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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 04:17 PM
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President Obama: Come Clean on "Buy an Economist" Scandal
For almost the entirety of the health care debate, the Obama Administration has relied on economist Jonathan Gruber to make the public case for its idea of reform - even the most unpopular parts. But as Firedoglake revealed on Friday, the Obama Administration has failed to disclose that it paid the same economist more than $780,000.

This is a huge ethical violation that undermines the entirety of health care reform. Sign our petition to President Obama:

Paying an economist $780,000 to push bad reforms without disclosing his conflicts of interest is no way to pass health care reform. The Obama Administration must come clean on its payoffs to Jonathan Gruber and any other undisclosed paid promoters.

We need to do health care reform right. But not telling the truth about reform won't help anyone.

http://action.firedoglake.com/page/s/gruber?source=email01112010
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 04:18 PM
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1. Gruber got a research grant
Krugman has already covered why this is a phony issue.
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 05:33 PM
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15. Exactly! People need to familarize with government
contracting.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 04:18 PM
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2. Paul Krugman has a different take:
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 04:22 PM
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4. Thanks. I was really confused and concerned by that OP.
Edited on Mon Jan-11-10 04:23 PM by Jennicut
But it sounds like he was given a grant to do research. You can't turn around and because you don't like his conclusions say he is being paid off.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 04:23 PM
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7. I wonder how many more times this'll get posted. They must be
drawing straws. "I ain't gonna post it again. You post it." "No, you post it." "No, you."
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 05:31 PM
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14. Oh please
I got this in an email from FDL ... I did not know about it as I don't sit here ALL day and read every damn post.

Give me a break, FFS.



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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:58 AM
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26. oh im sure it came in an email.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 04:25 PM
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10. Yeah, everyone who doesn't agree with them must be destroyed
including the administration.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 04:21 PM
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3. I need to know more about this. nt
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 11:18 AM
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31. Love your dry humor, CH. nt
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 04:23 PM
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5. More crap from FDL. Jane Hamsher still buddy-buddy with Grover Norquist?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 04:23 PM
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6. What bullshit. The guy works for the Massachusett Connector
his views are hardly a secret and haven't changed on the issue for more than two decades.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 04:24 PM
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8. Bunch of shit created by those who don't want us to have no stinking HCR.....
Edited on Mon Jan-11-10 04:28 PM by FrenchieCat
and would rather see the Democratic party dead as a doornob, than see any policy progress in our lifetime.

This Claim is false, and harmful to the Democratic Party as a whole, specifically to the issue of Health Care reform, and to the American people in general. If enough buy this disinformation, the media will pick it up and run with it as a half baked scandal, kind how they did this with ACORN.

Firedoglake is not in anyway pursuing the advance of the American people;
they have their own agenda.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 04:24 PM
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9. Debatable:
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 04:26 PM
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11. The White House didn't "hire" him
He gets a research grant from HHS. Yes, it should have been disclosed. It now HAS been disclosed. It was a grant to run various scenarios through an economic model he has developed over a period of years. They haven't "relied upon to make the case...". They used the out put of the model to make the case. They also used the CBO, and if you don't think THAT organization has some political presssures.....

This is more of the "amateur hour" problem at the White House, but in the end it isn't the same as the "secretly paid generals" issue of the past admin.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 04:30 PM
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12. More FDL lies. This has been debunked. Stop spreading this erroneous shit around.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 11:05 PM
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20. Debunked by whom?
Gruber's pal Paul Krugman? Sorry, not good enough.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:59 AM
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28. Im sure the only one good enough for you would be Oily Taitz
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 11:01 AM
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29. Oh oops. I picked on your e-boyfriend Paul Krugman.
Sorry. :eyes:

Does he make you get a tingle up your leg?
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 11:25 AM
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34. Dont tell your mom, she will get jealous.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 04:34 PM
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13. If you're going to post FDL shit, might as well include Fox News shit too.
One is as good as the other. They both heart Grover Norquist.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 06:37 PM
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16. Someone who is not a total dumbass would know what a research grant is.
Edited on Mon Jan-11-10 06:39 PM by Teaser
But we're talking about firedoglake here.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 10:56 PM
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 05:02 PM
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39. Yeah, it doesn't pay her to actually report the facts.
She's selling out her country to fatten up her stupid coffers.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 06:42 PM
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17. I see Jane can't live more than few days out of the headlines
No facts-check, no serious research, such more and more garbage-hate of the president. What an idiot.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 09:59 PM
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18. Another fake scandal from the Firebaggers. nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 04:58 PM
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38. Oh, yeah..."Big Scandal Brewing"..I knew as soon as
I saw that from fdl that it was more bogus bullshit from the greedy ignorant puddlebaggers.
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 02:59 AM
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21. By This Same Logic - A Lot Of Climate Science Is Also Suspect. What About Intelligent Design?
Because you can trace the source of funding to federal grants. Maybe Firedog will also make common cause with James Inhofe as well. The logic is the same. Just to throw out: "President Obama: Come Clean on "Buy a Climatologist" Scandal," throw out the fact that the work of many of climatologists is funded with government research grants, and you have a controversy.

While we're at it, we should also have:

"President Obama: Come Clean on "Buy a Biologist" Scandal" due to federal funding of research on biology and research that unfairly favors those who believe in evolution over those who support creationism and intelligent design.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:06 AM
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:16 AM
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24. unfortunately, it seems they won't.
:(
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:33 AM
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25. Just read Krugman's article...
Apprarently I can't be objective either. I got a tax refund from the Obama Administration last year.

To quote Professor Krugman: Oy.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 11:18 AM
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32. Then you're a paid operative.
:rofl:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:16 AM
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23. is this the faux scandal krugman took apart yesterday?
:rofl:
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 11:17 AM
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30. Why yes. Yes it is.
:rofl:
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 11:37 AM
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35. You mean the one where Krugman said Gruber should have disclosed his contract?
BTW, he was introduced as a "paid consultant to the Obama administration" on News Hour last night. From now on there will be a disclaimer every time he speaks, writes an article, or is quoted.

No big deal. :)
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:59 AM
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27. OMG! You're right!! And I just realized that OBAMA IS PAID BY THE GOVERNMENT, TOO!!!!!!!!!!11!11!!
:eyes:

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 11:43 AM
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36. And the ENTIRE CONGRESS is PAID BY THE GOVERNMENT!!!
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:03 PM
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37. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Everything's fucked up!!!!!!

Please don't tell me that the guys who build our public road systems are financed by the government, too!!!!!!!!
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 11:20 AM
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33. Gwen Ifill introduced him as a paid consultant on News Hour last night. eom
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 06:56 PM
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40. The bashers looking for a scandal to rock
the White House will have to continue looking under their rocks..this isn't going to materialize for them:nopity:
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