Rep. DeFazio: "we don’t feel like we need to be jammed by the Adm, who is just in a hurry to get so

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BRAVO!!




Peter DeFazio: “We Can Play the Same Game as the Senate”
Wednesday January 13, 2010 7:43 am




Peter DeFazio is back from the break and boy is he pissed. Mike Stark caught up with him:

DEFAZIO: I think the Senate bill is a disaster. I mean, anybody who’s watching this noticed that insurance industry stocks has gone up since the Senate bill passed, because It gives them a lot of new customers and no meaningful controls. They took out my language stripping the industry of the anti-trust immunity. They established meaningless, spineless weak state exchanges instead of a national exchange.


They want to tax union workers and others who have good health insurance. Those are all total non-startes with me and I believe with other members of the caucus, and I think, you know, I mean, we can play the same game as the Senate. “You know gee, we’ve got to have a bill Joe Lieberman likes”…. well they’ve only got two votes to spare in the House. so I think this is going to be a tougher negotiation than they think.

STARK And when you say it’s a non-starter with a lot of members of the caucus, what that translates to is, not vote?

DEFAZIO I have been in Oregon, I’ve only talked to a few people on the phone. But there are a number of people upset with the direction this is going, and we don’t feel like we need to be jammed by the Administration who is just in a hurry to get something on the checklist for the State of the Union. We’ve got to get it right, and if that means standing up to the Senate, then we’ve going to do that. I hope.
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............DeFazio has said he will vote against any bill that does not have a public option, and signed the July 30 letter to Nancy Pelosi saying he “simply cannot vote” for a bill that “at minimum” does not have a public plan. But he also signed a letter saying he’d vote against the IMF funding in the war supplemental and flipped on that when his vote was needed, so how far he’ll go on this one remains to be seen.

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http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/01/13/peter-defazio-we-can-play-the-same-game-as-the-senate/

[jefferson_dem]

1. Wacky Hamsher is still beating the "KEEEL THE BILL" drum.

Goodness... :eyes:

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2. FDL = WTF

Jane has jumped Shamu.

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4. The focus is on what the Rep said, not the messenger.

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10. Defazio is but 1 out of 435. nt

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15. .The House bill had only two Democratic votes to spare in order to pass,

.....The House bill had only two Democratic votes to spare in order to pass, though it’s rumored that Pelosi had others in her pocket she could have delivered if need be. But it sounds like many are not happy having the House of Lords declare them irrelevant. Both DeFazio and Robert Wexler were “yeas” in the 220-215 vote that got the health care bill through the House. Wexler has resigned and won’t be replaced until April.

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18. It was pure political posturing.

An attempt to save the Blue Dogs in 2010 if things get worse.

[jefferson_dem]

14. If the "messenger" doesn't want to be attacked...

she should not post her commentary on a blog.

Who are you - her bouncer?

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16. I am a poster who is interested in what DeFazio had to say. Period!!

[Forkboy]

3. Hamsher isn't the one being quoted.

Regardless of one feels about her, it's DeFazio's words that are the subject at hand.

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5. Thanks for pointing that out. It is obviously needed. And thanks to DeFazio. I

hope the progressive caucus sticks to their words.

[jefferson_dem]

12. True.

Are you saying that she just wants to share DeFazio's position and has no interest in promoting it to further her desire to kill the bill?

Look at how she frames the write-up. De FaFazio just said.... Earlier he promised... The pro-reformers have no room for error... Oh...here's DeFazio's contact information...

Admittedly, knee-jerk reaction is kind of base but I just have no time or interest in debating the merits of this shit (any more). It'll be a glorious day when reform passes and we can move on.

[Forkboy]

19. Oh, I'm sure she has an agenda in this.

We'll all use someone's position to further our own if it meshes. But that still doesn't change his actual words, which we can go by and draw whatever conclusions we're so inclined to draw. In situations like this I tend to ignore/skim the stuff surrounding the actual quotes. The quotes are the meat, the rest just dressing. :)

[KoKo]

32. It's with great sadness that this DU'er has to say...KILL "This" Bill!

It's a bad thing and being rushed through. The simplest parts to help Americans have been given over to Corporate Interests.

Let's work on individual parts of it and getting it through Congress. If Reid can be tossed out we might get a more Liberal replacement.

Remember...most of this bill doesn't go into effect for years down the road. Meanwhile Insurance companies are jacking up rates in anticipation.

Kill the Bill and work on Anti-Trust Legislation against Insurance Monopoly and then ram through individual bills that will stop denial for Pre-Existing Conditions and to allow Millions more to BUY INTO MEDICARE. And pass a bill that will allow "Health Clinics" to be built and staffed in rural areas all over the US to take care of folks who end up in Emergency Rooms.

We have maybe 4 top issues that could be passed as "Stand Alone" in separate Bills to be rammed through without the "60 Votes" Reid and his allies keep "smoke and Mirroring us on."

Let's reform Health Care for Americans a STEP AT A TIME...rather than this ROTTING THING that's Written by the Health Insurance Industry who has trashed average Americans for years.

Why the RUSH?

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6. Do you not support what DeFazio says??

[jefferson_dem]

13. No.

Not in the way Hamsher...and you wish to frame it.

Oh, welcome to DU. :hi:

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20. Forget the framing. His points are good and I am glad he is speaking out.

thanks for the welcome

[emilyg]

21. So am I. Welcome to DU.

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33. :-)

[girl gone mad]

23. and you're still beating the "KEEL JANE HAMSHER" drum.

yawn.

[Hawkowl]

24. Nice rethug tactic....

Attack the messenger, i.e; the poster, not the message from DeFazio. Good job! Intentional or not.

[jefferson_dem]

28. I have no problem with the poster.

Jane "Let's Team Up With the Teabaggers" Hamsher... another story.

Sorry. She's not credible. I won't open up that can of worms once again.

If I posted something from Glenn Beck, would you address the substance of his argument or mock him/me for posting something from Glenn Beck?

[Bluenorthwest]

34. This is about my Rep, Peter DeFazio

who is correct, as usual, because he has been here in his district, talking to us, his constituents, who do not support this piece of shite sell out. It is that simple. If you want, I'll call Peter and have him restate his quotes to me, so you don't have the distraction of having to deal with a blogger you don't like. Because he'd say the same thing. He lives here, we don't like it. Your feelings about blogger Jane will not alter that.

[Cha]

7. Yeah, play your games defazio.

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9. DeFazio is right and it is a game worth play if the p;rogressive

caucus sticks to their words in the House.

[saracat]

11. Care to explain why De Fazio is wrong? Or is he not a real Dem either?

[Bluenorthwest]

35. He's my Rep

What 'game' do you suggest he is playing, and what objective do you insinuate he holds? Come on and say it, this McCarthyite drive by implication is no longer going to fly around here. You are speaking of a man I know as well as a man I vote for. If you have something to say, say it, if not, go stuff your right wing crapola, because that is exactly what it is. Right wing crapola.

[saracat]

8. Bravo for at least publicly statng the issue!

[senseandsensibility]

17. I support DeFazio

and shocked that some on this thread don't. The divide and conquer mentality is still alive and well, I see.

[depakid]

22. It would be great if DeFazio and the progressive caucus handed the Republicrats

and the appeasers in the administration their piece of crap back. Might actually stem the upcoming losses next year if this became a pattern of standing up for ordinary Americans over corrupt corporate interests.

[girl gone mad]

25. I hope they have seen the writing on the wall.

So few are happy with this bill as it stands now. If it passes as is, it puts us at great risk in 2010. And for what? So the insurance companies can get richer? Dumb, dumb, dumb.

[depakid]

26. If this goes through- expect repeat performances

on just about every reform coming down the pipeline.

The progressive caucus either stands up to it- or suffers as the same fate as the blue dogs in many districts.

[FiveGoodMen]

30. "it puts us at great risk in 2010"

It puts us all at great risk right now that our reps are even considering it.

Losing the majority isn't the biggest problem; finding out that both parties are dead set against Americans is the worst of it.

[Vincardog]

27. if DeFazio and the progressive caucus handed the Republicrats this shit back I would contribute

money and time again. Otherwise I am sitting this one out.

[jefferson_dem]

29. So the "Republicrats" are Democrats who support the bill ...

as opposed to the Republicans who want to kill the bill, as you are recommending?

This is all so confusing...

[depakid]

31. Republicrats support the same corrupt corporate crap that Republicans do

and- as Howard Dean said so bluntly- we didn't elect Democrats to enact crap legislation.

That Republicans are mounting a successful strategy of opposing everything in order to watch the hapless Democrats flail about and expose themselves as the timid, complicit and at times corrupt bunch that all too many of them are, doesn't mean that their movers and strategists aren't quite pleased with the legislation.

It's largely a win/win for them.

They get many of the provisions they wanted (including some McCain actually campaigned on) -the ones they most opposed are excluded from the bill (or even from consideration) AND they get to sit back as say "we told you so" and "hey, we didn't do it" as the Dems impose unpopular and utterly ineffective "reforms" that will make the problem(s) even more intractable- and will pad the pockets of their insurance and PhARMA donors- while associating them with Democrats!