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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 05:39 PM Original message |
Harry Reid: "He double-crossed me. ... Let’s not do what he wants. Let the bill just go down," |
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begin_within (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. Amen. Let the bill go down. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Can you count to 60? nt |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 05:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Exactly. As much as I'd like single payer, its a WASTE of tax payer dollars to pursue it when... |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. "The votes are not there" is a bit of a cop-out |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 06:54 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. And lose Nelson/Nelson, Landrieu, Lincoln, Lieberweiner et al? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
29. Of course they would negotiate with Feingold. Russ is reasonable and worth the effort. |
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ribrepin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-14-10 01:48 AM Response to Reply #29 |
42. Yeah that really is the problem |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-14-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #7 |
48. The cop-outs have been many... |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 06:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. It's really frustrating....to have our resident "flat earthers". |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. helloooo...Reality calling. While I don't think we will ever get Single Payer |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 07:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. How is it "squandering" when they pursued what was passable versus that which is not? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 08:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. What is currently proposed is worse than nothing in many respects. for the first time in our |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-14-10 03:30 AM Response to Reply #32 |
43. Exactly! |
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levander (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-14-10 12:44 AM Response to Reply #20 |
41. There was a bill with universal coverage and broad bipartisan support... |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 06:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
21. Fuck 60. |
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stubertmcfly (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Amen n/t |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
27. I know about the Byrd rule and reconciliation- |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 11:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
37. Change the rules |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
38. No need for 60. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 05:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. +1 |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 05:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Jesus. What is it about single-payer not having the votes |
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gleaner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. How do you know ..... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Because many credible Senators have said so - and they can count |
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gleaner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. So this is something you have heard .... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. I mentioned Kerry because he said specifically - that there were not the votes |
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gleaner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 10:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
36. Maybe I am not making what I mean clear ... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-14-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #36 |
44. I do hear what you are saying |
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gleaner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-14-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Thank you for your very detailed and incisive .... |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
28. If John Kerry is such a single payer advocate |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Why didn't Ted Kennedy? Neither are in the state legislature |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. **crickets** |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. How would we know/?It was NEVER on the table! |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Because we KNOW there are some Democrats against it |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. There are SOME Democrats against everything! The point is |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Because they don't vote on issues where the yknow they don't have the votes |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 06:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. One would. But I also know that the question was never asked before the determination was made. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 07:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. It only takes one Senator |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-14-10 10:34 AM Response to Reply #25 |
45. Here is one of several Senators who said "NO" - but this is the clearest |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 07:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
31. How do we know? We can't even get a half assed public option through. |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Kill the Bill is what Lieberman wants. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. Oh yes. Genius! |
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levander (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-14-10 12:42 AM Response to Reply #1 |
40. Will you give up on public option already? |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
8. I have a much better idea, Harry. Hows about pass the bill, |
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Lord Helmet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. ^ hear, hear! |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. Because there's NOTHING left in this bill worth passing. |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-14-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
49. Couldn't disagree more. |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 08:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
34. You want that done before or after the DOMA bill Lieberman co-wrote is passed? |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-14-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #34 |
50. Right after healthcare is passed. |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
33. Imagine my shock reading this via Twitter... |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-14-10 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
46. That should have been the signal to drop the 60 vote requirement. |
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Myrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-14-10 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
47. Senator Joe Palpatine strikes again ... |
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troubledamerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-14-10 11:42 PM Response to Original message |
52. Ex Post Facto Narrative-Building Manipulation |
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