-las-cosas-por-el-ecuador.html

This L.A. Times article (above) is a great example of the "tornado spin" I was talking about in my thread on this poll. Here it is (the "tornado" itself):

"The rebel police who roughed up their president in Quito on Thursday were protesting Correa-backed austerity measures that would have seen their benefits substantially curtailed. In recent months, Correa had also threatened to dissolve Congress and rule by decree because of persistent deadlock on his proposed reforms. Ecuador is severely strapped for cash, and has defaulted in $3.2 billion in global bonds." --the Los Angeles Slimes (my emphasis)

You see how they sweep irrelevant detritus into the swirl? Correa has a SEVENTY-FIVE PERCENT approval rating, and had an awesome 65% approval rating BEFORE the coup attempt.

So, um, if the IMF default or government cash are a problem, you wouldn't know it by the PEOPLE OF ECUADOR who hugely approve of whatever it is that Rafael Correa is doing!

This article is SO-O-O-O BAD, in so many ways. I just wanted to point out this one: The "tornado" (i.e., piling on) effect (used in movies and novels to raise the viewer's or reader's blood pressure--not just a car chase but a car chase amidst highrises falling in a terrorist attack; not just a murderer but a pschopathic-all powerful serial killer). Ecuador's IMF default has NOTHING TO DO with the disorder in Ecuador. In fact, Correa had DOUBLED police salaries. So much for Ecuador being "severely strapped for cash"! As for the IMF loan sharks, Ecuador greatly benefited from Correa's righteous default on USURY.

These things are thrown in to make it SEEM like Correa is unpopular or messing up in some major way. But they don't tell you that he had a SIXTY-FIVE PERCENT approval rating, and they won't tell you, now, that he has a 75% approval rating. No, what they tell you is this: "The president, his profile raised considerably with those dramatic images from Thursday, may attempt to use the police revolt as a political weapon to help consolidate power." --Los Angeles Slimes (my emphasis)

The people of Ecuador MEAN NOTHING. Their 75% approval rating (which these Slimes don't tell you) means nothing. It is CORREA who is USING the rightwing coup attempt (um, "not a coup attempt") to "consolidate" HIS "power."

Everything THEY have piled on to this event, in the tornado they are attempting to swirl around Correa--dissolving Congress (it's his right--it's the law), fighting Congress over reforms (normal politics), economic problems (everybody's got 'em, from the Bushwhack/Wall Street-induced Depression), anti-neoliberal default on unfair debt conditions (campaign promise), "consolidating" his power (um, 75% approval rating)--is falsely portrayed as CAUSING a police rebellion that was obviously a planned destabilization coup with murderous intent.

Swirl, swirl. The 'tornado' gathers it all up and presents you with this utterly false picture of a leftist president who is "in trouble" and/or will soon become a "dictator."
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 11:49 AM
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14. "The people of Ecuador mean nothing' -- EXACTLY.
You put it very well, Peace Patriot. That is the attitude of the whore media. And more, the Latin American PRESS means nothing to them either because they rigorously ignored facts that appeared there.

It's so transparently manipulative.
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bherrera Donating Member (600 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 06:46 AM
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16. Corporati?
That's funny. So anybody who doesn't agree with you now is a corporati. Do you have any more insults to give? I saw Correa's move as a poorly handled way to work on a labor problem. It doesn't matter if later they tried to turn the police riot into a coup. The seed of the problem was the change in the law, and police unrest was caused by the labor issue. This was demonstrated when, after the fact, the Ecuadorian government gave the police a pay increase.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 06:52 AM
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17. Attempting to take the Congress seems like a "poorly handled" way to deal with a "labor problem" too
IMHO. What is interesting here, as in Venezuela in 2002, is how "poorly handled" the attempted coup was. If you are going to resort to violence to seize power, you need to know what you are doing. Dithering around always fails, one does better to do nothing than to mess it up like this. This will have consequences.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:47 AM
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18. Could you please explain to me how the Air Force got involved in a police riot?
Thanks.
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BolivarianHero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 05:52 PM
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20. Correa knew...
Edited on Wed Oct-06-10 05:52 PM by BolivarianHero
Correa dared them to because he knew the people were on the side of justice and democracy and that the backlash of such a brazenly undemocratic and treasonous action would have led to the traitor cops laying dead in the streets.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 07:15 PM
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21. When Correa said that, it was AFTER he had been assaulted
not before -- as the phrasing of the LA Times douchebags implies.

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bherrera Donating Member (600 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 07:25 AM
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22. Correa is an actor
That's so funny. You guys invent the most convoluted explanations for irrational and impulsive behavior. Correa made a mistake, he made it worse with his appearance in the window of the hospital. Now they got people dead, and on top he gave the police a salary increase, after he started the mess himself. He is a juvenile actor, incompetent in his handling of his own personal emotions.
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