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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 11:18 AM
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Colombia elected to U.N. Security Council



General Assembly voted today to grant Colombia one of five non-permanent seats that were up for a vote. (SC has total of 10 non-permanent seats.)

Vote was 186-0 with five abstentions, including Bolivia. Venezuela vote in favor of Colombia.

There is sure to be controversy in coming days, given Colombia's ugly recent past.

The vote was ramrodded by Amb. Claudia Blum, an uribista who was president of the Colombian Senate until uribe sent her to the United Nations four or five years ago.





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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 11:38 AM
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1. Disgusting. n/t
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 12:04 PM
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4. The buzz in Bogota saying Georgetown has dumped uribe


First learned of this last week but have seen nothing to confirm it. Georgetown said to have quietly dropped him because of the adverse publicity having him as a "distinguished scholar."

-- uribe gave two lectures.
-- both were protested, with promises that the protests would grow.
-- 155 academics from around the United States sent a letter to GT president in protest.
-- last week an angry JuanMa Santos called the U.S. academics "puedo-intellectuals."
-- since the two lectures, uribe has been in Madrid, Guatemala and is now back in Bogota.
-- comments in Colombian stories mention that GT has dropped him.

So, :shrug:




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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 12:36 PM
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6. Good! That little weasel's only lectures should be to his fellow inmates. n/t
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 02:39 PM
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12. Wow! Too cool. Now there's some righteous news! Back in Bogota.
That had never been his plan.

How seldom does a grievous insult/mistake ever get corrected.

No doubt he'll take it well.

Please, if you hear anything more, post it here, if you think of it.

How stupid was it, anyway, when he was trying to force his students to vow to never discuss what he said in class with anyone! (Secret knowledge????? How odd is that? Maybe it concerned where some of the bodies are hidden.) Real bad idea. Congratulations to the genius at Georgetown who did agreed to allow this appointment.

http://i.ehow.com.nyud.net:8090/images/a05/7e/pj/imbecile-200X200.jpg
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 01:57 PM
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9. Yes
Disgusting that Venezuela voted in favor. Chavez is scum, right?
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 11:44 AM
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2. 186-0 doesn't sound like much controversy n/t
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 11:53 AM
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3. How many other countries with stints on the S.C. have had such close connections with death squads?
Things get crazier every day.

This should be one for Guinness records: Most Preposterous Candidate for a U.N. Security Council Post in History!

I wonder if I should look up the military dictators in Argentina, or Brazil, or Pinochet's Chile to see if they served on the S.C. or not. Is it possible Stroessner could have sent Mengele to the UN as an ambassador?

You never can be sure.

No abstentions, yet! Guess they (voting members) know by now the success level of Colombian sicarios in finding a target no matter where he/she thinks he/she is successfully hiding, even with new identities.

http://cache.daylife.com.nyud.net:8090/imageserve/0dB24Dq7jXaJo/610x.jpg

http://www.csmonitor.com.nyud.net:8090/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/0808-santos/8446496-1-eng-US/0808-SANTOS_full_600.jpg
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 12:37 PM
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7. And the seond largest number of internally displaced persons in the world.
:puke:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 12:48 PM
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8. Amazing how well our corporate media has kept that dirty secret, EFerrari!
That would be pretty damned hard in a conscious world.
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 01:59 PM
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10. it's damning
to all those countries like Venezuela that supported this.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 12:09 PM
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5. 6th time on SC for Colombia
Colombia has been elected as a non-permanent member of the United Nations Security Council.

With 186 votes on the first ballot, Colombian joined the U.N. body for the 2011-2012 term representing Latin American and the Caribbean.

Colombia's ambition to sit on the Security Council for the sixth time in the country's history was opposed by Bolivia, which said that Colombia's presence on the Security Council would expand the power of the United States, a permanent member of the council. Bolivia was one of five countries that abstained from voting. Venezuela voted in favor of Colombia earning the seat.

The Security Council has five permanent members (Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States) who can veto any resolution, and ten non-permanent members. Five of these rotating seats are changed each year. Colombia succeeds Mexico and joins Brazil representing Latin American and the Caribbean.

Germany, India and South Africa were also elected as non-permanent members to the council. The final open seat will go to either Canada or Portugal.

http://www.colombiareports.com/colombia-news/news/12326-colombia-elected-to-un-security-council.html
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 02:22 PM
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11. Five new countries elected to two-year terms on UN Security Council
Five new countries elected to two-year terms on UN Security Council

12 October 2010 – The United Nations General Assembly today elected Colombia, Germany, India, Portugal and South Africa to serve on the Security Council for two-year terms, beginning 1 January 2011.

They will replace Austria, Japan, Mexico, Turkey and Uganda, whose two-year terms come to an end on 31 December.

To be elected to the Council, candidate countries need a two-thirds majority of ballots of Member States that are present and voting in the 192-member Assembly. The seats are allocated on the basis of geographical groupings.

Colombia, India and South Africa ran unopposed and were elected to represent their respective regions, having received 186 votes, 187 votes and 182 votes, respectively, in the first round of balloting.

More:
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=36413&Cr=security+council&Cr1=
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 06:36 PM
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13. Why Venezuela's vote in favor of Colombia?
Venezuela has its own foreign and neighbor relations to consider in making such foreign policy decisions.

For instance, outgoing Colombian president Alvaro Uribe came close to declaring war on Venezuela, just before he left office, by accusing Venezuela of 'harboring' FARC guerrillas and basically calling for an international invasion of Venezuela, without the consent of Venezuela's government, to seek out FARC guerrillas in the border areas. Venezuela responded by cutting off diplomatic relations with Colombia, a preliminary to a state of war, and closing its borders. Some commentators thought war was imminent. Diplomats throughout the region went into action to try to calm things down. Argentina's former president, Nestor Kirchner, now president of UNASUR (the prototype South American "common market" structure) was notably visible in this effort, as was Brazil's president Lula da Silva. Luckily, Uribe was leaving (probably ousted by the CIA), is a notorious blowhard, had no credible evidence, and was likely just making payments on his continued CIA protection from prosecution for his many crimes.

The new Colombian president, former Defense Minister Manuel Santos, wanted to make peace and withdrew the accusations, probably because Venezuela is a major trading partner and the state of hostility that Uribe had created was really hurting business. I won't go into what I think the long term U.S./Colombia plan might be, re Venezuela, but, for the moment, peace prevails.

For Venezuela to abstain from Colombia's nomination to the Security Council would have been a risky affront in these circumstances, whatever Chavez and his government may think of human rights abuses in Colombia. The human rights abuses were the work of the Alvaro Uribe government, and, although Manuel Santos was Uribe's Defense Minister during several of those years, he has thus far not been implicated (whereas Uribe has been). Santos and the U.S. seem to want a "new day" in Colombia. Chavez is taking that at face value. It is his right and duty to judge such situations for himself. That is what a president does. The pros and cons of trade vs hostility. The pros and cons as to political conditions on the other side of the border. Hard-line diplomacy vs a more friendly approach. Presidents make such judgments all the time, and have many factors to weigh in deciding how to proceed with a potentially hostile country with a history of human rights abuses.

Venezuela shares a long border with Colombia--a border over which about a quarter of a million poor Colombians have fled, into Venezuela for refuge, mostly from the Colombian military and its closely tied rightwing paramilitary death squads. On the other side of this Venezuela/Colombia border is the U.S. military, using at least half a dozen military bases in Colombia. The Colombian military is building a military base--probably with U.S. money, likely for U.S. military use--overlooking the Gulf of Venezuela, only 20 miles from the Venezuelan border. (And, to the north, the U.S. military is using the Dutch Antilles, right off Venezuela's oil coast, to spy on Venezuela, and has furthermore reconstituted the US 4th Fleet in the Caribbean.) The border is a constant headache for the Venezuelan government. It is unstable border, over which the forces fighting Colombia's 70-year civil war--both the Colombian military and its paramilitary death squads, and the FARC guerrillas--sometimes stray, and it is also a drug traffic route, and a route for other contraband as well (for instance, cheap oil stolen in Venezuela and re-sold at a profit in Colombia). The Colombian refugees constitute a humanitarian crisis--tens of thousands of people in need of food, housing, health care, schools for children, jobs. And, finally, the border is a major conveyor of legal trade.

But whatever the problems on this border--which runs the whole length of both countries--it is in neither country's interest to have a closed border. Chavez could not keep it open, with the threat that the Colombia military might invade Venezuela, in a fake or real pursuit of FARC guerrillas (with the U.S. military in its wake?). That is exactly what happened to Ecuador (very probably with U.S. military participation) back in 2008. So the threat was real--based on recent precedent. This near state of war needed to be relieved, for everyone's sakes, including both the Colombian and Venezuelan economies.

Venezuelans and Colombians have a lot of history together. Chavez refers to Colombians as "brothers and sisters," and appealed to this fraternal history, and to common cause against the "yanqis," in trying to deal with Uribe (--a treacherous little Bush Jr. clone--but probably smarter than Bush--who figured that the Bush Cartel would "make" him, which appears to have happened). There is no inherent hostility between Colombians and Venezuelans. Recent hostility is mostly an artifice of the U.S. government in its "divide and conquer" strategy in Latin America. Pulling the other way, toward Latin America unity, Chavez is in complete accord with other leaders in the region, such as Lula da Silva and Nestor Kirchner. They believe that it is in everyone's interest, including Colombia's, to move toward a common market and a European Union-type structure, to create collective strength in dealing with the bully power of the North. Colombia is in that bully power's thrall (its fascist elite is supported by US military aid), so it gets pulled both ways, but is mostly responsive to U.S. dictates. One way for the rest of South America to deal with this is to make it worthwhile to Colombia to partner with Latin American countries. That has been Chavez's strategy for a long while, and it is his strategy now. He tried it with Uribe without success. Santos seems more amenable. Personally, I don't trust Santos. Chavez probably doesn't either--but the stakes are high--the future of Latin America as an independent economic block.

There may be some immediate reason that we can't see, behind Venezuela's accord with Colombia's SC seat--some deal that was made at the Chavez/Santos peace agreement meeting. But the long term reasons are all of the above. Chavez wants to avoid a U.S.-instigated war with Colombia as its proxy. He wants peace. He and many other Latin American leaders have common goals, that Chavez is pursuing with regard to Colombia.

Why Bolivia abstained, and Venezuela didn't, I'm not sure. They are usually in accord. Perhaps it is merely the fact that Bolivia DOESN'T have a border with Colombia, and maintaining peace along that border was the crucial factor in Chavez's decision. Thus, Bolivia felt free to express the disgust of the region with human rights abuses in Colombia and its client status with the U.S. Rather surprisingly, Colombia, under Uribe, supported Evo Morales in an unanimous UNASUR resolution and action regarding the U.S.-backed attempted overthrow back in Sept. 2008, and I think Santos was Colombia's rep to UNASUR at the time (not sure). Colombia, under Santos, was also quick to close its border with Ecuador during the recent coup attempt there, and to express strong support for Rafael Correa. Santos seems to be trying to work in accord with other leaders, at least for now. I simply don't know if there was some immediate cause behind Bolivia's abstention. Perhaps Evo Morales just couldn't stomach the carnage in Colombia, weighted his own factors, and decided to be the voice for human rights. It would surprise me A LOT if Chavez, Morales, Lula, Kirchner and others did not consult on this vote--and perhaps there was an agreement, i.e., Chavez must keep the peace; Morales can speak for human rights.

Does anyone know how Ecuador voted? (--also has a dicey border with Colombia, and is a U.S. target). Presumably they did not abstain--nor anyone else but Morales/Bolivia. I'm thinking that this was an agreed upon strategy having to do with Colombia/Venezuela peace agreement.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 06:53 PM
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14. More info on the Colombia/Venezuela peace accord...
I'm quoting this "Creative Commons"-licensed article in its entirety because every point in it is relevant to this discussion. ("Creative Commons" license means that you can quote it all with proper attribution.)

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Colombian-Venezuelan Integration Furthered after July Break in Ties

By TAMARA PEARSON - VENEZUELANALYSIS.COM - 10/8/10


Colombia-Venezuela Relations

Mérida, October 8th 2010 (Venezuelanalysis.com) – Yesterday joint Colombia-Venezuela commissions as well as the foreign ministers from each country met in the border city of Cucuta, Colombia to renew and concretise agreements after Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and recently elected Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos renewed relations between the countries in August.

Venezuela ended diplomatic relations in July when the outgoing government of Colombia accused it of protecting guerrillas.

Venezuelan Foreign Minister Nicolas Maduro said that Venezuela and Colombia will carry out a plan of fuel supply for the border populations of both countries, and will create a new commission for this. They will also create a working team to promote the interchange of experiences between Venezuela’s state owned oil company PDVSA, and Colombia’s one, Ecopetrol, and study the possibility of the two state companies cooperating in a project on Venezuela’s Orinoco Oil Belt.

Maduro said they also discussed the proposal of the transoceanic gas pipeline, and the construction of a “poliduct”, which transports various types of hydrocarbons, such as petrol, crude oil, and gas, that would connect Venezuela with the Pacific Ocean. “It is a strategic project for both countries and for all of South America,” Maduro said.

The ministers and commissions also discussed the situation of electricity along the border, and Colombian foreign minister Maria Holguin said that the electricity supplies from Puerto Inirida, Colombia, to San Fernando in Amazonas state, Venezuela, will be ready in six months, if the Venezuelan government approves it.

Further, both governments agreed to construct a bridge on the border with Colombia and Tachira state, Venezuela. They will be carrying out investment studies on the project until December, then Holguin estimated that construction will begin in January next year and finish in 2012.

They also want to re-establish pedestrian crossings in two other border points, and to discuss an agreement that would regulate transportation of merchandise by road. A lot of informal trade between Venezuela and Colombia is conducted by land border crossings.

Maduro also announced that the Venezuelan government had approved a total of US$ 98 million in foreign currency for the payment of debt to Colombian companies.

The defence ministers of both countries, as well as coast guard and air force representatives, will meet on 20 October to re-launch the anti-narcotics cooperation agreement established between both nations in 1994. The presidents of both countries will evaluate and approve all the projects discussed.

We have decided to, “Begin a new path with a new productive and constructive agenda, based on respect and permanent communication,” Maduro said.

He said the two governments had a “good pace” working together on subjects that “generate trust”.

We are very committed to strengthening the integration of the two countries. Each country has huge strong points, if we work together we will be a great power,” said Holguin.

After Venezuela severed diplomatic ties in July, Santos was sworn in as the new president at the start of August, and Chavez and Santos met on 10 August to renew relations. They agreed to create five commissions that would advance bilateral relations between the two countries. Those commissions then met yesterday.


http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/5699
(my emphases)

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Considering that three months ago Colombia and Venezuela were almost at war, these meetings and projects resulting from the Chavez/Santos peace meeting in August, are of HUGE importance. To protect them and to proceed peacefully as neighbors is of far more importance to Latin America in general, and to these two countries and their peoples, than Venezuela scoring points against Colombia at the UN.
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