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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 09:07 PM
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"Obama will meet Tuesday ... with House and Senate leaders to discuss health care reform."
HEALTH CARE HUDDLE: President Obama will meet Tuesday in the early evening with House and Senate leaders to discuss health care reform, as well as the debt limit. Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer will visit the White House in person and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Whip Dick Durbin will participate via conference call, Hill sources said. — Carol E. Lee (6:34 p.m.)

http://www.politico.com/politico44/wbarchive/whiteboard01042010.html
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levander Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 09:25 PM
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1. Health care bill and the deficit...
in one meeting. How ironic. They'll be talking about what they know they're doing to make the deficit worse, and then scrounge around trying to figure out how the hell to make it better.

I wonder if they'll be using the same lines about cutting Medicare by $500 billion and the reason they're only giving 6 years of service for 10 years of revenue is because it takes time to set up the services... The same lines they use on us.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 09:34 PM
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2. You sound exactly like Limbaugh.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 09:46 PM
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3. Wow-repeating RW talking points! n.t
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levander Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 11:18 PM
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8. Noticed neither one of you addressed the issue...
just resorted to name-calling.

And tridim, how the hell do you know what Limbaugh sounds like. It's been at least 10 years since I've been able to listen to that fat-head for more than 5 seconds while I'm driving around, flipping channels on the radio... All that guy does is bitch. If the best you can do is name-calling, I would appreciate it if you would stop using the name Limbaugh. As far as I'm concerned, that man does not exist and the world is a better, much more soothing, place.

If Limbaugh happens to be aware of the same facts I am, so be it.

The facts are that the Center for Medicare Services wrote a report on this bill. It was worded fragily, but it basically said cutting Medicare by half a trillion dollars simply was not possible. And, the money they plan on saving, they've already run out and spent. To hell with them using the money to help Medicare. Plus, this bill does provide 6 years of for 10 years of revenue. It's necessary for Obama to run around with that stupid claim that this bill, "reduces the deficit the 1st decade, and the 2nd!". What a load of crap.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 12:11 PM
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10. "If Limbaugh happens to be aware of the same facts I am, so be it."
:rofl: The facts are that this healthcare bill will REDUCE the deficit. And the money "taken from Medicare" will NOT affect people but will be done by getting rid of waste in the way it is run.
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levander Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:01 AM
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12. Won't effect people?
This is from the Center for Medicare Services's report on the Reid Bill:
The PPACA would introduce permanent annual productivity adjustments to price updates for most providers (such as hospitals, skilled nursing
facilities, and home health agencies), using a 10-year moving average of economy-wide productivity gains. While such payment update reductions would provide a strong incentive for providers to maximize efficiency, it is doubtful that many could improve their own productivity to the degree achieved by the economy at large. 7 Over time, a sustained reduction in payment updates, based on productivity expectations that are difficult to attain, would cause Medicare payment rates to grow more slowly than, and in a way that was unrelated to, the providers’ costs of furnishing services to beneficiaries. Thus, providers for whom Medicare constitutes a substantive portion of their business could find it difficult to remain profitable and, absent legislative intervention, might end their participation in the program (possibly jeopardizing access to care for beneficiaries). Simulations by the Office of the Actuary suggest that roughly 20 percent of Part A providers would become unprofitable within the 10-year projection period as a result of the productivity adjustments.


Making Medicare providers unprofitable, that doesn't affect the people who use Medicare? You're not worried those providers would shut down?

That report is worded fragily, they're being careful not to step to hard on political land mines since they live in a city like Washington, D.C.. But, again and again, they make statements like this:

As noted in the section on Medicare estimates, reductions in payment updates to health care providers, based on economy-wide productivity gains, are unlikely to be sustainable on a permanent annual basis. If these reductions were to prove unworkable within the 10-year period 2010-2019 (as appears probable for significant numbers of hospitals, skilled nursing facilities, and home health agencies), then the actual Medicare savings from these provisions would be less than shown in this memorandum.


Now, for this trillion dollar bill, they're planning on paying for about half of it with cutting Medicare. And, the guy who runs Medicare is telling you that the cuts are "unlikely" for "significant numbers of hospitals, etc.". You're not starting to get the picture, just based on these two quotes, that the cuts in the Medicare bill just aren't possible? And so, this bill is going to cost a lot more than all the political rhetoric we're hearing?

Given the detailed, thorough, and well backed comment you've posted, you seem like the kind of guy who doesn't just run around blabbing whatever some politician has said on television. So, I imagine you'd appreciate a link, so you can read the whole report for yourself: http://www.cms.hhs.gov/ActuarialStudies/Downloads/S_PPACA_2009-12-10.pdf">Click
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:40 PM
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11. "same facts" If you believe Limbaugh deals in "facts' then ......well.......
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levander Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:03 AM
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13. I have no idea what Limbaugh believes in...
Why don't you fill us in? You seem up on the subject.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 09:47 PM
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4. K&R.
:hi:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 09:49 PM
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5. He never stops! he's having his big intelligence meeting re: the underwear bomber
earlier in the day!
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 10:23 PM
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7. Tomorrow would be one hell of a day to be a fly on Obama's shoulder. Lots of interesting meetings.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 12:06 AM
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9. And oh to be able to sit in on Biden and Hillary's breakfast tomorrow...
.... at Joe's house.
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