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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 12:59 AM
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Mutinous police took over the Ecuadoran Congress building


This is heavy-duty information that just dribbled out today. During the coup attempt on Thursday it turns out that rogue police seized the National Cogress building and prevented any assembly member from leaving or anyone from entering.

This new information provides further proof that it was far more than a simple labor dispute (as some on this forum have claimed).

In related development, the Attorney General's office today issued orders to detain 58 persons who have been implicated. Included on the list are two top members of Lucio Gutierrez's political party.

Below computer-generated translation of the National Congress story published today.

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QUITO.- The president of the National Assembly, Fernando Cordero went today to the Attorney General's Office to request an investigation into the seizure of the headquarters facilities Legislature by police elements on 30 September.

Cordero gave Pesántez Washington, Attorney General, six DVD's, five of which contain eight hours of footage of what happened in the Assembly and a photo.

The police suppressed Assembly at the assembly failed to meet the high command, that is in images and audio. There is a scene where the policeman was in preventing the exit, while some people begin to defend the outside and scream for the President of the Republic, the police opened the door and out to persecute these people. There are facts that you'd better investigate, "said Cordero.

Pesántez, said that since last Thursday began the investigation and have a half-dozen previous investigations on the various events that were raised in several places.

He said that there is an injunction hanging over the head of the legislative escort, Col.. Rolando Tapia, "who was called to safeguard the physical integrity of the lawmakers so that we fulfill our constitutional and legal obligation, be assured that we will act with speed and objectivity."

He said that the documents are evidence of criminal responsibility to investigate facts and that no doubt that Ecuador will be "was an act of insubordination."

"We regret the events that were raised last week, we reaffirm our support for the constitutional and legal. 31 years to preserve democracy can not be broken, "said Pesantez.

For his part, Rolando Panchana, vice president of the National Assembly, said he witnessed the barbarity that was made that day.

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http://andes.info.ec/politica/cordero-solicita-a-la-fiscalia-investigacion-por-toma-de-la-asamblea-32334.html


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 04:45 AM
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1. It's either that corporate media writers don't bother to do ANY research, and simply don't know
what the heck is happening in their areas, or they DO know and have no intention of allowing that knowledge to be published.

I think it's the latter, of course! Sometimes they simply write lies to mislead, to misdirect people away from the truth, to lead them to believe they know everything there is on the subject, so they won't feel any continuing interest and start looking for themselves.

This is a very HUGE story, and admtting it happened changes the dynamics of the cover story they've been pushing on this real coup attempt, which the nazi corporate/military control-loving bottom feeders have been denying.

If a real investigation is going to go through, if the opposition can't control the direction the investigation takes, the findings are going to be unbelievably useful.

Thank you, rabs. Very glad to get this news we will NEVER see in our own winger media.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:56 AM
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7. It has to be purposeful because it's too consistent.
That BBC report I wrote about that night -- the reporter on the ground, the only one who was an Ecuadoran so we know he speaks excellent Spanish, mentioned nothing, nada, nadita, about the attacks on the media. About reporters being attacked or about the break-in at TV Ecuador. How is it that these attacks were in the Latin American press but not reported by the BBC? The other reporter on the ground who was a Brit, iirc, he also said nothing about these attacks on the media.

Why is that?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 02:47 PM
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8. How would he NOT know? Wow. Sounds as if BBC is choosing what news they'll report, for sure.
It's an odd day when you'd cover up something as extreme as the police/military acts against some media targets.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 05:02 AM
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2. Ecuador: Soldiers Replace Police as Security Detail for Congress
Ecuador: Soldiers Replace Police as Security Detail for Congress
By REUTERS
Published: October 5, 2010

At the request of Congress, soldiers on Tuesday replaced the police who usually provide its security, after a deadly revolt last week by some police officers over changes to their bonus and promotion system. During the revolt, the police held President Rafael Correa in a hospital for hours until he was rescued by army commandos. Mr. Correa, a fiery leftist allied with the Venezuelan president, Hugo Chávez, called the incident a coup attempt. Congress asked the military to handle its security for as long as a state of alert decreed by Mr. Correa was in effect. The decree was extended to Friday from midnight Tuesday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/06/world/americas/06briefs-ECUADOR.html?_r=1&ref=world

Could they possibly give write LESS information about the subject? What a crappy imitation of journalism!
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 05:25 AM
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3. At least they didn't ignore it completely.
But the NYT can't print blank pages, bad for business.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 06:38 AM
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4. Those "fiery leftists" are everywhere these days. nt
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 02:52 PM
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9. True enough. Not like the Venezuelan tv stations, which ran old reruns of old movies during the coup
protests, when they were trying to black out any word the people of Venezuela's president had NOT resigned, and people were pouring into the streets to go to Miraflores to protest the kidnapping of their President.

The New York Times has to think of its high reputation! It would take a powerful time machine to go back far enough to remember the days when they actually were respectable! It's definitely a case of a journalistic wolf hiding in sheep's clothing.
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 03:10 PM
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11. Speaking of blank pages



O Estado de Sao Paulo, considered Brazil's most influencial newspaper, was opposed to the military dictatorship in the 1970s.

The military installed censors in the newsroom and would blacklist entire columns and news stories.

So the editors began leaving blank the spaces where the columns and news stories would have been published.

At first everyone knew what was happening except for the censors. Then they caught on and ordered O Estado to fill the blank spaces with something.

So Estado began publishing recipes for food and classical Brazilian poetry in those spaces. It was hilarious.

Once the military puppet president of Uruguay, Juan Maria Bordaberry, made a state visit to Brasilia. For some reason the frontpage story running down the right column was censored.

So O Estado published a large headline that said:

PIE A LA BORDABERRY

and proceeded to publish a recipe for a pie of some sort in the space.












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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 04:14 PM
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12. Fantastic! The spirit of the people lived throughout! Almost brings tears, for sure, to one's eyes.
That is priceless.

I will remember it. Thank you.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 06:59 AM
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5. It's becoming quite evident that the rightwing "talking point" that this WASN'T a coup attempt,
echoed throughout the corpo-fascist 'news' media, is part of the coup attempt. They had their "talking point" all ready for the shill press to disseminate, in case of failure, to provide cover for the coup planners.

I don't remember where I got it, but I knew the police had shut down the legislature. It was one of the things--along with others, like the shutdown of three airports--that indicated, early on, that this was an organized, pre-planned coup attempt, not just a police "bonuses" protest that got out of hand.

Airports assaulted and shut down, roads blockaded, barracks takeovers, and police rioting in three cities, legislature assaulted and shut down in Quito, all on the same day, and then a police assault on a hospital (a hospital!) where the wounded president of the country was being treated, and not just an assault but a siege with police snipers on buildings and police open firing on the hospital--while loyal police tried to defend it--and shooting at the president's car and other accompanying cars (killing one of his guards), when the military finally broke through the police attack on the hospital to rescue the president.

The riot in which President Correa was caught, earlier in the day, looked just like that--a riot. Except for the couple of calm operatives in the crowd, who were watching Correa in the midst of that melee, clearly looking for opportunities to move in on him and harm him--the two that I could see in the vid tried to tear off his tear gas mask but had to reach over his body guards to do so, and couldn't get close enough for serious harm (a shooting or knifing?), and maybe the third one, reported to have hit Correa's knee (the one he'd just had surgery on) with a rifle butt--this event seemed spontaneous. The police were protesting loss of their bonus system (though Correa had doubled their salaries); Correa went to talk to those protesting at the barracks in Quito; they wouldn't talk to him and they rioted. But you simply don't shut down airports, blockade roads, etc., in the country's major cities, shut down the National Assembly, and everything else they did, simultaneously, without pre-planning and a command structure in place giving orders.

Later, we heard that someone was giving commands on police radios--"Kill Correa! Get Correa!" There is some indication that, when the military didn't join the coup, the goal of the coup changed from destabilization and shutting down the government, to assassination--and that, too, required command. Who changed the goal? Who ordered the assault on the hospital? It's hard to believe that ordinary policemen, uncommanded, would have done that--laid siege to a hospital, all night, to get at a wounded man and kill him. That just doesn't make any sense at all. After rioting, they would go get drunk at a bar, right? Or go home? They wouldn't form into an "army" and besiege a hospital--over bonuses!

It's interesting that, when Correa first tried to talk to the police at the Quito barracks, he asked them, had any of them read the legislative bill that changed the bonus system? Correa said that none of them had read it. This points to a disinformation campaign prior to the riot--somebody playing upon their ignorance of the bill and stirring them up. Considered by itself, this could "merely" have been senior officers who were used to a corrupt patronage system working up anger and resentment among the troops. But combined with the other events, it now looks like a quite deliberate "psyop" aimed at creating a riot that would be the trigger for these other treasonous acts, not to change the reform bill but to topple the government.

Police laying siege to a hospital and shooting at and trying to kill the president, and simultaneously blocking the entry and exit of legislators to the National Assembly, IS a coup! --apart from everything else they did. The only question is WHO plotted and commanded it? And that's where the "talking point" denying that it was a coup attempt comes in. It is cover for the coup plotters--with the utterly disgraceful worldwide corporate media establishment aiding and abetting.

What would have happened if they HAD killed the president? Succession of the executive would be the next issue, as to government continuity. And the police were controlling the legislature! I'm not sure how succession works in Ecuador, but if there is a vice president, and he or she tried to take command and was prevented from doing so by the treasonous police, then the National Assembly would likely be the next line of defense of the legitimate government. And they had that covered, too. A riot about "bonuses" is one thing. A focused effort to kill the president--a siege!--and surrounding and controlling the legislature is quite another.

Preventing the entry and exit of elected legislators has a long history in common law. And there is a reason that free access of our senators and congresspeople to their Senate and House chambers is enshrined in the U.S. Constitution. NO ONE--not the president, not the police, not the courts--can stop or detain a senator or congressperson in the course of doing the public's business. The arrest of members of parliament was a favorite tactic of monarchs in England and other countries before the concept of "equal branches of government" was firmly established. Our Founders knew this history well, and specifically prohibited this kind of interference with the legislative branch. I haven't read the Ecuadoran Constitution (except the part that gives Mother Nature--'Pachamama'--her right to exist and prosper--the first such provision in the world), but I presume that it is modeled on most democratic constitutions and includes this protection of the legislators. It is, in any case, a plainly tyrannical act, in itself--quite apart from trying to kill the president--to detain legislators. And it more than likely means that a coup government was waiting in the wings.

One more thought on coups and definitions of coups: This matter came up during the rightwing coup d'etat in Honduras. The president of the U.S. is obliged, by law, to immediately suspend all financial aid and all diplomatic relations with any country in which a coup against the legitimate government has taken place. What occurred in June 2009 in Honduras was plainly, obviously, blatantly a coup d'etat against the legitimate government. The military shot up the president's house, dragged him out of bed, put him on a plane and flew him out of the country, at gunpoint (not incidentally stopping for refueling at the U.S. airbase in Honduras). But the Obama administration refused to designate this as a coup, and continued funneling money to these bastards, who were beating up, jailing, torturing, raping and killing Hondurans who had peacefully protested this assault on their democracy. And the U.S. ultimately funded and organized a so-called 'election' UNDER MARTIAL LAW that 'legitimized' the coup's choice for president.

The definition of a coup is an important issue--even when the scofflaw U.S. government ignores it. So this 'meme' going around the corpo-fascist press that trying to kill the president of Ecuador and shutting down the legislature is NOT a "coup attempt" smells of U.S. participation--at the least of the participation of Washington P.R. firms like those that spread "talking points" throughout the corpo-fascist press that the Honduran coup d'etat was not a coup-- Washington P.R. firms paid with our taxes, funneled to the coupsters through the USAID and other agencies. The same "talking points" all over the world. "It is not a coup." Who has that kind of power?

And what is the purpose of this "talking point" subsequent to a failed coup--if not to protect the real perpetrators?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:50 AM
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6. To protect the perps and to discredit Correa.
I had a brief exchange with Mark Weisbrot ahead of a little essay I'm working on and he said if the US had nothing to do with this, it would be the first time in sixty years and that would be a historic event. :)
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 03:04 PM
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10. You've nailed it. Far too complex, too organized to be anything else.
Found this photo only yesterday, although it was published October 1st, wanted to make sure it got aired, showing a very CANDID look at some people who weren't exactly comfortable with this event:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk.nyud.net:8090/i/pix/2010/10/01/article-1316641-0B6D3DE9000005DC-821_634x410.jpg

Violent clash: At least one security force member was wounded in the 35-minute operation,
and the government said at least one person was killed and six injured in clashes earlier in
the day outside the hospital.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1316641/Ecuador-President-Rafael-Correa-rescued-army-protesting-police.html?ito=feeds-newsxml#ixzz11bw23Jw6
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