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Derechos Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 10:13 AM
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Condoleezza Rice: send Palestinian refugees to South America
Palestine papers show US secretary of state told negotiators that Chile and Argentina could be asked to give land to displaced

The United States proposed giving Palestinian refugees land in South America as a radical solution to a problem that has haunted Middle East peace talks for decades.

Condoleezza Rice, the Bush administration's secretary of state, wanted to settle displaced Palestinians in Argentina and Chile as an alternative to letting them return to former homes in Israel and the occupied territories. Rice made the proposal in a June 2008 meeting with US, Israeli and Palestinian negotiators in Berlin, according to minutes of the encounter seen by the Guardian.

During a discussion about international funding to compensate refugees – an estimated 5 million Palestinians are scattered around the Middle East – the US diplomat made a startling suggestion.

"Maybe we will be able to find countries that can contribute in kind. Chile, Argentina, etc (ie, give land)."

The minutes, which are not verbatim, have the initials CR before the quote. Rice was the only participant with those initials.

The proposal seems based on the fact that Chile has a large Palestinian community dating back a century and, like Argentina, has large tracts of sparsely populated land.

It flew in the face of Palestinian insistence that the refugees have the right to return to their ancestral land – a demand Israel has resisted since its foundation in 1948. Carving out a new Palestinian homeland 8,000 miles away in the Andes could theoretically reduce pressure on Israel to return land.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/24/condoleezza-rice-palestinian-refugees-south-america
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 12:23 PM
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1. jeez, how nice of her.
/sarcasm.
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social_critic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 07:18 PM
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7. I think Palestinian refugees should go to Arkansas and Texas.
They need a breath of fresh air, and a little diversity. And since we're discussing displacing people from their homeland, the Israelis should allow an equivalent amount of refugees into Israel, from places where human rights are abused, such as Honduras, Myanmar, and Iraq.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 12:33 PM
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2. Tone deaf and narcissistic as always. nt
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 12:41 PM
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3. I remember when Rice was down South America way, breaking elbows and smashing kneecaps...
...to prevent Venezuela from taking its rightful turn on the UN Security Council. She somehow bludgeoned Chile's socialist president Michele Batchelet into abstaining, which killed Venezuela's chances, though they were clearly due for the seat, as these rotations go.

It was so scandalous that Chile's own ambassador to Venezuela (appointed by Batchelet) publicly objected (he got recalled). And I also remember thinking at the time that I hoped that Batchelet used her bargaining chip with the U.S. well, for her people. She later became damn good on some issues re U.S. gangsterism (for instance, Bolivia '08). So maybe she didn't get nuttin and this was her early lesson in dealing with Bush Junta thugs.

So how does Rice end up offering Chilean and Argentine land to remove Iraqi-Palestinian cells out of harm's way in Iraq?

Odd. Damned odd.

The other party would have been Nestor Kirchner, Argentina's adamantly independent leftist president (beloved in Argentina, now deceased; his wife Cristina Fernandez elected to succeed him--soon to become the subject of Hillary's psychological inquiries (Wikileaks)). I can't imagine either of the Kirchners bending over for Condi Rice or ceding one centimeter of Argentine soil to some CIA institute for Palestinians in Argentina.

The article goes on to say that about a hundred Palestinians "stranded" on the Syrian border while the U.S. was slaughtering a hundred thousand Iraqis got taken in by Chile (which already has a large Palestinian population--est 200,000--mostly wealthy Christians, according to the Guardian). Aside from why these hundred or so people were rescued amidst the general carnage, what they were doing on the Iraq border and why the Bush Junta gave a crap about them (one 'stray' U.S. "smart bomb," 'problem' solved), Chile has taken in other refugees, from time to time, in various situations, including the well-off Palestinians, so Rice possibly felt license to send more (or already had some kind of deal with Chile to take in "friendlies' in peril). The UN was involved in that event but I think we can be pretty sure that the Bush Junta arranged it.

But Argentina? Why would Kirchner, who had defied all other U.S. dictates, accommodate the Bushwhacks or these exceptional Palestinians who merited protection by the UN (the U.S.)? Was it just wishful thinking on Rice's part? Had Rice flown over all those "large tracts of sparsely populated land" in Argentina, on her various thuggish missions, and wondered if they had oil or aquifers, or thought of all those soon-to-be-homeless Bushwacks, hounded by the World Court, who might need a South American refuge? Where did she get the notion that Argentina would be compliant?

The article says that Brazil, Iceland and Romania had taken some Iraqi-Palestinians in as refugees. Why didn't Rice's mind leap to Brazil for No. 2 on her list? They have a lot more "sparsely populated land" than Argentina and had a leftist president who--though he was also defying U.S. dictates, was doing so more quietly at the time, and was making a biofuels deal with the Bushwhacks that has been blisteringly criticized by campesinos and environmentalists. Why Argentina?

Considering the Bush Junta's' various efforts to slander, demean, bully, destabilize and overthrow Argentina's leftist government, and what must have been their outright hatred of Nestor Kirchner, it may be that Argentina was just "on her mind." Maybe she was thinking about the old Kissinger days and all the fun that was had, torturing leftists in Argentina and throwing them out of airplanes.

Dunno. It's a puzzle. The Guardian article tries to explain it, but they really don't explain it very well in any respect, especially re Argentina.

Ah! I just scrolled up to who wrote this piece. Rory Carroll! Notorious exception at the Guardian for his lying, scumbag hit pieces on Latin America's leftist leaders!

Now I'm going to have to read the thing again and closely scrutinize it for CIA "talking points" and agendas.

NOT a trustworthy source.

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Derechos, when you post Guardian articles, PLEASE notice if they were written by Rory Carroll and disclose this info in your post. It is important info and would be a time-saver.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 03:14 PM
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4. Well, one correction, as a result of my 'CIA' review of the article...
The hundred-plus Iraq-Palestinians that went to Chile were the ones in that particular war zone (Bush invasion of Iraq). But this Rice memo was about Palestinians in Israel's walled prison zones--an unspecified number, but probably very big (thousands, tens of thousands? possibly up to 5 million, according to the article). Too hasty reading of the article. But I stand behind my questions, sarcasm and suspicions.

Why was Argentina no. 2 on Rice's list for large-scale displacement of what would surely be highly selected Palestinians and Palestinian communities? How on earth could she could have thought that Argentina would agree? Was she counting on the success of U.S. efforts to overthrow Kirchner, or was she planning to somehow bludgeon Argentina into accepting masses of poor, rebellions people including trouble-makers and CIA operatives as refugees, in order TO overthrow Kirchner? Or was she just idly thinking about all those "large tracts of sparsely populated land" in Argentina and how they could be useful to her corporate/war profiteer interests?

New question: Who is this very biased, anti-left writer, Rory Carroll, trying to shaft in this article, and why? Or, if it isn't aimed at, say, Condi Rice, or possibly at Cristina Fernandez (leftist president of Argentina), what current situation is Carroll trying to put his oar into? Also, who leaked the memo?

The entire article is based on a note with the initials "CR," "according to minutes of the encounter seen by the Guardian." I wouldn't put it past the writer to over-interpret scrawled initials or to fail to disclose that there was someone else in the talks with the same initials, but, presuming that he's telling the truth about this, his failure to give us any information at all about the source of the memo (so we could at least guess at possible leaker agendas), and given his past history of lies and propaganda about the Latin American left, I think it's fair to surmise that he's up to no good.

As to whose country Rice was thinking of sending the Palestinian diaspora to--a thought that ranks up there with Thomas Jefferson's notion of sending all the slaves back to Africa and giving them "their own country"--Brazil was a reasonable Ricean note, but Argentina is not. It is quite an oddity.

Bear in mind that this was June 2008, just after a U.S./Colombia bombing/raid on Ecuador, which almost started a war between the U.S./Colombia and Ecuador/Venezuela. Ecuador and Venezuela both have strong leftist governments. The U.S. had notoriously tried to overthrow the Chavez government in Venezuela, to no avail. U.S./Colombian spies and operatives had infiltrated the Ecuadoran military--likely in a plot of overthrow Rafael Correa's leftist government. The Bush Junta was desperately trying to stop regional and worldwide initiatives to end Colombia's 70 year civil war, and had just completed months of treachery to that end (concluding with the bombing/raid on the FARC guerrillas' peace negotiation camp just inside Ecuador's border). Much more U.S. treachery was soon to follow, with Bush pet, Alvaro Uribe, in Colombia, using concocted "evidence" to try to paint Chavez and Correa as "terrorist lovers."

And that was just early 2008--just before this Rice memo. That summer, the Bush Junta reconstituted the U.S. 4th Fleet in the Caribbean--a plain threat to Venezuela and its oil, and with Brazil's president saying it was a threat to Brazil's oil as well. Brazil proposed a "common defense" within the context of UNASUR, a new EU-prototype, all-South America (no U.S.) organization, formalized that summer. In the fall--as the Bush Junta did their final massive looting with the Wall Street/bankster crash, et al--the U.S. embassy in Bolivia was funding/organizing a violent white separatist insurrection against the popular Evo Morales and his leftist government. UNASUR went into action and played an important part in defeating that coup attempt.

And through all of this, one thing that particularly stands out is the new unity among South American leaders in opposition to U.S. interference, bullying and aggression. They were even formalizing a new organization to fend it off. And the other thing that was clear then, and is still clear, is that, except for democracy and honest elections in the USA, there is nothing that our U.S. corporate rulers and war profiteers fear more than democracy in Latin America and their unity of purpose on social justice and regional independence. It is the closest source of huge oil reserves for the U.S. war machine, and other important resources, the closest source of masses of slave labor for U.S.-based and allied multinational corporations, and it has traditionally been supine and vastly exploitable.

Argentina has been perhaps the key player in this historic movement--although it's difficult to choose. Chavez was the pioneer. Lula da Silva became a critically important player at key moments (and still is). Evo Morales has been a great moral force. Michele Batchelet played a vital role in stopping the U.S.-instigated coup against Morales. And it is important to recognize that multilateral cooperation is a method and goal of this movement, so there are many important players, including millions of grass roots activists.

But Nestor Kirchner's defiance of U.S./IMF-World Bank bludgeoning and his alliance with Chavez is probably the founding moment of this regional movement, or, the moment that its success became realizable. When the Bush Junta sent down its dictate that Latin American leaders must "isolate Chavez," Kirchner replied, "But he's my brother!"

That is the heart and soul of Latin American independence from the U.S. And the Bush Junta likely hated Kirchner for it more than they hated Chavez. Kirchner died not long ago, but his wife is equally passionate about this amazing, historic movement.

And Rice wanted to dump tens of thousands of poor, alienated, angry, rebellious, oppressed Palestinians into "large tracts of sparsely populated land" in Argentina? You gotta wonder about this women's seething brain. But even more, you gotta wonder about all the dirty rotten schemes that she was conversant with, already accomplished or to come, in Latin America and other places.

That's the background for the word "Argentina" in her note. As to Rory Carroll's motives, this article could have something to do with the many Latin American countries (and not just those with leftist governments) who have recently recognized the Palestinian state. I can't guess quite what it might have to do with that, but it certainly came to mind. For one thing, these recognitions seems to say, 'No, Latin America will not be the dumping ground for this humongous, disastrous, bloody-minded mess that Israel and the U.S. have made in the Middle East." But that's as far as I can get with it. I'll have to think about it some more. It sure would help to know where he got the memo from. Was it a Wikileaks item? Anybody know?



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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 05:32 AM
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6. The source of the papers was Al Jazeera



"It sure would help to know where he got the memo from. Was it a Wikileaks item? Anybody know?"

http://english.aljazeera.net/palestinepapers/
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social_critic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 02:17 PM
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8. There was never any danger of a war between USA and Venezuela
Everybody knows this. You know, if you focus on one subject when you write, the stuff looks better. Adding material like this makes reading it a lot harder, and you lose credibility (just trying to help).
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 05:14 PM
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5. Disgusting anti-democratic war criminal b word.
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