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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:31 PM
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Obama unveils $250 million math, science program
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/01/06/obama-unveils-250-million-math-science-program/

Obama unveils $250 million math, science program
Posted: January 6th, 2010 02:13 PM ET


Washington (CNN) - President Barack Obama announced Wednesday a $250 million public-private initiative designed to improve national math and science education.

Specifically, the money will be used to promote five new partnerships intended to help train over 10,000 new math and science teachers over the next five years. It will also be used to support the professional development of more than 100,000 current math, science, technology and engineering teachers, according to the White House.

The new funding builds on Obama's math and science "Educate to Innovate Campaign," which was announced last November. Several large companies, including Intel, Xerox, Kodak and Time Warner Cable have already pledged $260 million to the effort.

American students, Obama noted, currently rank 21st in science and 25th in math compared with students around the world, putting the United States at a disadvantage on vital issues such as medicine, energy and security.

The administration, Obama said Wednesday, is committed to moving the United States "from the middle to the top of the pack."

The president handed out awards to over 100 math and science teachers after making the announcement.

Last year, Obama unveiled a $4.35 billion "Race to the Top" fund to offer competitive grants to states pursuing creative strategies for recruiting, training and retaining teachers.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:33 PM
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1. But what about funding numerology and mysticism programs?
So much for change, Mr. Obama.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:33 PM
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2. I was just waiting for someone to complain; you know they will.
:D
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:43 PM
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7. Oh, they've already complained in LBN.
1. Math and science teachers got laid off last year, thanks to the Obama economy. Ergo, this is also bad.

2. Math and science students will grow up to work for CORPORATIONS! Ergo, this is bad.

3. There are other things besides math and science that are important. Ergo, this is bad.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:52 PM
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12. Oy. Why am I not surprised? nt
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 04:29 PM
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63. My concern is that the "public-private" bit of it is worrisome
I am opposed to almost all corporatization of education and after what has happened to health care, I smell a rat.

I'm all for advancing math and science, but I would like more details on the Private aspect of this plan.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:34 PM
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3. Awesome incentives!
I want to post this in the BOG.. I can't do links there but we have a thread for the Obama admin's accomplishments, so far, and this would fit in, nicely!:)
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:37 PM
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4. Boo, education!
:P
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:43 PM
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21. I have the hall pass.
I'm gonna :spank: you. :P
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:44 PM
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22. I don't see the punishment here.
:P
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:37 PM
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5. A short math lesson
The middle of a pack of 25 is 12, not 21.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:44 PM
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8. A short reading lesson
Get one.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:47 PM
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10. A short reading lesson
Nowhere does it say that the US is 21st out of 25.

A short google informs you that:

The average combined science literacy scale score for U.S. students was lower than the OECD (Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, an intergovernmental agency of 30 member countries and the sponsor of the report) average, according to the latest PISA results.

U.S. students fell to 25th place in math and 21st place in science.

The United States was joined by Spain and Italy among the 32 countries that were classified as below OECD average.


ttp://blogs.eweek.com/careers/content001/education/us_students_rank_lower_than_ever_in_science_and_math.html


We're still "lower than average." But the math lesson is not going to help things!
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 10:44 AM
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51. Obviously we need more Literacy money as well.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:41 PM
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6. more details here
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:44 PM
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9. Let's raise a generation of children too smart to fall for right-wing talking points. n/t
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:56 PM
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14. YEAH! I'm with you.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:45 PM
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44. Love it! NT
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:49 PM
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11. We always need more math and science teachers.
We participate in the existing NAS grant for science teacher training and it's been very good.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:54 PM
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13. Good
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:58 PM
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15. While everyone play in their sandbox, this president is quietly saving America's future
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:36 PM
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30. Isn't that his job?
:shrug:
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:58 PM
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42. Too bad the corporations are hellbent on destroying it. Well, for everyone except themselves.
And as history has proven so far, they WILL get their way.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:11 PM
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16. A few jobs for the graduates would do more to recruit than anything. A few less H1-Bs maybe?
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:22 PM
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17. +1
The vast majority of math and science grads that I know are now working in unrelated fields. The jobs are simply not there.
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:28 PM
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36. I'd have a look at your or your technical friends' CVs if you/they care. nt
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:27 PM
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18. Way cool! Nearly 7% of the Afghanistan PER MONTH cost!
Does me proud.
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tranche Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:47 PM
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23. Isn't there a pair of Kooche's undies you can sniff?
At least you'd have something more satisfying to do than shitting on every single thread on DU.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:03 PM
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25. I'm sorry. If I was inaccurate in some way, please let me know.
Just keepin' it "real"...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:10 PM
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27. Different budgets, for starters. But you know that. And that's not
excusing what's going on in Afghanistan, just keepin' it real.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:07 PM
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45. Math and science teachers are stoning and beheading people while launching global attacks?
Did schools change a whole lot since I last went there?
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:27 PM
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19. If you want kids to learn something in school don't have
a 2 hour delay every single day in the winter and cancel school every time it snows. The kids here were off two weeks for Christmas vacation and so far have missed every day this week. We are getting 4-6 inches snow Thursday night so Friday will be cancelled. Tomorrow we will probably have a 2 hour delay and school will let out early since it is suppose to snow after noon. None of those days would have been cancelled when I went to school.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 10:47 AM
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52. lol, ok gramps
im sure your 15 mile walk up hill both ways really helped your education.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:43 PM
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20. This country could sure use more science and math proficiency.
:applause:
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bergie321 Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:00 PM
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24. Yay
Almost half a percent of what we spend annually on "defense" but it's a start.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:41 PM
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46. The irony is, "defense" is exactly what the government uses math and science for. n/t
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kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:04 PM
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26. They are still cutting school budgets and laying off people.
Where are these new teachers going to work?
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:44 PM
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31. .
:eyes:
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:28 PM
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28. but, but, but... obama is no different than bush!!!!
:silly:
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:35 PM
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29. Just out of curiosity
where do we rank worldwide in the liberal arts, languages, and history?

These are all valuable subjects, too, but all I ever hear is math and science, math and science.

Not to mention music and art.

I think we should compete in all of these things. Not everyone is cut out to be a mathematician or scientist. People need to be able to excel (and be employed) in subjects that they like, and in which they're talented and motivated.
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nemo137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:31 PM
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37. While I agree that we need more focus on the humanities,
getting and retaining math and science teacher is like pulling teeth, and the level of science illiteracy in this country is truly frightening. Even people who aren't cut out to be engineers or chemists or actuaries benefit from the thinking skills taught in math/sci classes, the same way the children who aren't going to be poets benefit from having at least a passing familiarity with literature.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:00 PM
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57. I took science and math, even through college (and I was an English major)
I'll tell you right off the bat, one thing that discourages people from taking those classes in college is that most of them grade on a curve. There is not room for everyone to do well. They don't seem to want to teach you, just to eliminate you. I took a beginning calculus class that was full of people from China who already knew the material, yet were allowed to participate in a beginning class to (apparently) puff their GPAs.

Also, I learned more from my logic class (which was taught from the philosophy department) that I later applied to computer skills than I did from any computer class, of which I also took a fair number. The logic skills assisted me a lot in learning to program, and, in fact, I still apply it now.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:03 PM
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58. The level of illiteracy in the humanities is frightening too
Have you seen the answers the typical high schooler is giving on history tests? People are blinding themselves to the fact that math and science are not the only areas where we are lagging. The average Canadian probably knows more about American history than the average American student.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:48 PM
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47. I absolutely agree.
A liberal arts education is essential to critical thinking and problem-solving skills. Not every problem is an equation. But all I've heard for years is "science and math," as you say. I even worked on a NSF program in the '90s that developed K-12 science curriculum. So it's been around forever. I never hear about teaching the humanities anymore. Yet they are equally valuable, especially given the global nature of business and politics today.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:44 PM
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32. Math and Science have always been
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 07:48 PM by politicasista
scored lower than other subject areas; there is always a need for improving those subjects before and after the test scores are released.

Nothing wrong with investing towards education. Thanks, Mr. President! :patriot:
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:19 PM
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33. Training teachers is not where the problem lies. Teachers are
aleady well trained. Put the money in science labs and equipment. Tools for math as well, then PICK A DAMN STRATEGY AND STOP CHANGING IT EVERY OTHER YEAR!!
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:25 PM
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34. Good. Definitely the most important subjects by far. nt
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:27 PM
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35. RWers will declare that it will cost less and be more effective if
the government just gave $100,000 to each and every one of the 300+ million U.S. citizens ...
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:45 PM
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38. All the math whizzes work for hedged funds nowadays.
What a waste.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:54 PM
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40. Indeed; and your point can be generalized.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:56 PM
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41. Hahahaha!
dfk miserable, all systems go!!!
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:21 PM
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43. It's because all the incentives are to create financial derivatives to skirt laws and
Risk other peoples money to get rich.

And yes I'm not happy with the unfairness of our system. I'm in the Dylan Ratigan/Howard Dean wing of politics.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 10:49 AM
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53. Your in that fantasy wing of reality
life is unfair and always will be. Period.
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:57 PM
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60. Not all.
Hello :hi:

That said, I have helped train (not my choice) a grad student who came to this country not knowing any English, who's now a CFO-type at one of the bone-crushing global bank firms. I coud have gone the same route but didn't, knowing I couldn't buy into the pursuit of money and power for their own sakes.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:53 PM
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39. Thank gawd. Won't get anywhere without teachers who actually know the subject.
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midnight armadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:36 AM
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48. Throwing some pennies to the masses I see
Meanwhile, $30 billion will be spent on additional US troops in Afghanistan over the next several years.

Endless wealth for war, scraps for education. Same old, same old.
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 10:28 AM
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49. 250 Million, nationwide?
Sounds pretty paltry to me. Would 250 million across the board even buy enough new books for one class in the U.S.?
Maybe a state or two, but nationwide??
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 10:43 AM
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50. This is a corporate handout as it just trains future employees
:sarcasm:
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:08 PM
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54. They need to pump some money into arts programs if they want the math and science
programs to truly be successful. Study after study has shown that courses that encourage creativity and understanding of the arts (visual art in particular-but all arts are a benefit) lead to better performance in the sciences. Think Leonardo Da Vinci.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:18 PM
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55. I hope they will, but don't expect much. Humanities and the arts are less immediately
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 12:23 PM by freddie mertz
PROFITABLE for the kind of corporate co-sponsorship we are seeing here.

Humanities and the arts are under siege at every level in our education system.

The evidence for this is everywhere, including on internet forums like this one.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:24 PM
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56. Awesome... that is where the future is ...
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:42 PM
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59. toss 'em a crumb
It sounds pretty good -- but not when you compare that number with how much we're spending to protect our country from the threat of a cave man on dialysis.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:59 PM
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62. you'd have to double and add three zeroes to get in the neighborhood of what we gave to Wall St. for
nothing except a kick in the nuts for thanks.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:42 PM
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61. I'm waiting for someone to tell me why this is bad.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 05:03 PM
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64. excellent news!
$250mil is but a drop in the bucket, but i hope it's just the first installment for a long-term program. It's time for those big corporations to start giving back, glad to hear them providing funds for it. Ultimately, it's these business interests that will benefit from highly-educated employees. A good investment.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 05:04 PM
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65. K&R
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