I will never apologize for liking this President

[Hutzpa]

I will never apologize for standing behind him

I will never apologize for allowing him time to fix the mess he inherited

I will never apologize for my own personal experience

I will never apologize for apologizing, no wait, apologist, wait.. wait.. bashing?

ah fuck it.... I just will never apologize.



Democratic Underground is a discussion board, a place where some come to relax from
the constant media bashing, a place to learn a thing or two, a place, well, I guess
for all Democrats. There are many websites where people can go and generate hate but
I still believe this is not one of them, there are still plenty of good democrats
on this board and as long as we have them, the hate mongers can always get drowned out.

[Jennicut]

1. I really could care less if people don't like they I overall approve of Obama

Oh well, I don't know anyone here on a real life basis. My own parents are conservatives and I don't care what they think either. Everyone has their own opinion and DU is a place to discuss those opinions.

[Starry Messenger]

2. No one is asking you to.

:shrug:

[Armstead]

3. Good for you -- Now please define "hate monger"

Doesn't do a lot to make people feel all warm and fuzzy when you toss little bombs like that into the mix.

[rug]

4. I will never apologize for unreccing this Post

[MNDemNY]

5. +1

:o

[QC]

6. +2

[Hutzpa]

9. Well thank ye

Happy New year to you too.

:hi:

[rug]

16. Happy New Year, Hutzpa!

[inna]

12. +3.

what tripe.

[polmaven]

35. And I will never apologize for

countering your "unrec" with a "rec".

[Cali_Democrat]

47. Can't we all just get along?

Happy new year!!!

:toast:

[CaliCompadre]

49. The definition of "apologist" is not someone who apologizes

People are confused. Apologizer and apologist are two very different things. An apologist is, "A person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution."

That's the contrary of apologizing. http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/apologist

[applegrove]

7. I like him too but because he wants to appeal to all independants I find

that he doesn't contrast himself enough with the GOP in speeches and such. So there is no red meat for my progressive ass to bite into. I wish he was more partisan.

[Name removed]

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[Captain Hilts]

10. BINGO. nt

[Hutzpa]

11. Did you say masturbate?

Don't think Michelle would take too kindly to someone envisaging his husband with
those thoughts :puke: anyway, last I checked debates tends to happen in the Chambers
of the Senate and Congress.

[progressoid]

13. Never say never.

[inna]

14. Jesus, what tripe. Has anyone ever asked you to "apologize for

liking this president"?? What are you even babbling about? :shrug:

Unrecommended for silliness.

[niceypoo]

58. That was my first reaction also

'Straw man'

[scubadude]

15. Then you are no different than a Republican. The sad thing is you know it.

"ah f___ it, I will just never apologize" line pushed you into the Bushbot category. Isn't this what they did?

Democrats are people who hold their honesty, integrity, and love their fellow man above mere politics. We demand all our leaders to do the same, and when they don't, we hold their feet to the fire, Republican or Democrat, period!

Accepting anything less than that is simply becoming a Republican.

Scuba

[Hutzpa]

21. You are missing my point

I am not against constructive criticism, never has been and ever will be, when people
start coming up with constructive criticism which is not meddled with bias you will
see me participate.

I am for holding their feet to the fire, but does that include arming the opposition
in the process? :shrug:

[ruggerson]

23. I believe I've seen you react quite vehemently to constructive criticism

of this President. Which is, of course, subjective.

[Hutzpa]

27. If it's laced with

skunk yes! you know what they say about skunk, you can smell them a mile away,
it also comes from the constant bashing I see he gets from the media which
sends me into overdrive once I'm here, I have now learned to ignore those
threads and just move on.

[ruggerson]

31. Most Democratic presidents get the same kind of treatment

from the media. BOth Clinton and Carter fared even worse, as a matter of fact. I think Obama is holding up well in that department.

[scubadude]

37. So if it's the media, bash them, but that doesn't give our guys a pass to bad behavior.

Like I said, we need to hold all public officials regardless of party to strict standards.



Scuba

[ruggerson]

40. I'm in total agreement with you n/t

[scubadude]

38. If that is what it takes to get honest leadership then that is what must be done.

First we must make sure everyone knows what the Republicans have done, where the blame lies for our woes, then we demand the politicians we have elected in opposition to those Republican policies stand up to their rhetoric!

If our leaders are acting too much like Republicans, call them out for it.

Demand real Democratic policy and legislation.

Keep the spotlight on capitulation.

Demand service to the WHOLE Democratic spectrum.

Do not allow the Republican created view of the political spectrum as "center right" to survive, drag it leftward to correct the last 40 years of Republican manipulation.

Demand the media correctly portray the political spectrum of our country as center left.

Readjust the perception of the word "Liberal" to mean supporting progressive political reform and generosity.

Create and support progressive think tanks and grass roots organizations.

These are some of the things that need to be done. Yeah, it's a long road, but if we don't take it we'll be stalled here forever.


Scuba

[treestar]

29. It is because it was Bush that they were wrong

There is nothing wrong with generally supporting the President you like. We thought they were wrong because it was Bush/Cheney and because of what they believed in and stood for.

You're trying to make it wrong generally.

[scubadude]

54. No, I'm not trying to make it wrong generally. It was the...

"ah f___ it, I will just never apologize" line pushed his statement into the Bush-bot category, as I said before. That is unless you fall into the "cult of personality" camp. Isn't that what the Bush-bots did?

Picture what would have happened if there were no Bush-bots and if the people who supported him initially saw what was happening before the Iraq war and withdrew their support. Just that act alone may have prevented the war. That act alone certainly would have prevented a second administration, the economic meltdown that ensued, and many of the other problems we see today.

Of course the Bush-bots didn't do that because they had the "ah f___ it, I will just never apologize" mentality. They supported blindly, no matter what. They supported Bush/Cheney for "who they were", blinding themselves to "what they did".

So you see how dangerous to the country blind support can be. We must demand that our politicians do what they promise, for to do anything less is to accept the peril that may ensue.

Scuba

[azmouse]

17. I'll never apologize for standing beside you on this issue.

:)

[Hutzpa]

18. Amen!

:toast:

[firedupdem]

19. K&R n/t

[lunatica]

20. I apologize all the time

I've made mistakes. The point is to learn from them.

But I do support Obama in general and I do reserve the right to be disappointed in some of his policies and I am disappointed. But I realize he pretty much feels he has to govern from the middle.

[Hutzpa]

24. "There are no Red States and Blue States"

remember this famous quote from the 2004 convention? that comes to mind.

We will always learn from our mistakes, you learn something new everyday.

[nashville_brook]

22. so like, have you been asked to? b/c that's not been a problem in my neck of the woods.

[angee_is_mad]

25. Kick

and keep kicking.

[Undercurrent]

26. I apologize to no one for

supporting my party -- the Democratic Party. Or a Democratic President.

I have certainly disagreed with policy at times, just as I disagreed at times with my Union when I was working. But I would NEVER cross a picket line. And I would NEVER vote Repub, or "cut off my nose to spite my face" by not voting at all.

[JohnnyLib2]

28. Seems reasonable to me.

:thumbsup:

[jgraz]

30. Oh yay, another poster who doesn't know the meaning of the word "apologist".

:eyes:

[Prism]

32. I'm enjoying this theme

Because it's so revealing about a certain mindset. After being told that their understanding of the word is 100% wrong, they skip no beats in insisting that the new meaning is the real meaning and create entire scaffolds of misplaced logic to support the new, hallucinatory definition of the word.

It reminds me quite a bit of the health care reform debate.

[jgraz]

33. Holy shit -- they're "apologist" apologists!

:rofl:

[Prism]

34. My god

What if it isn't turtles all the way down?

What if it's . . . apologists?!

[avaistheone1]

36. .

:puffpiece:

[mzmolly]

39. K and

R. :kick:

[butterfly77]

41. Many come on here to ...

lie to the uninformed.

[chollybocker]

42. 100%, Hutzpa.

:thumbsup:

[Raine]

43. Did anyone ask you to...

:shrug:

[jonnyblitz]

44. and I will never apologize for not. nt

[donheld]

45. Never say never

[area51]

46. Perhaps there should be a forum

for Martyrs for Obama. I can't believe anyone demanded that you apologize.

[old mark]

48. I think he is a great president, and will vote for him as many times as I can. Rec. nt

[cornermouse]

50. Nobody asked you to apologize.

Yet another straw man.

[mstinamotorcity]

51. He is not an apologist

he's a non apologizer}( }( }(

[freddie mertz]

53. Ha! As some one has said, this "apologist" topic has been the source of much...

.."COMEDY GOLD!"

Have a happy!

:toast: :party: O8) :rofl:

[mstinamotorcity]

55. Happy New Year

to you and yours:toast:

[freddie mertz]

52. No one is asking for any apologies, except when you accuse people of being...

"Hate-mongers" because they might have a different point of view than yours.

For that, you really should apologize.

[stevenleser]

56. K&R

:fistbump:

[NJmaverick]

57. Good for you!

:toast:

[LWolf]

59. I wouldn't ask you to.

Just as I will not apologize for opposing this president, along with all center-right politicians, the dlc, corporatists, and all 3rd way/"new" democrats, along with all republicans.

DU is:

<snip>

...one of the premier left-wing websites on the Internet, publishing original content six days a week, and hosting one of the Web's most active left-wing discussion boards.

DU is not:

<snip>

affiliated with the Democratic Party, nor do we claim to speak for the party as a whole.

[timeforpeace]

60. Obama is the greatest president in US history.

[impik]

61. I will never even say that i will never apologize for having his back

He's a terrific president. The purists can bite me.

[TomCADem]

62. The Funny Thing Is That If You Post Anything In Support Of Democratic President...

You get accused of being a sell out or an apologist on DU by folks who say they are Democrats. Nothing like ad hominem attacks from so-called fellow liberals.

[depakid]

63. Liking the person is different than "liking" or supporting the policies

people who support dysfunctional policies- against their own (and the public and even the party's interests) based on their affection or devotion to a personality have proven throughout history to be a dangerous- and sometimes farcical lot.

[Hutzpa]

64. So we are now considered dysfunctional?

sounded like a bait to me. Imagine trying to justify your assertion with a condescending argument, what a very
good place to start.