If you're going to see only one Obama speech this week

[impik]

Make sure it'll be his church speech from this morning. That was something special.

[HopeOverFear]

1. I missed it

darn

[applegrove]

15. Me too and they didn't play it later on CNN. Oh well the Boston speech will have to do. It is very

good too.

[Ptah]

2. Where might I find it?

[Phx_Dem]

4. I'm hoping C-SPAN will run it. I heard a few minutes of it in my car, but

I'd like to see the entire thing.

[NYC_SKP]

18. In HD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpMEf4wZcEM

[DeepModem Mom]

3. K&R

[LWolf]

5. I see very few Obama speeches.

I prefer to judge his walk, rather than his talk; words don't move me like actions do.

I also don't like political events happening in churches, but that's just me.

And yes, I'm aware that better leaders than Obama also spoke from churches.

[FrenchieCat]

6. Black People freed themselves and progressed towards their freedom

based on the events centered around and in the Black churches....

[LWolf]

7. Yes.

I think I indicated recognition of that.

Of course, the leaders of various civil rights movements during the last couple of centuries were not, as I recall, elected politicians.

They were activists, and some were church leaders as well. And the issues involved are certainly appropriate for churches to address.

I also think it's appropriate for churches to 1. Celebrate MLK Jr. Day, and 2. Speak, and act, about helping anyone in the world who needs help.

In order to honor the spirit of the establishment clause, I don't think politicians should be campaigning or speaking in churches.

I like my separation deeper and wider than many.

[FrenchieCat]

8. Too bad.

Since religion is all up in government's face,
might as well send a politician who believes in the separation
to speak there. After all, this speech was about MLK and the Haiti Disaster,
not so much about policies.

[LWolf]

9. That part is true.

In this instance, it's more a problem of perception than substance.

I just don't want politicians making speeches in churches.

Neither do I want organized religion manipulating government.

It seems like a good idea to me that to prevent further eroding of that wall of separation, we have to keep the politicians out of the churches (except for private attendance) and the churches out of government.

[FrenchieCat]

10. Perception doesn't seem to be a problem except for a few,

including you.

MLK's is honored every year by American Presidents, because of who Martin Luther King JR. was and what he help do for the people he represented.

Faith was intergral to his life work as was the church, and in this case, speaking at churches where he spoke, is symbolically important and totally appropriate.

People of faith were the front soldiers to equal right, and that is why, in the context of celebrating MLK's life, churches are not anything that Americans should fear.

[LWolf]

11. What you say is all true, and reasonable.

It's a personal thing; I think that presidents, and other politicians, could and should celebrate MLK day away from church. My personal interpretation of the establishment clause. ;)

It's not as if churches can't, and don't, celebrate without the presence of a politician.

That said, you make a good and courteous point.

[Clio the Leo]

12. And if the Great White founding fathers had allowed black Americans...

.... to legally congregate somewhere OTHER than church from the jump, you'd have a point.

[LWolf]

13. Actually, I have a point

regardless of what Great White founding fathers allowed, or didn't allow.

You can find it above if you're really concerned.

[xiamiam]

14. i got your point lwolf..at least the one about words versus actions

i love obamas oratory but i cant watch..not until he stops this insanity in afghanistan..until then..i'm not swayed..nor am i swayed by his charisma or photo ops..just words..i'll be the first to admit i can be moved by words...a few years back al gore delivered a speech on mlk day that may very well be one of his best.. passionate...and true

i wish i could watch and believe..

[LWolf]

20. Glad to see that someone did. nt

[NYC_SKP]

16. This one? "Martin Luther King, Day of Service"? (youtube)

Three parts.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoUeXOYc_R0

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yvtOg76j54

Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqx_Vdr30dg

:shrug:

[NYC_SKP]

17. Ooh, Ooh, much better YouTube of the speech in HD, one part!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpMEf4wZcEM

:applause:

[cherokeeprogressive]

19. I no longer watch "The Talk". I'm MUCH more interested in "The Walk".

Talk is fine. Talk is good. Talk is grist for the mill.

"The Walk", however, is a measure of what you CAN do, rather than what you SAY you can do.

President Obama talks a good game.

I used to PROMISE my parents that my grades would be better next quarter. I've PROMISED cops that I wouldn't speed again if they just let me go THIS time. I PROMISED my Great Grandfather once that I'd NEVER shoot his prize bull in the balls again if he'd JUST LET ME KEEP MY BB GUN.

My grades never got better. I drive ten nine miles over the speed limit as a rule, unless I'm in a residential area. And, I used to shoot that bull in the balls any time my Great Grandpa wasn't around, and the bull's balls were accessible to my BB gun. (If you've never seen a Black Angus bull stand on it's hind legs, you haven't lived)...

I'm sorry, I'm not impressed by a speechifier who first looks at the teleprompter on the left, then the teleprompter on the right, then the teleprompter on the left, and then the teleprompter on the right...

Make no mistake, I could be WOWED by anyone who said BOO, and then made BOO happen, but I'm not seeing it at the moment. There are three more years to be WOWED though, so I'M NOT GIVING UP HOPE.

Just not feeling it at the moment.

[impik]

21. Here's a link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpMEf4wZcEM

Watch it.

[ShortnFiery]

22. No, at this point, I'd MUCH prefer actions: Get our combat troops out of the ME now! eom