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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 09:59 AM
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Obama To Visit Capitol Hill To Persuade House Dems On Health Care
Edited on Thu Jan-14-10 10:12 AM by freddie mertz
Obama To Visit Capitol Hill To Persuade House Dems On Health Care
RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR | 01/14/10 09:33 AM |



WASHINGTON — Striving to close the deal on health care, President Barack Obama planned a trip to Capitol Hill on Thursday to urge rank-and-file House Democrats to yield on key issues still standing in the way. Democratic bargainers were considering raising more money from drug makers and other provider groups to help pay for care.

Obama's late afternoon visit comes amid intense White House negotiations with Democratic leaders aimed at settling core differences between the House and Senate that must be resolved before the sweeping overhaul legislation can pass.
Wednesday's unusually long meeting at the White House – it began at midmorning and ended after sunset – underscored the urgency they and Obama feel about completing legislation on which they have staked so much.

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The White House said the leaders covered all aspects of the legislation but released no details about where progress had been achieved or when the laborious process would end.

"We're getting close," House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said late Wednesday.

Hoyer and others said Wednesday's talks ranged over numerous areas of disagreement. A key point was Obama's demand for a tax on high-cost insurance plans, a proposal designed to slow the rise in health care costs. Several union leaders were also at the White House during the day, although it was not clear whether they met with lawmakers.

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Union officials familiar with the negotiations said the White House would like a deal on the high-cost insurance plan tax by Friday. Options being considered to lessen the impact on union members included raising the threshold at which the tax would be levied – it's $23,000 for family plans in the Senate-passed bill – and exempting collective bargaining agreements negotiated before 2013 from the tax.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/14/obama-to-visit-capitol-hi_n_422996.html



But, but, wait!...I thought Obama didn't have any influence in Congress, and just had to sit on his hands while the public option was discarded, along with the Medicare buy-in. He couldn't lift a finger when it came to Lieberman and Nelson's obstructions. Just wasn't in his power.

But NOW we find that he can actually get into a car, go to the Capitol, and personally assemble with House members to twist arms to get the bill he wants.

I guess he would rather apply pressure to the progressive Democrats in the House, who passed something much closer to what he claimed he wanted, but had to sit by silently while the conservative Dems in the Senate threw hissy fits to get whatever they wanted cut or added to the bill. Maybe it's time he came out and told the American people exactly what he wanted in this bill.

Maybe he should put this meeting up on C-Span, so we can watch the negotiations for ourselves and see who is asking for what.

Nevermind.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:01 AM
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1. I hope the House will hold out, by the way.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:03 AM
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2. Tell me what would have happened....
... had President Obama spent 11 months demanding a public option and THIS guy still refused to vote for it?



How would that have played out?
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:06 AM
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3. We will never know what might have happened had Obama pursued a more assertive strategy.
The months wasted seeking GOP support certainly seem to have been a major waste of time.

And they may have contributed to Stinky Joe's own sense of entitlement.

We shall never know.

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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:30 AM
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9. Barack Obama was able to convince 70 million Americans to vote for him....
... yet he wasn't able to convince Joe Lieberman to support him.

Joe Lieberman is interested in supporting Joe Lieberman first and the Republican party second. Joe Lieberman doesn't CARE what the American people want.

Some people are a lost cause.



What we'll never know is how much damage the GOP (via Lieberman) might have been able to do had they been able to prevent the President from failing to successfully include a PO that he "demanded" be in the bill. It would have made "Waterloo" look like a baseball game. .... or worse, a repeat of the Clinton HCR debacle.

While that might please some ... I am NEVER in favor of the wingnuts scoring a political victory. I simply cant understand how that's a good thing.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:51 AM
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21. I simply not not accept the view of Obama as a powerless man.
Lieberman is a pathetic wretch. Obama a gifted leader.

I maintain that more should and could have been done.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:57 AM
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24. No one said he is powerless
But he can't do everything and may not agree with you on strategies.

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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 02:11 PM
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29. He ran as a guy who could build consensus.
Edited on Thu Jan-14-10 02:11 PM by freddie mertz
I know the Senate is a den of snakes, but I still expected a bit more of a fight.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:07 AM
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5. Nothing. Idiots are pretending they don't know that Lieberman is a lost cause.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:32 AM
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11. Exactly. NT
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:15 AM
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6. So you are saying he capitulated to Joe in advance
Somehow intuiting that Joe would prevail, no matter what he did, no matter what the will of the American people might be. Never seen a President willing to fold for a Senator. Ever.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:17 AM
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7. I certainly do think he capitulated in advance.
It was a direct consequence of his willingness to give away the store to get a Puke or two through Baucus' phony "Gang of six" negotiations.

Joe and Ben were obviously paying attention.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:59 AM
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25. When it comes down to it, we need Lieberman's vote
that's the way the system is. As long as Lieberman is willing to filibusters.

This is not a direct democracy. People in Connecticut should have considered that if they wanted the public option.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:32 AM
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10. it'd have obama looking like a fool, but freddie would probably enjoy that...
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:33 AM
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12. lol, ya think? NT
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:40 AM
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14. what people don't realize, or maybe they do, is that if he pushes for something he knows he can't
get the congress to vote for, he comes out looking weak and it'sa huge political blunder.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:46 AM
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18. He ended up looking weak anyway. At best. nt.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 11:05 AM
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27. We'll talk about how weak he looks....
Edited on Thu Jan-14-10 11:05 AM by Clio the Leo
..... as he's signing the bill.

Because you KNOW there'll be pictures! lol :)
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:44 AM
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15. Why would I enjoy that? I wanted him to delver on HCR.
I was very supportive of his effort, until he began to track backwards.

Turns out I was right about the consequences of that back-tracking.

But I wish I had been wrong.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 11:00 AM
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26. Did you ever require Congress to deliver?
They are an equal part of it.

Out there, someone is blaming Lieberman for "capitulation" too.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 12:35 PM
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28. WOW
"Don't bother because you might fail"

The Democrats should have rammed it through at 3 am like the republicans did with Medicare plan D and been done with it.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:06 AM
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4. He should be talking to the Senate about this abortion bullshit that Ed covered yesterday
on his show he predicted this WILL KILL the health care if not resolved because so many factions of abortion rights have there hand in it.WTF!!! i though this was supposed to be the Progressive party supporting a woman's right to choose how did the dems get caught up talking about abortion
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:25 AM
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8. Lieberman is the problem not the house dems.
Throw him out of the party already.

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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:33 AM
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13. Before or AFTER the DOMA bill he's written is passed? NT
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:46 AM
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17. There was no effort to twist Lieberman's arm.
He knew he had Obama over a barrel and knew that there would be no effort to strong-arm or punish him.

The WH "negotiated" from a position of weakness, by its own design, apparently.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:45 AM
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16. knr. yes. Amazing isn't it?! New Dems targeting progressives. Let's
pay attention. It looks like we're about to get more of corporate protection over peoples' needs in the next 2 years. Some of us have been pointing out this painful and dangerous trend and receiving plenty of flak for it.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:47 AM
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19. There has been absolutely no pressure applied to conservatives.
Maybe on Stupak.

But even the Senate version is bad enough on reproductive rights.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:50 AM
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20. He needs to work on the Senate to yield.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:54 AM
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22. Even in conservative states Obama should have some leverage on Senators.
Enough of an impact to encourage voters to vote against incumbents in the Primary. Is it possible? Can't tell unless it is tried. But I think at the least it could scare the hell out any Senator when the margin of victory is substantially less than desired.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:56 AM
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23. Just because he can go doesn't mean he doesn't have to be careful
what he asks for and take into account the interests and positions of the Congressmen.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 12:28 PM
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30. Kicking. There is another meeting today, apparently.
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