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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 04:27 PM
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Brazil's Green Party to remain neutral in run-off vote
17 October 2010 Last updated at 17:02 ET
Brazil's Green Party to remain neutral in run-off vote

The defeated Green Party candidate in Brazil's presidential election has said she will remain neutral before a second round run-off vote on 31 October.

Marina Silva, who won 19% of the vote in the first round, said this would allow the Greens to boost their support and advance the environmental agenda.

"We should place ourselves in a position as moderators," she explained.

Dilma Rousseff of the Workers' Party is narrowly ahead of the Social Democratic Party's Jose Serra in recent polls.

More:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11562247
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 04:39 PM
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1. I think this is probably good--from the Workers' Party perspective?
See this thread, posted by Meshuga, in which we have been discussing Brazilian politics...

Gay group releases letter to Dilma Rousseff and Jose Serra
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x43437

I've been trying to figure out--and get help on--how Marina Silva can have rightwing religious positions on women's rights and gay rights, and yet be considered 'leftist' on economics and a "green" on the environment. But it may be the case that the Green Party is DIVIDED on these matters--and that is why they are not endorsing in the main presidential contest (--a compromise between Marina Silva and those in the Green Party who disagree with her on some issues???). Marina may have been more inclined to endorse Serra (whom I would think she would be closer to, ideologically), and maybe a significant number of other Greens would want Rousseff--so they are not endorsing anyone, in order to prevent a split?

I'll run this by Meshuga.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:25 PM
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2. Serra expected to get support from the greens
Edited on Sun Oct-17-10 11:27 PM by Meshuga
And he was working hard for their endorsement right after the first round.

The worker's party viewed neutrality from the greens as a victory. And that is what happened. In other words, this is a victory for Dilma Rousseff.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:51 AM
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3. Thanks, Meshuga! nt
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:56 AM
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4. Meshuga, I just ran across this stats-heavy analysis of Lula/Rousseff's success in Brazil
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 10:58 AM by Peace Patriot
that is well worth reading. It gives lots of stats on the recent election (in which Rousseff achieved a run-off for president and is in the lead to win it, but in which OTHER offices were ALSO won by the Workers' Party, meaning that she will have a comfortable majority in both houses of the legislature--something Lula never had).

I didn't know about the down-ticket Workers' Party wins.

Brazil's Elections: Toward the Continuation of Lulismo
http://www.counterpunch.org/zibechi10142010.html

The author, Raul Zibechi, goes into a deep analysis of Lula's popularity (and thus Rousseff's), which has to do with turning workers into capitalists. Ha-ha! Not kidding. That's what he says. And it sounds plausible to me. For instance, turning workers into the administrators of their own pension funds, which have been hugely expanded and capitalized from within and without, mostly by petrodollars and petro-investors. He also gives stats on huge poverty reduction via welfare and raises in the minimum wage, and consequent huge movement from poverty to middle class. Ya got bucks? Spend them on the poor and on development/infrastructure that creates jobs, and your economy will go up and up and up, as with your popularity numbers!

FDR new this. Obama doesn't seem to. (What DO they teach at Harvard Law School? Don't they require some working knowledge of BASIC economics--as opposed to Reagan/Bush "voodoo" economics--to get a law degree? Or do they just teach how to "look forward not backward" on war crimes, and "backward not forward" on possession of marijuana?)

Anyway, VERY INTERESTING analysis. Reminds me of Germany (pre-Merkel). INCLUDE the workers in capitalism, and guess what? Everybody prospers!

But this analysis points to one hazard facing Brazil: That this sort of "New Deal" is only good so long as the capitalists keep their part of the bargain for creating and spreading the wealth. What do you do when they massively break faith, as they have done here? When they start looting pension funds, and seeing a quick buck from outsourcing all the jobs, and busting unions, and throwing the middle class out of their homes with mortgage fraud, and "privatizing" public services (even the voting machines, as here*) and so on? That's when you elect Chavez, I guess.

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*(Note: Beware, Brazil, on the voting machines! Diebold is now a factor in Brazil. They may play dead for a while, but they are acquiring PRIVATE power over the vote counting--as they have done entirely here. Look out!)
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 04:31 PM
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5. FDR
Just curious what you meant by "FDR knew this". Is Lula creating a pay as you go pension system? Or is he doing something more like what the Chicago Boys had Chile do?
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